Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 A lot of really stupid people love GoT. It's not hard to understand. If you wanna pretend it has a deeper meaning, that is perfectly acceptable. K bro
jays_fever Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 I found the first two seasons of GOT entertaining, the acting and story line were a plus IMO. Im not sure how you can label it a complicated show though. Just because there's multiple story lines taking place doesn't mean you really have to pay close attention or else you'll be lost
intentional wok Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 What's deep about it? It doesn't challenge your perspective on anything. It doesn't make you reconsider your position on good vs. evil. It's epic scale fantasy with lots of shocking blood and gore. If there's a twist of any kind, spoiler alert, someone dies. How deep is a show that strictly kills people off to create entertainment value? I watch it and it's enjoyable but it doesn't come close to Breaking Bad or the Wire. I haven't seen GoT but I certainly plan to. Hopefully before the new season starts. Although I haven't really seen many compelling reasons for what makes it so good. Characters dying by the truckload isn't inherently a good thing, but it's kind of the only thing I ever hear/read about. As for the The Wire - the idea of something being Objectively The Best doesn't actually exist, but The Wire is as close as a series has come to convince me otherwise. For anyone arguing over what is and isn't "deep" (whatever that means; please define), watch The Wire. Anyone who watches that show and doesn't come out of it with their outlook on politics and poverty changed even slightly then they're asleep or without a brain. If that's not enough, it's a fine, fine drama to boot. Some of the most tragic scenarios and heartbreaking moments I've ever seen. Box, if you enjoy Breaking Bad you might also dig The Shield. Seven 13-ep seasons, ran from 2003-2009, and might have been every bit as good in a lot of the same ways Breaking Bad was. It is a serialized police procedural, though, so the flow of the show is much different. The finale, IMO, is the greatest thing ever produced for TV.
glory Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 That whisper Stoeten heard must have been the voices in his head.
jays4life19 Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Came into this thread looking to see what second basemen we're getting. Leaving this thread with a new show to watch. Excellent.
Deadpool Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Came into this thread looking to see what second basemen we're getting. Leaving this thread with a new show to watch. Excellent. Watch: Chuck, Clerks: The Animated Series, Avatar: The Last Airbender, The Legend of Korra, Doctor Who (I'll only link the new series, but the original series is awesome too...), Arrested Development, The Tick... Crap, a bunch of other shows... But here are some that should keep you occupied for ages... Edit: Stargate: SG-1, for my fellow nerds!
jaysblue Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 I really don't watch much on TV other than sports. I'll tune into shows like Gotham on a Monday night and watch the new episodes of South Park though thats about it. I'll also watch Curb when they air the new season and reruns of Seinfeld never get old. Other than that, I need to check out some of the good shows I've missed like True Detective, Breaking Bad etc.
intentional wok Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Edit: Stargate: SG-1, for my fellow nerds! Huge nerd here. Never got into the Stargates, but just because I never was able to sit and watch it. My heart is still with Star Trek. Deep Space Nine is still my benchmark space-faring sci-fi show, an honour it held until I saw the first two seasons of Battlestar Galactica and then regained after BSG slipped on a banana peel in its last two years. I recently watched DS9 for the first time in a decade or so. Outside of the fact that it still comes with the hiccups of some 90s network TV, it is surprisingly excellent. If the Star Trek name puts you off, I should say that the show's overall flow is not unlike a modern show with long, intertwining storylines. It's episodic, but it's not like the characters arrive at the planet of the week, solve the problem, and then fly away, which most Star Trek is like.
jays4life19 Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Watch: Chuck, Clerks: The Animated Series, Avatar: The Last Airbender, The Legend of Korra, Doctor Who (I'll only link the new series, but the original series is awesome too...), Arrested Development, The Tick... Crap, a bunch of other shows... But here are some that should keep you occupied for ages... Edit: Stargate: SG-1, for my fellow nerds! Thanks! I'm going to check out GOT first. Looks like there's 4 seasons so that should keep me busy for quite a bit. Half way through the first episode...looks pretty cool so far.
