Blue Jays seeking replacement for Beeston

[ElNik2013]

I said since the beginning this had the look of the lead-up to the Dickey trade when so many where ridiculing the rumours coming out that D'Arnaud and Syndergaard would be involved.

 

 

Maybe Rogers has already agreed on Hoffman, but Baltimore is holding out for AA as a throw-in so they don't have to search for a new GM. Then Angelos and AA could eat souvlaki all the time together.

[Angrioter]

Doble steal.

DD Jays president, AA O's GM.

 

Ed Rogers is a piece of s***.

[saskjayfan]

You mean protesting outside Camden Yards? Hoffman is 22 hasn't pitched in the minors yet. Might not pitch in the minors this year. Doesn't have impressive college numbers. Wasn't drafted out of high school. Keith Law says he isn't a top 100 prospect. Hoffman is damaged goods without anything to back up his high draft pick other than he throws hard. And that was pre-surgery. The number of pitchers who are busts with Hoffman' profile are quite high.

 

You aren't going to get DD with someone like Hoffman. Maybe if he is a throw in to a quality major leaguer or a can't miss prospect.

 

Anyway the Blue Jays are an embarrassment. I can tell you people around baseball are upset about the way they are handling the situation from the tampering to letting Beeston and AA dangle in the wind.

 

I am guessing if the Orioles hadn't got a court order for the new commissioners emails and Beeston hadn't opposed him none of this would be allowed to be going on. I would suspect the rest of the owners are going to get upset if this continues. No one wants other teams poaching their GM's under contract.

 

And who is brokering this deal for DD? None of the baseball people could be doing it if it is a success they are out of jobs.

 

You're a funny duck and you're going to be disappointed. Jim Duquette said there's no way the Jays trade Hoffman for Duquette. Hoffman was a top 3 overall pick before he got hurt. He slid to 11 which is still a top pick. He absolutely will pitch in the minors this year. He won't be high on some prospect lists until he starts pitching.

 

You and the orioles fans are whipped up into a frenzy and that weams dude, who you might be, is going to have a heart attack when the Jays get Duquette for a lower prospect or if the Jays just walk away from Duquette.

[King]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/23/is-dan-duquette-worth-the-toronto-blue-jays-giving-up-top-draft-pick-jeff-hoffman/

 

"If Duquette should break his contract for a trip north, a good prospect – not a Hoffman, but a player with robust major-league potential – should go to the Orioles. And perhaps a second player too. MLB should send a message that a team seeking to snatch a rival GM is not entitled to bargain-basement prices."

 

Lotts article on the situation. He must be getting paid by the Orioles.

[Deadpool]

You mean protesting outside Camden Yards? Hoffman is 22 hasn't pitched in the minors yet. Might not pitch in the minors this year. Doesn't have impressive college numbers. Wasn't drafted out of high school. Keith Law says he isn't a top 100 prospect. Hoffman is damaged goods without anything to back up his high draft pick other than he throws hard. And that was pre-surgery. The number of pitchers who are busts with Hoffman' profile are quite high.

 

You aren't going to get DD with someone like Hoffman. Maybe if he is a throw in to a quality major leaguer or a can't miss prospect.

 

Anyway the Blue Jays are an embarrassment. I can tell you people around baseball are upset about the way they are handling the situation from the tampering to letting Beeston and AA dangle in the wind.

 

I am guessing if the Orioles hadn't got a court order for the new commissioners emails and Beeston hadn't opposed him none of this would be allowed to be going on. I would suspect the rest of the owners are going to get upset if this continues. No one wants other teams poaching their GM's under contract.

 

And who is brokering this deal for DD? None of the baseball people could be doing it if it is a success they are out of jobs.

 

http://www.troll.me/images/futurama-fry/not-sure-if-trolling-or-just-stupid.jpg

 

It really is tough to tell when the source came from orioles hangout...

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/23/is-dan-duquette-worth-the-toronto-blue-jays-giving-up-top-draft-pick-jeff-hoffman/

 

"If Duquette should break his contract for a trip north, a good prospect – not a Hoffman, but a player with robust major-league potential – should go to the Orioles. And perhaps a second player too. MLB should send a message that a team seeking to snatch a rival GM is not entitled to bargain-basement prices."

 

Lotts article on the situation. He must be getting paid by the Orioles.

 

Lott can go f*** himself. D.J. Davis is the absolute best the O's should hope to get outta this. And frankly, not even that. My vote? Send them Rafael Cova, because he's 32, is on the Fisher Cats roster, and I've never f***ing heard of him.

[flafson]

I still can't believe we drafted D.J Davis, he's like a worse version of Gose.

