Around Baseball 2015

[Spanky__99]

I got a PM with some questions about my desire/ability to mod. No follow up yet.

 

I'd love you as a mod.

[Atothe]

The great adventures of Mike "the storm chaser" Trout

 

http://m.mlb.com/cutfour/2015/08/20/144306360/mike-trout-might-work-for-the-weather-channel

[NotThatGuy]

As a doctor, i find your ignorance disturbing.

 

As an alleged doctor, I find your unsubstantiated personal attack to be far more disturbing. If you have some knowledge to drop, drop it. If you don't, drop it. As I have friends who are pediatricians, and as one of my sons has been suspected of having mild ADHD, and has gone through much of the initial testing/diagnostics toward determining where/if he falls on the ADHD spectrum, and I've personally researched it extensively, out of parental concern, I'm always willing to hear more viewpoints and gather more information. But it has to be substantive.

[Atothe]

As an alleged doctor, I find your unsubstantiated personal attack to be far more disturbing. If you some knowledge to drop, drop it. If you don't, drop it. As I have friends who are pediatricians, and as one of my sons has been suspected of having mild ADHD, and I've researched it extensively, I'm always willing to hear more viewpoints. But that have to be substantive.

 

Moggs smh

[NotThatGuy]

Boxy ... it's a shame, but I'm not long for the board once again. I speak substantively on a topic, get personally, and baselessly insulted ... I don't respond in kind ... instead I take the high road and simply tell them not to attack me and to speak substantively ... and I'm given a warning by your favorite moderator (who welshed on a bet with me, because he's an upstanding citizen who should be moderating a board).

 

It's an insane asylum in here.

[Stangstag]

Because it's a mental disorder. And, as a member of society, it's a bit scary that the ADHD diagnosis is so prevalent, and increasing at a pretty alarming rate. Even though it's (usually) a comparatively benign mental disorder, and can often be controlled well by meds, it's still a mental disorder ... and if you have 10%+ and rising walking around with it, well ... that's alarming. Just as it would be if we had 10%+ of the population needing to take medication just to walk normally, and that number was rising by about 2-2.5% every 4-5 years. Either we have an issue with doctors not being able to properly diagnose the disorder, or we have doctors that aren't properly treating the disorder, or we have a serious issue with a large, increasing segment of the population needed drugs just to get through the day and act "normal." (or some combination thereof)

 

It's scary.

 

I'm of the opinion that ADD, ADHD, etc. is WAY over-diagnosed. Probably something like 10% of people on ADHD meds actually have the mental disorder. Do you know how easy it is to be diagnosed with ADHD? I could go to my local doctor and be diagnosed today if I wanted.

 

I strongly feel that ADHD is just a ways for parents to get their hyperactive kids on Ritalin so they aren't as hard to deal with. And the pharmaceutical companies are laughing all the way to the bank.

[Followthelight]

I'm of the opinion that ADD, ADHD, etc. is WAY over-diagnosed. Probably something like 10% of people on ADHD meds actually have the mental disorder. Do you know how easy it is to be diagnosed with ADHD? I could go to my local doctor and be diagnosed today if I wanted.

 

I strongly feel that ADHD is just a ways for parents to get their hyperactive kids on Ritalin so they aren't as hard to deal with. And the pharmaceutical companies are laughing all the way to the bank.

 

Yep there is a lot of this going on. Big money racket.

[NotThatGuy]

I'm of the opinion that ADD, ADHD, etc. is WAY over-diagnosed. Probably something like 10% of people on ADHD meds actually have the mental disorder. Do you know how easy it is to be diagnosed with ADHD? I could go to my local doctor and be diagnosed today if I wanted.

 

I strongly feel that ADHD is just a ways for parents to get their hyperactive kids on Ritalin so they aren't as hard to deal with. And the pharmaceutical companies are laughing all the way to the bank.

