Blue Jays seeking replacement for Beeston

[flafson]

Non compete in a league where you only have 29 other possible employers is pointless. If he works for any of the other 29 teams it's competition.

As said above, non compete in normal situations are 99.9% of the time not even worth the paper they were written on.

[flafson]

A spot in the Red Sox rotation is not a promotion, as he's already in the MLB, that's why the comparison of an AAA player to Japan is the one that makes the most sense (but still, not a lot of sense. There's just not a player analog for this situation...)

 

The best comparison is when a CFL team releases a player from contract in order to pursue an NFL career. Happens all the time and there is 0 compensation in those situations.

[Boxcar]

It's almost as if allowing your idiot kid to inherit a high ranking position in your company is a bad idea.

 

I'm simply amazed at how often it happens.

[RealAccountant]

Players are bound by CBA and not non compete agreements

[burlingtonbandit]

It's almost as if allowing your idiot kid to inherit a high ranking position in your company is a bad idea.

 

I'm simply amazed at how often it happens.

 

Reminds me of Chris Polian, Bill's son for the colts.

[TwistedLogic]

ugh, another bad mark on the jays organization...Ed Rogers is an idiot

 

You're just now learning that the heads over at Rogers are idiots? Were you asleep this past year?

 

Yeah, while so many here are concerned with trolling and laughing at some O's forum, they may be missing some bigger issues with respect to this franchise and the way it's run from the very top.

 

The timing couldn't be worse given the off season AA has had. I can't help but wonder if he's been told to stand pat until DD is in place to approve any moves. I know it may seem far-fetched, but at this point, nothing seems to be past this clown.

 

I forget who it was, but I read somewhere that AA has had deals lined up for Navarro that he was told to hold on to until the DD mess was sorted out. Seems like a realistic thing that could have happened, seeing as how Navarro is a potential chip to send the O's. Also would make sense why the D-Backs suddenly got up and decided they didn't need a catcher. Could they have had a deal, and got fed up of waiting? Who knows.

[TwistedLogic]

It's almost as if allowing your idiot kid to inherit a high ranking position in your company is a bad idea.

 

I'm simply amazed at how often it happens.

 

Probably like John and Louis Angelos.

[burlingtonbandit]

You're just now learning that the heads over at Rogers are idiots? Were you asleep this past year?

 

 

 

I forget who it was, but I read somewhere that AA has had deals lined up for Navarro that he was told to hold on to until the DD mess was sorted out. Seems like a realistic thing that could have happened, seeing as how Navarro is a potential chip to send the O's. Also would make sense why the D-Backs suddenly got up and decided they didn't need a catcher. Could they have had a deal, and got fed up of waiting? Who knows.

 

Was it a good source? Or speculation from a blogger or something? Just curious as I have not seen/heard that at all from anywhere.

[burlingtonbandit]

Funniest thing about this is that the new Rogers CEO apparently wanted the Blue Jays to improve Roger's image. Even if they spent an additional 10 million this offseason Eddy damaged Roger's image and public reputation a ton by this clusterf***.

[TwistedLogic]

Was it a good source? Or speculation from a blogger or something? Just curious as I have not seen/heard that at all from anywhere.

 

It's escaping me now who said it, but I'd never quote a blogger.

[TwistedLogic]

This isn't the article I was talking about, but it does get somewhat of a mention here by Blair:

 

"I know one Blue Jays insider who claimed this weekend he was shocked Navarro hasn’t been traded yet, believing that general manager Alex Anthopoulos had two viable deals for the catcher on the table as late as last week. Meanwhile, Beeston is not under contract for next season and is scheduled to make a public appearance in front of season-ticket holders at the state of the franchise function on Feb. 5. I’d call that a timeline, if not a deadline."

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/dickey-insinuates-he-wants-thole-on-jays/

[glory]

Was it a good source? Or speculation from a blogger or something? Just curious as I have not seen/heard that at all from anywhere.

 

It was Blair, so take it whichever way you want, but I tend to believe it.

 

AA made the Happ/Saunders trade on December 3. On December 7, Rosenthal tweets about the Jays interest in Duquette.

 

What Major League transaction have the Jays made since December 7? None. Minor league deals and waiver claims. That's all. For a team that only has three guaranteed MLB relievers (Cecil, Loup, Estrada), a projected 0 WAR out of 2B (Goins/Izturis), and a #5 starter who has red flags all over the place.