 

What's even weirder, we messed up that pick and still managed to get Stroman with the next pick.

[metafour]

I still can't believe we drafted D.J Davis, he's like a worse version of Gose.

 

What's even weirder, we messed up that pick and still managed to get Stroman with the next pick.

 

Why can't you believe it? We gambled on a premium athlete with a lot of inexperience and it didn't pan out, it happens every year. I will point out that D.J. Davis was an under-slot signing which opened up a lot of versatility for our draft that year; namely being able to draft and sign Matt Smoral in the comp round for a well over-slot bonus.

[baloojayz]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/23/is-dan-duquette-worth-the-toronto-blue-jays-giving-up-top-draft-pick-jeff-hoffman/

 

"If Duquette should break his contract for a trip north, a good prospect – not a Hoffman, but a player with robust major-league potential – should go to the Orioles. And perhaps a second player too. MLB should send a message that a team seeking to snatch a rival GM is not entitled to bargain-basement prices."

 

Lotts article on the situation. He must be getting paid by the Orioles.

 

Seems everyone on this board is failing to see this from the perspective of the Orioles.

Sure at first it's easy to see Angelos' wrinkled ass as the villain, but why are we expecting to steal a rival GM like it's no big deal. The off season esp. around winter meetings is when they do the bulk of their work and for some reason it seemed like the perfect timing for us to try to give poor old DD a promotion?? He's under contract ffs. If a pitcher under contract on the BJays randomly decided they wanted to move to the NL b/c the AL was affecting their #'s and therefore the BJays were standing in the way of their personal progression would you think the BJays were being selfish for not letting them go?

 

For some reason it seems OK that we are pursuing DD cuz he's being promoted. Who the hell cares? If anything it would sting MORE. If Farrell was poached to be the assistant GM of the Redsox instead of head coach the move would seem a lot more like the Redsox were just leaving us without a coach than them actually trying to fill a "managerial vacancy".

 

What makes this even worse is there is no real indication that DD is THE guy for the job. Because of this, BJays fans don't want to part with any non-scrub player and the idea of parting with Hoffman is so laughable.

 

Given the importance of DD to the Orioles, the s***** timing by Rogers, and the sleazy way they went about it, it isn't unreasonable for Angelos to put a premium on the compensation going back.

 

We should just stop trolling the crap out of the Orioles fanbase and just give up.

[Laika]

Just in case you need proof that Ed Rogers is fumbling idiot:

 

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/23/the-inside-story-on-how-rogers-tried-to-replace-blue-jays-president-paul-beeston

[ElNik2013]

Just in case you need proof that Ed Rogers is fumbling idiot:

 

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/23/the-inside-story-on-how-rogers-tried-to-replace-blue-jays-president-paul-beeston

 

 

 

 

I read this earlier today. It just confirms the fear I had since the beginning of this nonsense that the Jays would either overpay to get DD or walk away looking like idiots.

 

The latter part of this is now a sure thing, we'll see if the former comes to fruition.

[King]

Seems everyone on this board is failing to see this from the perspective of the Orioles.

Sure at first it's easy to see Angelos' wrinkled ass as the villain, but why are we expecting to steal a rival GM like it's no big deal. The off season esp. around winter meetings is when they do the bulk of their work and for some reason it seemed like the perfect timing for us to try to give poor old DD a promotion?? He's under contract ffs. If a pitcher under contract on the BJays randomly decided they wanted to move to the NL b/c the AL was affecting their #'s and therefore the BJays were standing in the way of their personal progression would you think the BJays were being selfish for not letting them go?

 

For some reason it seems OK that we are pursuing DD cuz he's being promoted. Who the hell cares? If anything it would sting MORE. If Farrell was poached to be the assistant GM of the Redsox instead of head coach the move would seem a lot more like the Redsox were just leaving us without a coach than them actually trying to fill a "managerial vacancy".

 

What makes this even worse is there is no real indication that DD is THE guy for the job. Because of this, BJays fans don't want to part with any non-scrub player and the idea of parting with Hoffman is so laughable.

 

Given the importance of DD to the Orioles, the s***** timing by Rogers, and the sleazy way they went about it, it isn't unreasonable for Angelos to put a premium on the compensation going back.

 

We should just stop trolling the crap out of the Orioles fanbase and just give up.

 

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[Orioles]

Seems everyone on this board is failing to see this from the perspective of the Orioles.

