Jays get Josh Donaldson for Lawrie, Graveman, Nolin and Barreto

[fireballW]

I don't get why we would do this. Rogers Center is more a major hitter's park because of how the ball carries / having a dome to hit in during bad weather etc... Not really because of the dimensions being tiny. The whole point is mostly that the ball would carry farther in the Roger's Center. You could look at how many Donaldson hit to the warning track and probably assume a lot of those would be homeruns.

 

** this in reply to Donaldson spray chart and translating it directly to Roger's Center

[fatcowxlive]

Barry Davis ‏@SNBarryDavis 1m1 minute ago

AA "we've become a more desirable place for FA pitchers since the Martin deal." #BlueJays

 

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WELCOME HOME JAMES SHIELDs!!!

[Angrioter]

Max or James please

[King]

Barry Davis ‏@SNBarryDavis 24s25 seconds ago

AA says both Lawrie and Donaldson were shocked with the deal. #BlueJays

 

Mike Wilner ‏@Wilnerness590 1m1 minute ago

AA: Haven't even thought about locking up Donaldson to a long-term extension, still have four years of control. #Bluejays #Jays

 

Mike Wilner ‏@Wilnerness590 33s33 seconds ago

AA: Both Donaldson, Lawrie were shocked, and rightly so. #Athletics had no intention of trading Josh, we had no intention of trading Brett.

[Inklink]

Wohoooooooo. Just read every damn post in this thread. Posted in the "SOMETHING IS HAPPENING" thread earlier. I WIN. AA WINS.

 

 

Thanks for the quotes KING.

[GD]

Barry Davis ‏@SNBarryDavis 1m1 minute ago

AA "we've become a more desirable place for FA pitchers since the Martin deal." #BlueJays

 

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SHIELDS pls

[King]

Barry Davis ‏@SNBarryDavis 12s12 seconds ago

AA "Brett was surprised but understanding. He wanted to be a part of this. It was not a call I was looking forward to" #BlueJays

[King]

Wohoooooooo. Just read every damn post in this thread. Posted in the "SOMETHING IS HAPPENING" thread earlier. I WIN. AA WINS.

 

 

Thanks for the quotes KING.

 

I love you brotha!!! JOSH DONALDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[o2cui2i]

For those asking about Park Factor performance increase, maybe these will help

 

Coliseum with Rogers Centre overlayed (in red):

 

http://www.hittrackeronline.com/overlay/overlay_1417234600_204004216.jpg

 

Josh Donaldson's 2014 spray chart on top of Rogers Centre (the dark blue are already homeruns), essentially based on this he would have not hit anymore HR at RC this year.

 

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=887&d=1417235337

 

ball doesn't carry as well at Colosseum, especially at night and you dont get many balls fouled out of play. Donaldson is a 345 OBP guy....

 

Ball flies at the RC, especially in the summer, but never has "bad" carry and you can get 10 pitch ABs because the seats are so close.

[metafour]

Josh Donaldson's 2014 spray chart on top of Rogers Centre (the dark blue are already homeruns), essentially based on this he would have not hit anymore HR at RC this year.

 

It isn't just about the actual distance of the walls, but the total hitting environment. Things like elevation and the fact that the ball carries in the RC are the main factors.

[TheHurl]

It's funny how everyone is talking about the A's like they have no zero chance of being a playoff team. Then again people talk that way about the A's every year.

[LongTimeReader]

Quality was poor in my last post, here's a better overlay of Josh Donaldson's Coliseum spray map on RC (it looks like no more HR by park alone)

 

http://i.imgur.com/7Y2BfBp.png

[fatcowxlive]

ball doesn't carry as well at Colosseum, especially at night and you dont get many balls fouled out of play. Donaldson is a 345 OBP guy....

 

Ball flies at the RC, especially in the summer, but never has "bad" carry and you can get 10 pitch ABs because the seats are so close.

 

.361 OPB away from Oakland... this is going to be exciting!

[fatcowxlive]

Quality was poor in my last post, here's a better overlay of Josh Donaldson's Coliseum spray map on RC (it looks like no more HR)

 

http://i.imgur.com/7Y2BfBp.png

 

Holy all the warning track hits would be homers too, ball dies in the air during the summer nights in Oakland

[o2cui2i]

.361 OPB away from Oakland... this is going to be exciting!