 

Not only has this Duquette nonsense hurt the Jays reputation, but it may have hurt AA's chances of trading Navarro and finding suitable solutions for the holes that still exist on the team.

 

Now, it could all be a big coincidence, as AA proved last season he can go six months without making an MLB transaction if he wanted to, but trading Navarro when Dickey is publicly supporting Thole and Martin is coming in with a 5/82 contract is simply common sense, and hasn't been done yet. There's a real chance Navarro starts the year in Toronto, and that's not good. If it's because of Edward Rogers and his imbecile friend, then they can both EAD as far as I'm concerned. Wish his last name was something else so they could fire him.

[guylaroche5]

getting tired of reading about this s*** everyday, just end it and let AA do his job. ed rogers deserves to be publicly shamed, what a clown.

[TwistedLogic]

Now, it could all be a big coincidence, as AA proved last season he can go six months without making an MLB transaction if he wanted to

 

No, I'm pretty sure that even last off-season, the inactivity was largely driven by Rogers. I don't think anyone believes that AA willingly chose to sit out the entire time in a year as important as that one was going to be.

 

getting tired of reading about this s*** everyday, just end it and let AA do his job. ed rogers deserves to be publicly shamed, what a clown.

 

It won't end. It could have already ended a month ago in reality, and we're none the wiser, because the stupid f***ing reporters won't let it go. This is literally all they have to write about right now, they'll milk it for every single extra page click they can get out of it.

[Dick_Pole]

Just in case you need proof that Ed Rogers is fumbling idiot:

 

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/23/the-inside-story-on-how-rogers-tried-to-replace-blue-jays-president-paul-beeston

 

On top of the normal amount of disdain any good Canadian would have for the Rogers corporation, now I have to think that every monthly bill I pay helps go to feed and clothe this imbecile.

 

f*** you Ed Rogers I hope you find a plastic bag you enjoy playing with.

[jaysfan2014]

It was Blair, so take it whichever way you want, but I tend to believe it.

 

AA made the Happ/Saunders trade on December 3. On December 7, Rosenthal tweets about the Jays interest in Duquette.

 

What Major League transaction have the Jays made since December 7? None. Minor league deals and waiver claims. That's all. For a team that only has three guaranteed MLB relievers (Cecil, Loup, Estrada), a projected 0 WAR out of 2B (Goins/Izturis), and a #5 starter who has red flags all over the place.

 

Not only has this Duquette nonsense hurt the Jays reputation, but it may have hurt AA's chances of trading Navarro and finding suitable solutions for the holes that still exist on the team.

 

Now, it could all be a big coincidence, as AA proved last season he can go six months without making an MLB transaction if he wanted to, but trading Navarro when Dickey is publicly supporting Thole and Martin is coming in with a 5/82 contract is simply common sense, and hasn't been done yet. There's a real chance Navarro starts the year in Toronto, and that's not good. If it's because of Edward Rogers and his imbecile friend, then they can both EAD as far as I'm concerned. Wish his last name was something else so they could fire him.

 

At least the Jays did something... O's fans are pissed off at Peter Angelos right now because he has failed to add anybody outside of a reliever. And the O's really needed to resign Markakis, Cruz, or trade for an OF.. they're going to regress without any moves.

[TwistedLogic]

I would really like to know the backstory behind all of this, in otherwords why are they so desperately (and secretly) trying to replace Beeston.

 

Could be anything; there's a whole host of reasons they might be upset with him. There's the idea that they're upset with him for standing up against Manfred. There's the idea that they're upset with him for not firing Anthopoulos (this sounds f***ing stupid to me). Putting on my Stoeten-level speculation hat, I was actually wondering earlier today if Beeston's remark about payroll could have been a contributing factor. If Rogers had absolutely no intention of green-lighting an increase on payroll, it could have irritated them that Beeston promised us that it would be going up. Even if Valencia and Donaldson win their arb cases, and if you put aside another 5M for league min guys, the payroll is still 12M under what it was last year (125M vs 137M).

 

Or maybe nobody is upset with Beeston; maybe everyone was expecting to give him a victory lap and then go their separate ways at the end of 2015, and Ed Rogers is just a f***tard loose cannon that went behind everybody's backs, not just Beeston's. This seems like the likeliest of scenarios to me. One of the first things that Guy Laurence apparently did when he got the job was to remove Ed and Melinda rogers from their day-to-day ops, so maybe nobody other than Ed Rogers knows what the hell is going on.