 

As a parent of a 7-year old who has had issues with hyperactivity and verbal defiance, which have been brought to our attention by preschool and elementary school teachers and specialists ... yes, I'm aware of how easy it is to get the diagnosis you want. Even though they start or end their assessments with "we're hesitant at this age to do anything ..." they always discuss things in a way that it's up to US to pursue further. Basically, we're driving the ship, and if we want him to be diagnosed ADHD and put on meds, we could have that done. And, well, we're using some of the top folks in their field, not your typical pediatricians. We have, instead, opted to handle things through our own parental behavior modification techniques, and they have worked fabulously. The kid's a sweetheart, a leader and smart as hell ... he's flourishing, and staying on task (for the most part), regardless of his overall interest level. Now, that's not to say that's the answer in all situations (or, even, many situations) - just indicating that the way the ADHD diagnosis is treated is, in our case, much different than you would see with a typical physical issue (where they rightfully don't give a blip about what you think is the right diagnosis and treatment, because it's their job to figure that out for you, and the child). I can only imagine what it's like when the kid is older, and they're no longer saddled by the "he might be too young for meds" line of reasoning. I do have older nieces and nephews who have conveyed to me that Ritalin and Adderall are pervasively used like caffeine in high schools and college - a boost to help you study for exams, by folks who don't need to take the meds daily to address a legitimate mental disorder.

[Stangstag]

As a parent of a 7-year old who has had issues with hyperactivity and verbal defiance, which have been brought to our attention by preschool and elementary school teachers and specialists ... yes, I'm aware of how easy it is to get the diagnosis you want. Even though they start or end their assessments with "we're hesitant at this age to do anything ..." they always discuss things in a way that it's up to US to pursue further. Basically, we're driving the ship, and if we want him to be diagnosed ADHD and put on meds, we could have that done. And, well, we're using some of the top folks in their field, not your typical pediatricians. We have, instead, opted to handle things through our own parental behavior modification techniques, and they have worked fabulously. The kid's a sweetheart, a leader and smart as hell ... he's flourishing, and staying on task (for the most part), regardless of his overall interest level. Now, that's not to say that's the answer in all situations (or, even, many situations) - just indicating that the way the ADHD diagnosis is treated is, in our case, much different than you would see with a typical physical issue (where they rightfully don't give a blip about what you think is the right diagnosis and treatment, because it's their job to figure that out for you, and the child). I can only imagine what it's like when the kid is older, and they're no longer saddled by the "he might be too young for meds" line of reasoning. I do have older nieces and nephews who have conveyed to me that Ritalin and Adderall are pervasively used like caffeine in high schools and college - a boost to help you study for exams, by folks who don't need to take the meds daily to address a legitimate mental disorder.

 

Good for you. There are so many parents who just dont give a s*** about their kids and want to shut them up Asap. So they put them on drugs.

 

The problem with ritalin/adderal is that the more you take it, the more you require (or think you require) the drug in order to function normally.

 

Most of the time, its the kid just acting out for attention.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

I got a PM with some questions about my desire/ability to mod. No follow up yet.

 

The BBBB " The Ban Hammer" campaign would like to say congrats to you, Deadpool !!!

 

Good luck, long live the Mod's !!!

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

It's the asthma inhaler thing all over, when I was a kid we actually went outside to play summer and winter, rain or snow!

 

When I played frigg you were lucky to even see one inhaler, as a coach for many years it was staggering how many of those things kids have today!

 

For instance my cousins parents got him a inhaler stating he could not walk a couple blocks without one do to lack of breathe!

But let's review

He was driven to school most his life.

Never played sports

They got him a mobile phone so he would answer the phone .

 

Oh and here's the kicker He was a Fat lazy kid!!!

Asthma my ass the kid was 100 pounds overweight and lazy!

 

Doctors make Rash decisions all the time!

[L54]

And, well, we're using some of the top folks in their field, not your typical pediatricians.

 

f*** you're cool

[KingKat]

Good for you. There are so many parents who just dont give a s*** about their kids and want to shut them up Asap. So they put them on drugs.

 

I don't think that's fair to parents who allow their kids to be put on meds. I think the vast majority are trying to do the right thing even when that might be the wrong choice.

[Boxcar]

I'm of the opinion that ADD, ADHD, etc. is WAY over-diagnosed. Probably something like 10% of people on ADHD meds actually have the mental disorder. Do you know how easy it is to be diagnosed with ADHD? I could go to my local doctor and be diagnosed today if I wanted.

 

I strongly feel that ADHD is just a ways for parents to get their hyperactive kids on Ritalin so they aren't as hard to deal with. And the pharmaceutical companies are laughing all the way to the bank.

 

I had to participate in a 5 hour testing session. You're lucky!

