Jays get Josh Donaldson for Lawrie, Graveman, Nolin and Barreto

[Stangstag]

He will always say the trade makes sense for the jays no matter what trying to make it sound like they win. Graveman was below Tirado and reid foley at the time of the draft most likely but now he is ahead of them.

 

Wilner tried to make the Lind for Estrada deal sound good for the Jays.

 

If Wilner can't see that the Lind trade was a salary dump then I don't know what to say.

[burlingtonbandit]

If Wilner can't see that the Lind trade was a salary dump then I don't know what to say.

 

I think he saw it as that but tried to say that it was great flexibility. It was still a terrible trade even now.

[Stangstag]

I think he saw it as that but tried to say that it was great flexibility. It was still a terrible trade even now.

 

Not a bad trade if we HAD to dump Lind. Better to get Estrada then to just pay the 3million buyout to Lind and get nothing.

[LongTimeReader]

I never said any of that. Obviously, being tired or fatigued is going to affect a players performance, nobody would argue otherwise. You declared that Lawrie needs to stop drinking Red Bull because its affecting his performance, I simply refuted your assumption (you sure are full of them). What percentage of players would you estimate drink coffee on a daily basis?

 

I said it would affect his timing. If you drink Red Bull is your energy level / concentration always at "peak" levels? No. Therefore you are dealing with energy and concentration levels inbetween "normal" and "peaked", this variance would disrupt your timing at the plate and your timing fielding. Having your timing only slightly off in baseball would absolutely affect your game. That's deductive logic.

[RealAccountant]

I said it would affect his timing. If you drink Red Bull is your energy level / concentration always at "peak" levels? No. Therefore you are dealing with energy and concentration levels inbetween "normal" and "peaked", this variance would disrupt your timing at the plate and your timing fielding. Having your timing only slightly off in baseball would absolutely affect your game. That's deductive logic.

 

This is a very good point. I wonder to what extent caffeine effects hand eye coordination as well as withdrawal

[Gorlak]

Not a bad trade if we HAD to dump Lind. Better to get Estrada then to just pay the 3million buyout to Lind and get nothing.

 

If it was just a salary dump he would have got a prospect or at least a player still making league minimum, Lind was likely traded because he isn't a "gamer" and other character related reasons.

[ElNik2013]

Why wouldn't another team have offered something better than Estrada if Lind was sought-after by several teams?

 

Estrada was likely the best AA could get.

[G-Snarls]

If it was just a salary dump he would have got a prospect or at least a player still making league minimum, Lind was likely traded because he isn't a "gamer" and other character related reasons.

 

I'm afraid this is likely true

 

It didn't help that we essentially had 3 players this year who only should have played at DH (Lind, EE, Francisco). It was hhard for Gibby to get the most out of those guys when they all suck on defense.

[John_Havok]

I'm afraid this is likely true

 

It didn't help that we essentially had 3 players this year who only should have played at DH (Lind, EE, Francisco). It was hhard for Gibby to get the most out of those guys when they all suck on defense.

 

Not to mention Nver knowing when Lind's back was going to keep him out of the lineup for 2 weeks, then play 5 games, then gone for 2 weeks, then play for 5, then gone for a month etc

[Dick_Pole]

On the topic of Lind....meh who cares now.

 

With AA, you have to look at the big picture instead of dissecting every move or it will drive you crazy. Like with people who still bring up Napoli for Francisco when the big picture was getting Wells off the books without paying a penny of his salary.

 

Lind out

Gose out

Lawrie out

 

Donaldson in

Travis in

Martin in

 

Under this scenario the offense is vastly improved, far less injury prone and more defensively versatile. Unquestionably better. If Lind was the move that AA had to do before starting the real work then so be it. Like taking that big dump in the morning before getting off to a productive work day.

[Spoonovic]

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[LongTimeReader]

http://i.imgur.com/8sGebWo.gif

 

That's gold spoon

[43211234]

As an interesting piece of trivia is that Donaldson's father spent 15 years in prison for drug and domestic violence charges. This article is a good read about his life growing up:

http://www.sfgate.com/athletics/article/A-s-Donaldson-takes-nothing-for-granted-4544891.php

 

His father saw him play live professionally for the first time in 2013:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/a-s-josh-donaldson-shows-father-what-he-missed-000357225.html

[Caper]

As an interesting piece of trivia is that Donaldson's father spent 15 years in prison for drug and domestic violence charges. This article is a good read about his life growing up:

http://www.sfgate.com/athletics/article/A-s-Donaldson-takes-nothing-for-granted-4544891.php

 

His father saw him play live professionally for the first time in 2013:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/a-s-josh-donaldson-shows-father-what-he-missed-000357225.html

 

Pretty cool article. I didn't know his mother was french.

[Deadpool]

Pretty cool article. I didn't know his mother was french.