Deadpool Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Huge nerd here. Never got into the Stargates, but just because I never was able to sit and watch it. My heart is still with Star Trek. Deep Space Nine is still my benchmark space-faring sci-fi show, an honour it held until I saw the first two seasons of Battlestar Galactica and then regained after BSG slipped on a banana peel in its last two years. I recently watched DS9 for the first time in a decade or so. Outside of the fact that it still comes with the hiccups of some 90s network TV, it is surprisingly excellent. If the Star Trek name puts you off, I should say that the show's overall flow is not unlike a modern show with long, intertwining storylines. It's episodic, but it's not like the characters arrive at the planet of the week, solve the problem, and then fly away, which most Star Trek is like. SG-1 and Atlantis are really, really excellent sci-fi shows. They're very tongue in cheek and self referential (the first episode of SG-1 featuring Richard Dean Anderson, who played MacGyver, used the term "MacGyvering", and then did a cut away to him for comedic effect). They're just very fun shows that any Sci-Fi nerd would love, given the chance. Also, DS9 is a very underrated Star Trek. It didn't hit its stride until they got the Defiant, and a lot of people had given up on the show by then... Great cast of characters... Garak was one of the better characters in the entire Star Trek series of shows... Thanks! I'm going to check out GOT first. Looks like there's 4 seasons so that should keep me busy for quite a bit. Half way through the first episode...looks pretty cool so far. Those are just some of my favourites, and all quality shows for anyone to watch... You can read the synopses and discover the genres yourself.. Also, here's a bonus fun show that most people have probably forgotten: The Adventures of Brisco County Jr.
Atothe Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 SG-1 and Atlantis are really, really excellent sci-fi shows. They're very tongue in cheek and self referential (the first episode of SG-1 featuring Richard Dean Anderson, who played MacGyver, used the term "MacGyvering", and then did a cut away to him for comedic effect). They're just very fun shows that any Sci-Fi nerd would love, given the chance. Also, DS9 is a very underrated Star Trek. It didn't hit its stride until they got the Defiant, and a lot of people had given up on the show by then... Great cast of characters... Garak was one of the better characters in the entire Star Trek series of shows... Those are just some of my favourites, and all quality shows for anyone to watch... You can read the synopses and discover the genres yourself.. Also, here's a bonus fun show that most people have probably forgotten: The Adventures of Brisco County Jr. you just went super geek, never go super geek
intentional wok Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Super geek is the only way to be.
Deadpool Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 you just went super geek, never go super geek That's literally how I live my life... My Message Board alias is one of the geekiest comic book characters... My entire career is based on the fact that I'm a computer geek... Man, I ALWAYS go super geek... Super geek is the only way to be. Yes.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 I haven't seen GoT but I certainly plan to. Hopefully before the new season starts. Although I haven't really seen many compelling reasons for what makes it so good. Characters dying by the truckload isn't inherently a good thing, but it's kind of the only thing I ever hear/read about. As for the The Wire - the idea of something being Objectively The Best doesn't actually exist, but The Wire is as close as a series has come to convince me otherwise. For anyone arguing over what is and isn't "deep" (whatever that means; please define), watch The Wire. Anyone who watches that show and doesn't come out of it with their outlook on politics and poverty changed even slightly then they're asleep or without a brain. If that's not enough, it's a fine, fine drama to boot. Some of the most tragic scenarios and heartbreaking moments I've ever seen. Box, if you enjoy Breaking Bad you might also dig The Shield. Seven 13-ep seasons, ran from 2003-2009, and might have been every bit as good in a lot of the same ways Breaking Bad was. It is a serialized police procedural, though, so the flow of the show is much different. The finale, IMO, is the greatest thing ever produced for TV. I'll try it out, thanks.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Holy f***... http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/209-The-TV-Show-Thread
TwistedLogic Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Lannisters = power hungry and evil. Boltons = power hungry and evil. Starks = good. Baratheons = power hungry and evil. Tyrells = mostly good. Every soldier/guard ever = sadistic ******* who enjoys rape. The Hound was probably the best character on that show as he allied with no one. I also enjoy Littlefinger and the small amount of time with Prince Oberyn. Tyrion and Jaime are two of the three most prominent Lannisters on the show and neither fit your "power hungry and evil" pigeonhole. Even Cersei is an incredibly deep character. I do agree though, the Hound and Oberyn were great and I think Littlefinger is f***ing brilliant. Probably the most well-constructed character in the TV series. Game of Thrones is a global-scale fantasy epic, it's hard for it to deliver the same deep reflection that a show like True Detective can, the same way that it is virtually impossible for True Detective to deliver the same scope and grandeur of a show like Game of Thrones. If you wanna talk about gratuitous violence and nudity, look at a show like Spartacus. GoT takes a flawed genre and does the best it can with it.