[Boxcar]

Boxy ... it's a shame, but I'm not long for the board once again. I speak substantively on a topic, get personally, and baselessly insulted ... I don't respond in kind ... instead I take the high road and simply tell them not to attack me and to speak substantively ... and I'm given a warning by your favorite moderator (who welshed on a bet with me, because he's an upstanding citizen who should be moderating a board).

 

It's an insane asylum in here.

 

Quite bizarre. I have no idea why certain dipshit posters remain popular and posters like yourself are pushed out. Seems like people are more accepting of RealAccountant which makes no sense to me since he was the reason this board was created in the first place.

[Molitor]

Quite bizarre. I have no idea why certain dipshit posters remain popular and posters like yourself are pushed out. Seems like people are more accepting of RealAccountant which makes no sense to me since he was the reason this board was created in the first place.

 

I agree. Moogy doesn't even register in the official dipshit rankings, has more to contribute than 95% of posters, and yet he is always PE#1 around here.

[Olerud363]

Because it's a mental disorder. And, as a member of society, it's a bit scary that the ADHD diagnosis is so prevalent, and increasing at a pretty alarming rate. Even though it's (usually) a comparatively benign mental disorder, and can often be controlled well by meds, it's still a mental disorder ... and if you have 10%+ and rising walking around with it, well ... that's alarming. Just as it would be if we had 10%+ of the population needing to take medication just to walk normally, and that number was rising by about 2-2.5% every 4-5 years. Either we have an issue with doctors not being able to properly diagnose the disorder, or we have doctors that aren't properly treating the disorder, or we have a serious issue with a large, increasing segment of the population needed drugs just to get through the day and act "normal." (or some combination thereof)

 

It's scary.

 

It is a combination of all three.

 

1. Doctor's get kickbacks from the pharmaceutical companies. They have incentive to diagnose and treat these disorders.

2. Modern diet has changed the populations gut microbiome which may actually have psychological effects, interactions between gut and brain are just beginning to be understood.

3. Over-prescription of drugs themselves (especially antibiotics) are changing the microbiome, which again may be having psychological effects.

[BigCecil]

I got a PM with some questions about my desire/ability to mod. No follow up yet.

 

You would be a good mod DP. Hope they add the guys soon.

[Governator]

It's the asthma inhaler thing all over, when I was a kid we actually went outside to play summer and winter, rain or snow!

 

When I played frigg you were lucky to even see one inhaler, as a coach for many years it was staggering how many of those things kids have today!

 

For instance my cousins parents got him a inhaler stating he could not walk a couple blocks without one do to lack of breathe!

But let's review

He was driven to school most his life.

Never played sports

They got him a mobile phone so he would answer the phone .

 

Oh and here's the kicker He was a Fat lazy kid!!!

Asthma my ass the kid was 100 pounds overweight and lazy!

 

Doctors make Rash decisions all the time!

 

 

I lived outside my entire childhood, I played baseball for 20+ years, I had severe asthma. Hospitalized 5 or 6 times when inhalers wouldn't stop the worst attacks. I don't see your point? Asthma is on the rise because doctors are too quick to make decisions? Okay doctor blue balls.

[Captain Adama]

I lived outside my entire childhood, I played baseball for 20+ years, I had severe asthma. Hospitalized 5 or 6 times when inhalers wouldn't stop the worst attacks. I don't see your point? Asthma is on the rise because doctors are too quick to make decisions? Okay doctor blue balls.

 

Wouldn't you rather over diagnose something like asthma instead of underdiagnosing it and them someone dies because they don't have access to meds?

 

I also have asthma and the thought of not having my own inhaler on me during an attack is a scary thought.

[Olerud363]

I agree. Moogy doesn't even register in the official dipshit rankings, has more to contribute than 95% of posters, and yet he is always PE#1 around here.

 

Moogy has a long history of getting very personal with people.... a few years ago I lost a job under dubious circumstances (someone was mismarketing a product I was involved with, I stood up to it, and was quickly disapeared)...

 

Sad sob story, I brought it up once in the context of some thread, then Moogy called me out. I had no problem with this at all. By all means maybe I'm bullshitting, maybe I'm lazy and incompetent, Moogy attacked me, perfectly fine, no one should take my word on something like that.

 

What was a problem is that he kept bringing it up in totally unrelated threads, just to get me going... his replies to me always ended with stuff like "tell us again how you lost a job because you were honest??"

 

He's done this to other people, just bringing up mean spirited crap again and again.