[Spanky99]

Just in case you need proof that Ed Rogers is fumbling idiot:

 

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/23/the-inside-story-on-how-rogers-tried-to-replace-blue-jays-president-paul-beeston

 

Jesus Christ, what an embarrassment to the org.

[glory]

No, I'm pretty sure that even last off-season, the inactivity was largely driven by Rogers. I don't think anyone believes that AA willingly chose to sit out the entire time in a year as important as that one was going to be.

 

I agree except I think they would have let him shed payroll if he wanted to (ex. sell high on Rasmus). I think he could have made moves to lower payroll and see limited drop off, but I agree in general that he was handcuffed by ownership.

[Spanky99]

upcoming draft picks too.

 

This doesn't happen, they'd be fined.

[Gorlak]

Who here would prefer Duquette as GM over AA? I wouldn't.

[TheHurl]

Funniest thing about this is that the new Rogers CEO apparently wanted the Blue Jays to improve Roger's image. Even if they spent an additional 10 million this offseason Eddy damaged Roger's image and public reputation a ton by this clusterf***.

 

It wasn't Rogers wanting to use the Jays to improve their image, it was a report that Rogers commissioned to an outside firm about their image and spending on the Jays was the number 1 recommendation. I think number 2 was fake a blood test to show Ed Rogers isn't really Ted's son.

[TheHurl]

Who here would prefer Duquette as GM over AA? I wouldn't.

 

I would...and might cheer for the team again.

[Gorlak]

I would...and might cheer for the team again.

 

What do you think he is good at?

[flafson]

I like 90% of AA's moves, i doubt i'd want DD to replace him.

It's very stupid if DD means that AA is gone. I understand if we suck again this season and it's time for AA to go but otherwise no reason to force it.

[jayswin11]

f*** I hope this is over soon. I do not want the Jays to give up anything significant for Duquette.

[TheHurl]

What do you think he is good at?

 

Not being AA. Honestly I don't think he's a great GM, his moves with the O's have mostly been minor ones. He turned Guthrie into Hammel (and I think Joe Saunders) which looked much better immediately after the trade but it's hardly much of an impact now. Dumping Johnson and freeing up the money to sign Cruz is obviously a good move. Tough to not love his Expos work, one great trade wasn't all that he did there...but it really is his resume maker. He probably didn't deserve to be exiled from baseball after Boston. Is he my choice for a type of GM? Nope but at least he's not known as a guy that needs a million stupid people with baseball history around him either.

[Gorlak]

I like 90% of AA's moves, i doubt i'd want DD to replace him.

It's very stupid if DD means that AA is gone. I understand if we suck again this season and it's time for AA to go but otherwise no reason to force it.

 

Would AA want to stay if they make him a GM in name only. I think people assume that since DD got to the playoffs he's a great GM, But that's like using W-L record as a way to judge pitchers. I can't think of any moves Baltimore has made that I was impressed with.

[flafson]

Would AA want to stay if they make him a GM in name only. I think people assume that since DD got to the playoffs he's a great GM, But that's like using W-L record as a way to judge pitchers. I can't think of any moves Baltimore has made that I was impressed with.

 

Yea, i don't see DD as better than AA. If we didn't have a GM i would be ok with DD, but otherwise it's stupid.

[Gorlak]

Not being AA. Honestly I don't think he's a great GM, his moves with the O's have mostly been minor ones. He turned Guthrie into Hammel (and I think Joe Saunders) which looked much better immediately after the trade but it's hardly much of an impact now. Dumping Johnson and freeing up the money to sign Cruz is obviously a good move. Tough to not love his Expos work, one great trade wasn't all that he did there...but it really is his resume maker. He probably didn't deserve to be exiled from baseball after Boston. Is he my choice for a type of GM? Nope but at least he's not known as a guy that needs a million stupid people with baseball history around him either.

 

I don't think a do nothing GM would help the Jays compete, But he could help them lose for less money. He doesn't seem to extend his players or trade them while they still have value. I don't know why you hate AA so irrationally that you don't cheer for the Jays, But I assume it has more to do with your ego than anything else.

Edited January 25, 2015 by Gorlak