Around Baseball 2015

[GD]

I would give Grienke a 3 year deal with an opt out after the first.

 

Have fun with that

[Atothe]

Have fun with that

 

I will dream beautiful. I really don't understand why teams don't embrace opt outs. Give a guy two or three opt outs within one contract.

[dineke]

I would do Snider + Drabek for Greinkie

[GD]

I would do Snider + Drabek for Greinkie

 

Some men just want to watch the world burn

[TwistedLogic]

I think Greinke gets a lot of money, honestly, he had that earned run streak. What would it even take, 6/180?

 

He would have to shatter every precedent to make that kind of money. I know that he's a lot better than Lester, but Lester was also coming off a season very similar to the one Greinke is having, and Greinke is going to be 1.5 years older than he was. I think last year's free agent market tells us a good deal about what front offices are beginning to think about aging pitchers.

 

Greinke is a lot better than Lester, but the better production can be somewhat offset by the more advanced age, and a much bigger pool of very good alternative pitching targets.

 

He'll be opting out of a 71/3 deal when he hits the market this year, and I believe that it isn't out of the realm of possibility that you might be able to get him for something like 160/6. If that's anywhere near the mark, I very much like him as a target at that price.

 

I would give Grienke a 3 year deal with an opt out after the first.

 

I don't think there's any way Greinke is settling for a 3 year deal. This is the payday for him, and he's going to get as much as the highest bidder is willing to pay.

[GD]

He would have to shatter every precedent to make that kind of money. I know that he's a lot better than Lester, but Lester was also coming off a season very similar to the one Greinke is having, and Greinke is going to be 1.5 years older than he was. I think last year's free agent market tells us a good deal about what front offices are beginning to think about aging pitchers.

 

Greinke is a lot better than Lester, but the better production can be somewhat offset by the more advanced age, and a much bigger pool of very good alternative pitching targets.

 

He'll be opting out of a 71/3 deal when he hits the market this year, and I believe that it isn't out of the realm of possibility that you might be able to get him for something like 160/6. If that's anywhere near the mark, I very much like him as a target at that price.

 

The key difference between those two is that before Lester's awesome contract year, he was more of a 90ish xFIP- guy. His previous 3 years before the signing of his contract are 82, 98, 92. Very good, but Greinke's are 82, 74, 91. Lester posted SIERA's of 3.09, 3.90, and 4.01, whereas Greinke has posted 3.18, 2.87, and 3.60. They both had sick contract years, but Greinke was a much better pitcher than Lester was in the previous two years beforehand (3 years total being the useful, predictive years, hence the focus on 3 years). 1.5 years probably doesn't make a difference at this point. I think 170/6 is a good in between here, that'd be a contract to think on.

 

I wonder how the bigger pool of FA targets is going to work. Maybe we'll see some slight compression due to lack of bidding wars. If a team doesn't like a $$$ figure on a guy, there are probably like 4 other guys similar to him to go bid on instead.

[TwistedLogic]

The key difference between those two is that before Lester's awesome contract year, he was more of a 90ish xFIP- guy. His previous 3 years before the signing of his contract are 82, 98, 92. Very good, but Greinke's are 82, 74, 91. Lester posted SIERA's of 3.09, 3.90, and 4.01, whereas Greinke has posted 3.18, 2.87, and 3.60. They both had sick contract years, but Greinke was a much better pitcher than Lester was in the previous two years beforehand (3 years total being the useful, predictive years, hence the focus on 3 years). 1.5 years probably doesn't make a difference at this point. I think 170/6 is a good in between here, that'd be a contract to think on.

 

I wonder how the bigger pool of FA targets is going to work. Maybe we'll see some slight compression due to lack of bidding wars. If a team doesn't like a $$$ figure on a guy, there are probably like 4 other guys similar to him to go bid on instead.

 

I know a lot of people expect the Dodgers to be in on Price, but I have a hard time seeing them considering anybody before they try and re-sign Greinke. I also think the Yankees are probably getting to that point where they say "f*** it" and get back into the FA market and pick up one of the bigger arms.

 

The 200M guys always tend to go to mystery teams, but if the Dodgers bring back Greinke, I can't see who'll pursue Price outside of the Yankees. The Cubs might make a run and then settle for somebody like Zimmermann, the Marlins will "make a run" and then settle for somebody like Vogelsong, the Nats, Tigers, White Sox and Red Sox probably won't be in, the Rangers just picked up Hamels and Darvish will be coming back, and many of the best playoff contenders right now are small-market teams. Who else is left? Angels? Mariners?