 

That being said (so far) his comments on ADHD seem reasonable.

[LTR]

Moogy has a long history of getting very personal with people.... a few years ago I lost a job under dubious circumstances (someone was mismarketing a product I was involved with, I stood up to it, and was quickly disapeared)...

 

Sad sob story, I brought it up once in the context of some thread, then Moogy called me out. I had no problem with this at all. By all means maybe I'm bullshitting, maybe I'm lazy and incompetent, Moogy attacked me, perfectly fine, no one should take my word on something like that.

 

What was a problem is that he kept bringing it up in totally unrelated threads, just to get me going... his replies to me always ended with stuff like "tell us again how you lost a job because you were honest??"

 

He's done this to other people, just bringing up mean spirited crap again and again.

 

That being said (so far) his comments on ADHD seem reasonable.

 

It's all good - I remind him how he cheats on his wife all the time. #ClassAct

[Governator]

Wouldn't you rather over diagnose something like asthma instead of underdiagnosing it and them someone dies because they don't have access to meds?

 

I also have asthma and the thought of not having my own inhaler on me during an attack is a scary thought.

 

Yes, just like my wife has an epipen now even though she has no known allergy that can kill her other than that time her throat swelled nearly shut with a gap about the diameter of a pencil. Having an inhaler as a backup should be in more homes imo, it could even save someone's life from my experience.

 

Be thankful how far we have come in our knowledge of medicine & mental health since the 1980s. I have a son on the autism spectrum, I am thankful for the diagnosis that stemmed from early intervention that 20 years ago would have been swept under the rug by our doctor. Along with therapy and volunteers he behaves great in a regular classroom with supports. He's not medicated although his anxieties are extreme. Will medication help him one day? Possibly, though I will continue to try every therapy under the sun before it comes to that.

[BTS]

Quite bizarre. I have no idea why certain dipshit posters remain popular and posters like yourself are pushed out. Seems like people are more accepting of RealAccountant which makes no sense to me since he was the reason this board was created in the first place.

 

Honestly, it's because he's not very nice. The world is full of very smart people that other people just don't like.

[Nightmaul]

Honestly, it's because he's not very nice. The world is full of very smart people that other people just don't like.

 

No, it's because he's the most desperate troll this board has ever seen. Some people seem to appreciate his trolling because he tries so damn hard. That's my 2 cents anyway.

[Stangstag]

Yes, just like my wife has an epipen now even though she has no known allergy that can kill her other than that time her throat swelled nearly shut with a gap about the diameter of a pencil. Having an inhaler as a backup should be in more homes imo, it could even save someone's life from my experience.

 

Be thankful how far we have come in our knowledge of medicine & mental health since the 1980s. I have a son on the autism spectrum, I am thankful for the diagnosis that stemmed from early intervention that 20 years ago would have been swept under the rug by our doctor. Along with therapy and volunteers he behaves great in a regular classroom with supports. He's not medicated although his anxieties are extreme. Will medication help him one day? Possibly, though I will continue to try every therapy under the sun before it comes to that.

 

That is an excellent attitude to have. My point about the over-diagnosis of ADD/ADHD is that alot of parents hear that their child MIGHT have a problem, and they jump at the first chance to have their child on ADHD meds.

 

I believe that parents should have the same view as you do, but that is sadly not the case with the majority of ADHD cases.

[Olerud363]

No, it's because he's the most desperate troll this board has ever seen. Some people seem to appreciate his trolling because he tries so damn hard. That's my 2 cents anyway.

 

He's intelligent, but mean, and his viewpoint is whatever viewpoint will get a rise out of someone else, the very definition of troll.

 

In one post on this thread he mentions that it is a serious problem that so many are being diagnosed and treated for ADD/ADHD and even speculates it may be a problem with the doctors/drugs (cough big pharm cough)

 

Yet in another thread he'll go on and on about how the biomed industry is pristine...

[HERPDERP]

back to baseball

 

entertaining read on the nastiness of Sale

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13476677/facing-chris-sale-chicago-white-sox-complete-nightmare

[Brownie19]

back to baseball

 

entertaining read on the nastiness of Sale

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13476677/facing-chris-sale-chicago-white-sox-complete-nightmare

 

Is an article really necessary? Maybe they should write an article about how Trout's a good player too...