Atothe Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 True detective covered a topic about ritualistic sacrifices and child rape committed by the powerful and wealthy. How often does a show, any show for that fact cover such a taboo topic. That show was truly a gem.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Tyrion and Jaime are two of the three most prominent Lannisters on the show and neither fit your "power hungry and evil" pigeonhole. Even Cersei is an incredibly deep character. I do agree though, the Hound and Oberyn were great and I think Littlefinger is f***ing brilliant. Probably the most well-constructed character in the TV series. Game of Thrones is a global-scale fantasy epic, it's hard for it to deliver the same deep reflection that a show like True Detective can, the same way that it is virtually impossible for True Detective to deliver the same scope and grandeur of a show like Game of Thrones. If you wanna talk about gratuitous violence and nudity, look at a show like Spartacus. GoT takes a flawed genre and does the best it can with it. Ok, sorry, The Lannisters care only for themselves and will do whatever it takes to survive and thrive. That fits all of them, including Jaime who is not a good guy. Cersei isn't deep at all, she's very predictable and harsh. Not really particularly smart. I found her father much more interesting. Tyrion is also a lot deeper than Cersei. Cersei is just a cruel, self centred woman who does what she's told in order to get ahead.
jays4life19 Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Holy f***... http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/209-The-TV-Show-Thread Yeah. Mods please lock ^ TV thread. This thread is doing an excellent job in replacing it. Watched the first episode of GOT last night. About to watch #2.
jays76 Verified Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 (edited) Tyrion and Jaime are two of the three most prominent Lannisters on the show and neither fit your "power hungry and evil" pigeonhole. Even Cersei is an incredibly deep character. I do agree though, the Hound and Oberyn were great and I think Littlefinger is f***ing brilliant. Probably the most well-constructed character in the TV series. Game of Thrones is a global-scale fantasy epic, it's hard for it to deliver the same deep reflection that a show like True Detective can, the same way that it is virtually impossible for True Detective to deliver the same scope and grandeur of a show like Game of Thrones. If you wanna talk about gratuitous violence and nudity, look at a show like Spartacus. GoT takes a flawed genre and does the best it can with it. I agree both shows (GoT & TD) are as far apart from each other as can be but they are both uniquely magnificent. With TD I loved the complexity and depth of McConaughy's character, the frequent flashback sequences, the dark foreboding mood and brilliant writing however [spoiler Alert]: I did find the ending of season 1 a little anti climactic as I was hoping they were dealing with someone a little more clever and sinister than the inbred hick family led by Lennie a la Of Mice and Men. All in all though a pretty outstanding series! Game of Thrones is full of gratuitous violence and nudity similar to Spartacus but I agree with you the killings do serve more of a purpose here. It's not overly insightful or brimming full of depth that will blow your mind but it is definitely well written and clever. To have that many storylines tied together over such a broad scope is a feat in itself. The political power moves and alliances-betrayals that take place along with the definite character blurring as they flip flop between good and evil make it pretty intriguing. The fantasy element, extreme violence, and nudity just adds a bonus layer to it. The storyline sometimes changes at breakneck speed due to the multitude of characters which can be annoying but overall it's a great series and highly enjoyable! For my money Breaking Bad has been the best series over the last few years. Great mix of drama, comedy, violence, and absurdness. Brilliantly written as well with the complexity of the characters and also utilizing flashbacks a lot but I love how it got better and better each season, it honestly couldn't have ended any better than it did with the 2 part series finale that were 1.5hrs each. Everything came full circle and it didn't leave you with too many loose ends however you still wanted more. Perfection! Edited December 28, 2014 by jays76
eastcoastjaysfan Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Best comedy on TV right now: http://stuffpoint.com/its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia/image/298079-its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia.jpg