Sure at first it's easy to see Angelos' wrinkled ass as the villain, but why are we expecting to steal a rival GM like it's no big deal. The off season esp. around winter meetings is when they do the bulk of their work and for some reason it seemed like the perfect timing for us to try to give poor old DD a promotion?? He's under contract ffs. If a pitcher under contract on the BJays randomly decided they wanted to move to the NL b/c the AL was affecting their #'s and therefore the BJays were standing in the way of their personal progression would you think the BJays were being selfish for not letting them go?

 

For some reason it seems OK that we are pursuing DD cuz he's being promoted. Who the hell cares? If anything it would sting MORE. If Farrell was poached to be the assistant GM of the Redsox instead of head coach the move would seem a lot more like the Redsox were just leaving us without a coach than them actually trying to fill a "managerial vacancy".

 

What makes this even worse is there is no real indication that DD is THE guy for the job. Because of this, BJays fans don't want to part with any non-scrub player and the idea of parting with Hoffman is so laughable.

 

Given the importance of DD to the Orioles, the s***** timing by Rogers, and the sleazy way they went about it, it isn't unreasonable for Angelos to put a premium on the compensation going back.

 

We should just stop trolling the crap out of the Orioles fanbase and just give up.

 

Well said.

[Deadpool]

Seems everyone on this board is failing to see this from the perspective of the Orioles.

Sure at first it's easy to see Angelos' wrinkled ass as the villain, but why are we expecting to steal a rival GM like it's no big deal. The off season esp. around winter meetings is when they do the bulk of their work and for some reason it seemed like the perfect timing for us to try to give poor old DD a promotion?? He's under contract ffs. If a pitcher under contract on the BJays randomly decided they wanted to move to the NL b/c the AL was affecting their #'s and therefore the BJays were standing in the way of their personal progression would you think the BJays were being selfish for not letting them go?

 

For some reason it seems OK that we are pursuing DD cuz he's being promoted. Who the hell cares? If anything it would sting MORE. If Farrell was poached to be the assistant GM of the Redsox instead of head coach the move would seem a lot more like the Redsox were just leaving us without a coach than them actually trying to fill a "managerial vacancy".

 

What makes this even worse is there is no real indication that DD is THE guy for the job. Because of this, BJays fans don't want to part with any non-scrub player and the idea of parting with Hoffman is so laughable.

 

Given the importance of DD to the Orioles, the s***** timing by Rogers, and the sleazy way they went about it, it isn't unreasonable for Angelos to put a premium on the compensation going back.

 

We should just stop trolling the crap out of the Orioles fanbase and just give up.

 

This is simply not a valid comparison. Seriously man, the only even slightly valid comparison using players would be a guy who is stuck in the minors asking his team to let him sign with a Japanese/Korean team. That happens, but for limited compensation.

 

DD would be getting a promotion, and it's just not cricket to stand in the way of someone getting a promotion.

[saskjayfan]

Just in case you need proof that Ed Rogers is fumbling idiot:

 

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/23/the-inside-story-on-how-rogers-tried-to-replace-blue-jays-president-paul-beeston

 

All the Toronto sports media not attached to Toronto the last few days has done nothing but outline how ridiculous a move for DD would be in exchange for a top prospect. The entire media world outside of Baltimore is re-iterating this fact. The dumb suits at Rogers know nothing of baseball. After taking a step back and reading for the 100th time how stupid they are being for entertaining these thoughts of trading a Hoffman for an executive, they will simply let it go and Beeston will retain his job for 2015.

 

The issue is that how is all this ******** effecting Alex' ability to conduct business. Maybe he's been put on lock and key and can't trade Navarro or sign a krod or even an axford to finish of what started out as a great offseason. This is just an all around bad situation.

[shortstop]

ugh, another bad mark on the jays organization...Ed Rogers is an idiot

 

ironically, it'll likely Beeston that cleans this up behind the scenes with mlb/orioles/white sox/rest of baseball

 

say what one will about Beeston (I think it's time he goes), classless way to treat him

[Orioles]

I wouldn't trust the idiot that's in charge of your team now. Read this. LOLZ

 

http://www.melfortjournal.com/2015/01/23/the-inside-story-on-how-rogers-tried-to-replace-blue-jays-president-paul-beeston

 

 

 

Hey now.

[glory]

Rogers has made me sympathize with Paul Beeston.

 

That's a feat in itself.

[Orioles]

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Lj • 12 minutes ago

Roch, your article today makes it sound as though the Duquette matter is fait accompli. Is it? Not that I'm complaining. I agree that if DD goes we'll be fine. Just interested in the compensation at this point.