[Jimcanuck]

I know a lot of people expect the Dodgers to be in on Price, but I have a hard time seeing them considering anybody before they try and re-sign Greinke. I also think the Yankees are probably getting to that point where they say "f*** it" and get back into the FA market and pick up one of the bigger arms.

 

The 200M guys always tend to go to mystery teams, but if the Dodgers bring back Greinke, I can't see who'll pursue Price outside of the Yankees. The Cubs might make a run and then settle for somebody like Zimmermann, the Marlins will "make a run" and then settle for somebody like Vogelsong, the Nats, Tigers, White Sox and Red Sox probably won't be in, the Rangers just picked up Hamels and Darvish will be coming back, and many of the best playoff contenders right now are small-market teams. Who else is left? Angels? Mariners?

 

Red Sox

[Hipfan]

Yep, I'd put the early odds on Price going to Boston, as much as I hate to think about that.

[RealAccountant]

Rather have Votto and his contract than giving Price 200+ million. Walk machines usually age pretty well right?

 

No. Price is a hallof fame pitcher. Could be good for 5-6 years still.

[Followthelight]

WOW at that strike call.

[Swervin81]

thats what I meant, Yankees rotation is real good

 

As far as Severino goes, I'll admit he's the first Yankee prospect in a looong time that I actually legit think is worth the hype and will be great. Not overhyped bums like Joba, Kennedy, Montero, and soon to be Aaron Judge.

[jaysfan2014]

Unsurprisingly, Randy Wolf is getting lit up by the Rangers.

[thatoneguy]

As far as Severino goes, I'll admit he's the first Yankee prospect in a looong time that I actually legit think is worth the hype and will be great. Not overhyped bums like Joba, Kennedy, Montero, and soon to be Aaron Judge.

 

Betances.

[Boxcar]

Kennedy turned out pretty good.

[AA1]

Twins need to hurry up and f*** up Tillman.

 

Wish granted.

[Caper]

Unsurprisingly, Randy Wolf is getting lit up by the Rangers.

 

The line didn't look too bad?

[havok24]

With 2 outs and a runner on second, Buck Showalter decided to intentionally walk Eduardo Escobar to face Byron Buxton. Buxton promptly lines a run scoring single into LF to give the Twins the lead. Buck Showalter lol.

[Boxcar]

With 2 outs and a runner on second, Buck Showalter decided to intentionally walk Eduardo Escobar to face Byron Buxton. Buxton promptly lines a run scoring single into LF to give the Twins the lead. Buck Showalter lol.

 

Guy behind him must have been a worse hitter. No need for stats.

 

We should have a reverse lineup when facing the Orioles. Then we can trick Bucky into loading the bases for JD and Bautista

[Atothe]

Stats aren't a thing, its like the matrix

[TwistedLogic]

Beltre is the greatest of all time.

 

http://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam/2015/08/23/mlbtv_texdet_399127783_1200K.mp4

[Maahfaace]

Beltre is the greatest of all time.

 

http://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam/2015/08/23/mlbtv_texdet_399127783_1200K.mp4

 

Hes pure jokes

[intentional wok]

With 2 outs and a runner on second, Buck Showalter decided to intentionally walk Eduardo Escobar to face Byron Buxton. Buxton promptly lines a run scoring single into LF to give the Twins the lead. Buck Showalter lol.

 

Why does he do this? Didn't he get burned walking Eric Sogard to get to Marcus Semien a little while ago? What is even his rationale? Do the local reporters ask him?

[Spanky__99]

With 2 outs and a runner on second, Buck Showalter decided to intentionally walk Eduardo Escobar to face Byron Buxton. Buxton promptly lines a run scoring single into LF to give the Twins the lead. Buck Showalter lol.

 

Buck Showalter...Manager of the Year!

[Spanky__99]

Why does he do this? Didn't he get burned walking Eric Sogard to get to Marcus Semien a little while ago? What is even his rationale? Do the local reporters ask him?

 

He did it the following series to backfire.

[Spanky__99]

Jays have scored 5 or more runs in an inning...22 times this season, lol.

[Inklink]

Jays have scored 5 or more runs...22 times this season, lol.

 

In an inning, yeah?

[Spanky__99]

In an inning, yeah?

 

Yes, thanks.

[Stangstag]

Why does he do this? Didn't he get burned walking Eric Sogard to get to Marcus Semien a little while ago? What is even his rationale? Do the local reporters ask him?

 

Cuz he's dumn

[Atothe]

Cuz he's dumn

 

No other explanation needed. He's dumn