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Ok, sorry, The Lannisters care only for themselves and will do whatever it takes to survive and thrive. That fits all of them, including Jaime who is not a good guy. Cersei isn't deep at all, she's very predictable and harsh. Not really particularly smart. I found her father much more interesting. Tyrion is also a lot deeper than Cersei. Cersei is just a cruel, self centred woman who does what she's told in order to get ahead. Wrong again. Jaime for example, he sacrificed his honor by killing the king, in order to save the people of King's landing and put his family (not including himself since he's a Kingsguard) in a position of power. Cersei is motivated by her children. Her only goal is to keep them safe, but she goes way overboard to the point where she is a crazy bitch about it. And for the record I would say Jaime Lannister IS overall a good guy. And Tyrion is obviously good too.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Wrong again. Jaime for example, he sacrificed his honor by killing the king, in order to save the people of King's landing and put his family (not including himself since he's a Kingsguard) in a position of power. Cersei is motivated by her children. Her only goal is to keep them safe, but she goes way overboard to the point where she is a crazy bitch about it. And for the record I would say Jaime Lannister IS overall a good guy. And Tyrion is obviously good too. Is that why he killed his cousin who openly fawned over him just to create a distraction? Get real. Lannisters care about Lannisters. You didn't really refute that, so how am I wrong?
Nox Verified Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Best comedy on TV right now: I like It's Always Sunny alot but I'd take Curb. Whether it's "on TV" still is debatable though I suppose.
Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 WTF is this s*** I keep coming in here to check for news on Toritani and see this crap instead TV junkies go elsewhere pls
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Is that why he killed his cousin who openly fawned over him just to create a distraction? Get real. Lannisters care about Lannisters. You didn't really refute that, so how am I wrong? Yeah you're right about that. That didn't happen in the book, and its one of the times that the show has misstepped. What about the times Jaime saved Brienne? Tyrion is a Lannister and the only family he cares for and only lannister that cares for him, is Jaime. You're really understating the show. Its alot deeper than you're giving it credit for.
jays76 Verified Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Wrong again. Jaime for example, he sacrificed his honor by killing the king, in order to save the people of King's landing and put his family (not including himself since he's a Kingsguard) in a position of power. Cersei is motivated by her children. Her only goal is to keep them safe, but she goes way overboard to the point where she is a crazy bitch about it. And for the record I would say Jaime Lannister IS overall a good guy. And Tyrion is obviously good too. In regards to Jaime & Tyrion I'd say it's extremely blurred as they can both be extremely evil and self absorbed at times. I mean Jaime's banging his own sister and pushed a little boy out of a tower to try to conceal it, along with committing a sacrificial murder while imprisoned to create a distraction. Tyrion murdered his lover and father because they hurt and betrayed him plus he's constantly plotting and self obsessing. They aren't exactly honorable or what you could say are good guys..
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 In regards to Jaime & Tyrion I'd say it's extremely blurred as they can both be extremely evil and self absorbed at times. I mean Jaime's banging his own sister and pushed a little boy out of a tower to try to conceal it, along with committing a sacrificial murder while imprisoned to create a distraction. Tyrion murdered his lover and father because they hurt and betrayed him plus he's constantly plotting and self obsessing. They aren't exactly honorable or what you could say are good guys.. Yeah that's exactly the point. They aren't really "good" or "evil". And almost all of the characters on the show are like that.
labadee Verified Member Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 FFS stop bumping this threat with TV show s***. Go to the f***ing off-topic thread
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