 

dude can hit and plays some great D. he's fairly fast as well and will be a perfect 2 hole hitter. unless they resign melky. wow..... resign melky!!! lol

[Abomination]

ball doesn't carry as well at Colosseum, especially at night and you dont get many balls fouled out of play. Donaldson is a 345 OBP guy....

 

Ball flies at the RC, especially in the summer, but never has "bad" carry and you can get 10 pitch ABs because the seats are so close.

 

Not to mention playing a bunch of games in Boston and Baltimore (not to mention Yankee Stadium) as opposed to, you know, Anaheim and Seattle.

[TobiasFunke]

This may be a dumb question, but do Urena and/or Lugo have anywhere close to the potential Barreto does? I know Barreto is the best of the three, but Urena was the one considered most likely to stick at short, correct?

[Atothe]

Don't resign melky, stop this unhealthy obsession about resigning him

[King]

This may be a dumb question, but do Urena and/or Lugo have anywhere close to the potential Barreto does? I know Barreto is the best of the three, but Urena was the one considered most likely to stick at short, correct?

 

Barreto has the highest potential with the bat, Urena is the most likely to stick at SS

 

Also not a dumb question!

[SAAviour]

Lester, shields, scherzer should be fighting to either sign in Toronto or the nl now. No one wants to face this offence.

[xposbrad]

It's funny how everyone is talking about the A's like they have no zero chance of being a playoff team. Then again people talk that way about the A's every year.

 

We understand Beane knows what he's doing. Every trade, he always gets 3-4 players, and 1-2 don't work out, but he always ends up with 1-2 that do, and then he flips them for more and more players. That's his job, to flip players when they start getting expensive, for younger guys. Short term AA wins the trade, but Beane gets a lot of cheap/serviceable guys, and he gets a high upside SS, both teams win, long term the As because of all the prospects as well.

[wardhenke1]

Alright AA, now get Troy Tulowitzki for Reyes without trading Stroman, Sanchez and Pompey. You can do this.

[fatcowxlive]

dude can hit and plays some great D. he's fairly fast as well and will be a perfect 2 hole hitter. unless they resign melky. wow..... resign melky!!! lol

 

We would be STACKED!!

[burlingtonbandit]

This lineup will murder LHP next year. Just Donaldson the last 2 years against LHP 187 and 183 wRC+.

[LongTimeReader]

Holy all the warning track hits would be homers too, ball dies in the air during the summer nights in Oakland

 

ball doesn't carry as well at Colosseum, especially at night and you dont get many balls fouled out of play. Donaldson is a 345 OBP guy....

 

Ball flies at the RC, especially in the summer, but never has "bad" carry and you can get 10 pitch ABs because the seats are so close.

 

It isn't just about the actual distance of the walls, but the total hitting environment. Things like elevation and the fact that the ball carries in the RC are the main factors.

 

If we want to look at it solely by numbers:

 

Overall PF of Rogers Centre is 103 (2014)

Homerun PF of Rogers Centre is 109 (2014)

 

Overall PF of Coliseum is 97 (2014) - 6% increase at RC

Homerun PF of Coliseum is 92 (2014) - 17% increase at RC

 

We're looking at a major increase in HR and signifcant increase in overall batting performance for Donaldson.

[saskjayfan]

Don't resign melky, stop this unhealthy obsession about resigning him

 

resigning melky on a reasonable 3 year contract would not be the worst thing in the world.

[Inklink]

[King]

 

Well yeah

 

Ian Hunter ‏@BlueJayHunter 21m21 minutes ago

"I’ve watched unlimited hours of Jose Bautista on film." - Josh Donaldson earlier this year. http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/just-a-bit-outside/story/josh-donaldson-oral-history-juice-in-his-hands-071614 …

[Angrioter]

This may be a dumb question, but do Urena and/or Lugo have anywhere close to the potential Barreto does? I know Barreto is the best of the three, but Urena was the one considered most likely to stick at short, correct?

 

No way.

Urena is a glove + below Avg bat; Lugo can't stick SS and poor discipline at home plate

[Deadpool]

Barry Davis ‏@SNBarryDavis 12s12 seconds ago

AA "Brett was surprised but understanding. He wanted to be a part of this. It was not a call I was looking forward to" #BlueJays

 

He called him "Brett" and not "The player", which is his usual terminology... He actually was torn on this one...