[NotThatGuy]

Moogy has a long history of getting very personal with people.... a few years ago I lost a job under dubious circumstances (someone was mismarketing a product I was involved with, I stood up to it, and was quickly disapeared)...

 

Sad sob story, I brought it up once in the context of some thread, then Moogy called me out. I had no problem with this at all. By all means maybe I'm bullshitting, maybe I'm lazy and incompetent, Moogy attacked me, perfectly fine, no one should take my word on something like that.

 

What was a problem is that he kept bringing it up in totally unrelated threads, just to get me going... his replies to me always ended with stuff like "tell us again how you lost a job because you were honest??"

 

He's done this to other people, just bringing up mean spirited crap again and again.

 

That being said (so far) his comments on ADHD seem reasonable.

 

An initial encounter occurred when I defended Wilner's writing style, but criticized his substance, whilst defending JFaS's substance, but criticizing his writing style (this was in a thread which was just an excuse for all to bash the hell out of Wilner for any and no reason at all - under the cover of a discussion of the Dickey Effect).

 

Down the rabbit hole we went ... although a lot of my posts were deleted when I was banned, I can tell/remember that within the thread GeorgiaPeach disparaged the casual fan (as in, completely attacked them in a ridiculous manner), I simply said they were necessary, and the source of eventual diehard fandom which all keeps the MLB motor running, and we should support casual fans, and educate them, as necessary. He wanted nothing to do with them, and I pointed out his past history of denying the Holocaust, wanting to gas the mentally retarded and other fun stuff he's said through the years, as evidence that maybe he's not the best judge of what we should and should not be doing/thinking. He responded by saying I care too much about the "weak and unfortunate." To help him see the errors of his crazy ways, I created a scenario where, as a security guard, he'd perhaps be considered "weak and unfortunate" in comparison to someone like me (a lawyer, an investments exec, etc.), and that I would care about him, as well, even though he was "weak and unfortunate." I was giving him context. Essentially, I was being the good guy, defending others ... and trying to convince a not so nice guy to change his views.

 

At that point Olerud stepped in and took my commentary re security guard and attorney/exec as an opportunity to make a stand about not liking "suits." He completely missed the point of what I was doing, and drove the discussion on yet another crazy tangent. He was rightfully mocked for bashing me, and suits, based off him not understanding what was happening, nor understanding an Anchorman reference (and thinking I was actually making a claim I wasn't making). Eventually, in one of his rambling hypothetical conversations for which he's infamous, he stated that I was making sexual comments to a young girl (about her mom). When I called him on that, because that's simply not acceptable to me ... I got banned.

 

No s***. That really happened. I stood up to a Holocaust-denier who belittled those who didn't think like him (e.g. a casual fan) and wanted to see the mentally-challenged being gassed, and was vilified for it. Then, a completely wrong-minded guy stepped in to fight (and he never even stopped after realizing he completely misunderstood what was going on), and I got banned for taking him to task for stating that I would make sexual comments to a little girl.

 

And everyone rejoiced. THAT was the start of my and Olerud's relationship.

 

See, Olerud brings up the fact that I took him to task over getting canned ... but that's not the whole story. I would never just go after someone for being fired, simply because they were fired. I don't remember the issue there, but he was using that claim (that he was wrongfully terminated from his employment), to support another dubious claim. I corrected him, and when he wouldn't relent, I used it for effect, but for a greater purpose. Not at all dissimilar for when I "mocked" GeorgiaPeach for his profession - not because I'm actually mocking his profession, but because I'm using that to provide context for that gentleman to understand a point - that being a small-minded, bigoted ahole isn't cool.

 

So, when Olerud wonders why someone like me could be so cold-hearted as to continually bring up this personal stuff, he needs to consider that it's almost always to make a larger point (like when he's in the middle of one of his rambling hypotheticals wherein he lies and exaggerates to support a dubious claim, and I want him to understand that we don't believe him), and that, perhaps, maybe it's also spurred on by the fact that in one of those rambling hypotheticals, he (inadvertently or not), painted me as someone who would make sexual comments about their mom to a little girl, and he never owned up to it, nor apologized ... but has continued, for quite some time, rambling on about his paranoid delusions about "suits," instead ... typically interjecting these things as a dig on me, and often when he's not even invited to the conversation (he's simply an interloper, looking for a cheap dig).

 

Olerud, unfortunately, it was YOU who got very personal with me. And when called on it, you actually are now playing the victim.