 

Her name is Lisa French, I don't think that makes her French...

[KingKat]

Her name is Lisa French, I don't think that makes her French...

 

Yeah for a minute there, he had me believing we would have another Martin like press conference but then I read the article. If she has the last name French, it probably means some distant ancestor of hers spoke French. The odds that she herself speaks French are pretty slim. Most Franco-Americans were shamed out of their French generations ago. There are just pockets of it remaining, in Louisiana most prominently and a few other isolated pockets from Northern Maine through the Appalachian trail.

[Caper]

Her name is Lisa French, I don't think that makes her French...

 

 

It was just a tacky joke.

[KingKat]

It was just a tacky joke.

 

Is that why you didn't capitalize French? To make it more confusing?

[HERPDERP]

Hitting analysis case study on Donaldson vs Bautista, and how Donaldson can improve (he can get some good tips from Bautista)

 

http://hittingperformancelab.com/josh-donaldson/

[burlingtonbandit]

On the topic of Lind....meh who cares now.

 

With AA, you have to look at the big picture instead of dissecting every move or it will drive you crazy. Like with people who still bring up Napoli for Francisco when the big picture was getting Wells off the books without paying a penny of his salary.

 

Lind out

Gose out

Lawrie out

 

Donaldson in

Travis in

Martin in

 

Under this scenario the offense is vastly improved, far less injury prone and more defensively versatile. Unquestionably better. If Lind was the move that AA had to do before starting the real work then so be it. Like taking that big dump in the morning before getting off to a productive work day.

 

But did they have to move Lind for the other moves to happen? For as much baggage as Lind had he still was a fantastic LH hitter for a team that needs a LH hitter. Ill take Lind moving for the other deals as a fan but just seems weird since he is exactly the player the team needs.

[Ehjays]

But did they have to move Lind for the other moves to happen? For as much baggage as Lind had he still was a fantastic LH hitter for a team that needs a LH hitter. Ill take Lind moving for the other deals as a fan but just seems weird since he is exactly the player the team needs.

 

Yes....agreed.

[LongTimeReader]

Hitting analysis case study on Donaldson vs Bautista, and how Donaldson can improve (he can get some good tips from Bautista)

 

http://hittingperformancelab.com/josh-donaldson/

 

By ballpark alone, he's likely to improve.

[HERPDERP]

Fangraphs article on Donaldson's defense

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-thing-about-josh-donaldsons-defense/

 

He gets nearly all his defensive value from his range. His throwing can be problematic. Worse than E5 problematic.

[Angrioter]

Fangraphs article on Donaldson's defense

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-thing-about-josh-donaldsons-defense/

 

He gets nearly all his defensive value from his range. His throwing can be problematic. Worse than E5 problematic.

 

It's obvious at a glance, his arm is not as powerful. Jays need a good defender at 1B

[HERPDERP]

James Loney 2015

 

edit: nvm, I thought he was good at defense, fangraphs shows him as s*** o.o

[G-Snarls]

It's obvious at a glance, his arm is not as powerful. Jays need a good defender at 1B

 

Is Smoak better than Edwin at 1B?

 

Serious question, I have no idea. Both Edwin and Lind were bad defensively.

 

Could Smoak inherit the 1B job? Equally important, will he hit better outside of Seattle or is he really a bust of a hitter?

 

Edit: Forget it. Smoak seems to be a below average hitter AND defender at 1B according to Fangraphs. Why did we get him again?

[KingKat]

Is Smoak better than Edwin at 1B?

 

Serious question, I have no idea. Both Edwin and Lind were bad defensively.

 

Could Smoak inherit the 1B job? Equally important, will he hit better outside of Seattle or is he really a bust of a hitter?

 

Edit: Forget it. Smoak seems to be a below average hitter AND defender at 1B according to Fangraphs. Why did we get him again?

 

Costs a lot less than Lind and the projection is solid.

[Stangstag]

Smoak has a cool name

[HERPDERP]

so did Chip Cannon

 

/heartbreak

[ineedsheet]

Is Smoak better than Edwin at 1B?

 

Serious question, I have no idea. Both Edwin and Lind were bad defensively.

 

Could Smoak inherit the 1B job? Equally important, will he hit better outside of Seattle or is he really a bust of a hitter?

 

Edit: Forget it. Smoak seems to be a below average hitter AND defender at 1B according to Fangraphs. Why did we get him again?

 

Smoak and Valencia were both better than EE/Lind at 1b. (Although it was a small sample size for Valencia)

 

Everyone hates the Lind trade now, but really the goal of this club was to get better defensively, and Lind was overpaid for what would essentially amount to a platoon DH.

 

EE has publicly stated his preference to remain the DH. i really dont think this is difficult to figure out at all, further acquisitions aside, Smoak/Valencia will be platooning at 1b.