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Roch Kubatko Mod Lj • 4 minutes ago

Not definitely, but now I expect it to happen unless the Jays aren't worried about tampering charges and refuse to surrender the compensation that the Orioles want

 

 

http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2015/01/orioles-will-remain-in-good-hands.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[BTS]

I wouldn't trust the idiot that's in charge of your team now. Read this. LOLZ

 

http://www.melfortjournal.com/2015/01/23/the-inside-story-on-how-rogers-tried-to-replace-blue-jays-president-paul-beeston

 

Holy f***. That's embarrassing.

[Orioles]

Quick question here?

 

Tampering charges it's clear the Jays violated the rules here. What would be the punishment Huge fine cost you a couple first round picks? I say 2 cause you missed with White Sox and Orioles.

 

 

 

I think giving up Hoffman and ending the tampering charges would be the best for Jays.

[dineke]

So the team is run by a trust fund baby now? Oh boy, this franchise ain't going anywhere anytime soon...

[ElNik2013]

Let's be honest here, DD is not being pursued as a team president, he's being pursued to run the baseball dept. The title of team president would just be a way to pretend that it's a promotion.

 

 

The fact that they were interested in only 2 guys since the beginning and both of these guys are/were GM's tells us that they were looking to get rid of AA.

 

If I were AA, I'd consider resigning, I think he'd get a job somewhere else now with the off season he just had and the way he built, emptied and rebuilt the farm system in 5 years.

[flafson]

 

Reports indicate the steep price off Hoffman might be a lesser evil since the O’s could charge Rogers of tampering. Most tampering complaints are $100,000 to $500,000 fines … teams do not lose players.

[burlingtonbandit]

Say you what you want about Bob Eliott but that was a great article calling out the moron Ed Rogers. His writing style really tried to make Ed look like the buffoon that he is.

[BTS]

Yeah. AA can't be too happy about this. Dan Duquette is a GM. That's his background and skill set. He's going to want a say in how he roster is constructed, and as AA's boss his opinion will matter. AA loses a lot of autonomy if Duquette us brought in. Ed Rogers has managed to alienate his current President and current GM, piss off the White Sox and Orioles, and made the team look like a complete clown show in the media.

[burlingtonbandit]

Quick question here?

 

Tampering charges it's clear the Jays violated the rules here. What would be the punishment Huge fine cost you a couple first round picks? I say 2 cause you missed with White Sox and Orioles.

 

 

 

I think giving up Hoffman and ending the tampering charges would be the best for Jays.

 

lol nice try. Please just go back where you came from.

[ElNik2013]

This seems like a personal thing between this Ed Rogers guy and Beeston. I seem to remember AA thanking Beeston and the Rogers people (Guy Lawrence?) for helping in the courtship and ultimate signing of Russell Martin.

 

No surprise here though, I've always been skeptical of the head of this monster.

[xposbrad]

Unfortunately it seems highly unlikely Ed Rogers would ever be replaced as Chairman of the blue jays, even though he was made to look like a real idiot in this whole mess. Calling other owners and not even knowing who knows who in the baseball world. You would think he would take at least take 5 minutes to do some research before he started looking for a replacement but it looks like he just thought he could do it himself.

[ElNik2013]

Yeah. AA can't be too happy about this. Dan Duquette is a GM. That's his background and skill set. He's going to want a say in how he roster is constructed, and as AA's boss his opinion will matter. AA loses a lot of autonomy if Duquette us brought in. Ed Rogers has managed to alienate his current President and current GM, piss off the White Sox and Orioles, and made the team look like a complete clown show in the media.

 

 

 

Yeah, while so many here are concerned with trolling and laughing at some O's forum, they may be missing some bigger issues with respect to this franchise and the way it's run from the very top.

 

The timing couldn't be worse given the off season AA has had. I can't help but wonder if he's been told to stand pat until DD is in place to approve any moves. I know it may seem far-fetched, but at this point, nothing seems to be past this clown.

[Rusty_Savage]

Quick question here?

 

Tampering charges it's clear the Jays violated the rules here. What would be the punishment Huge fine cost you a couple first round picks? I say 2 cause you missed with White Sox and Orioles.

 

 

 

 

I think giving up Hoffman and ending the tampering charges would be the best for Jays.

 

Do you have any iota of proof that the Jays tampered? I'm not saying they did, but it's extremely hard to prove and he said, she said hearsay won't cut it.

 

And you are 100% wrong about giving up Hoffman for letting the tampering charges go away. Tampering charges will bring about a fine in the 500,000 - 1,000,000 or a loss in IFA spending. The Jays have 3,000,000 already invested in Hoffman. Do the math.

 

And frankly, if your scenario about having to give up a 1st for these phantom tampering charges is true, the Jays would (or should) forfeit the pick as it more then likely won't be as valuable as Hoffman.