LTR Verified Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/theres-nothing-at-all-like-the-dodgers-offense/ Good article from Jeff Sullivan illustrating just how good the Dodgers offense is. I would trade Jeff Hoffman for Farhan Zaidi or Andrew Friedman. Projections say they their offense is just slightly better than the Jays: Dodgers 22.7 WAR Blue Jays 21.1 WAR
L54 Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 Dodgers team wRC+ 131 Blue Jays team wRC+ 110
z3r0s Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 Dodgers were always my favorite NL team. I guess was a sucker for loser. But now its quite nice lol. Plus I picked up the Cubs b/c I like how they committed the the rebuild, and that's bearing fruit too! Its nice my NL teams are turning around. Take my attention off my Jays
LTR Verified Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 Dodgers team wRC+ 131 Blue Jays team wRC+ 110 This just means there's some regression, probably both ways.
L54 Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 You would trade a potential front end starter for an executive? Yes. He's proven time and time again that he's one of the very best at what he does. He's essentially the Mike Trout of executives.
L54 Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 This just means there's some regression, probably both ways. I agree. It's cool to see what Friedman's work looks like after casuals screamed when they traded guys like Dee and Kemp.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 Dodgers ---> $278,804,880 Blue Jays ---> $128,352,310 Rays $ 75,794,234 Astros $ 72,464,200 seems to be a direct correlation
L54 Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 They're doing it on a .307 BABIP as a team as well.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 I always wonder how the dynamics of the front office works in situations like this, with a club president and GM, both of baseball operations ilk. For example, Hoyer and Epstein were both GM's, Epstein was hired by the cubs as President, then he hired Hoyer as GM. Similarly, Friedman was hired as President of Baseball ops, and Zaidi is GM (although Zaidi was asst GM in Oak) Do they act like Beeston and Anthopoulos, where the GM has 'final say' on day-to-day baseball moves such as roster mgmt, waiver claims, trades, free agent signings (within the payroll parameters, of course), etc. or is it more like AA and LeCava, where Hoyer and Zaidi are GM's in name only, but they're in fact functioning as assistant GM's do in a Beeston/AA/LeCava title situation. Guess it doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things, but just something i've wondered. Never saw this before...it's the exact same dynamic as a GM and Asst. GM. They just had to give title increases to both of them to avoid compensation.
Atothe Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 They're doing it on a .307 BABIP as a team as well. Their .iso as a team is over .200. Not sustainable
L54 Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 Do I think that the Dodgers are going to set the league record for wRC+ in an era where runs have been highly suppressed? No. What I do enjoy seeing is a competent executive utilize his resources to produce the best offense in baseball. Dodgers are going to be very good, for a very long time.
Captain Adama Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 Do I think that the Dodgers are going to set the league record for wRC+ in an era where runs have been highly suppressed? No. What I do enjoy seeing is a competent executive utilize his resources to produce the best offense in baseball. Dodgers are going to be very good, for a very long time. Lots of people didn't think Freidman and Zaidi would be good with teams with big payrolls. Haha, nope, so far they're still doing what they're doing.
L54 Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 Lots of people didn't think Freidman and Zaidi would be good with teams with big payrolls. Haha, nope, so far they're still doing what they're doing. It'll be interesting to see what they do in the FA market this offseason. They're basically like the Yankees of 00's, with an even bigger advantage being the best FO at identifying value. Much more likable though.
LTR Verified Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 seems to be a direct correlation You can buy a team or you can be bad for years... the Astros are the later... the Rays were the later... the Blue Jays managed to find some kind of purgatory that will get them no where.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 Dodgers were always my favorite NL team. I guess was a sucker for loser. But now its quite nice lol. Plus I picked up the Cubs b/c I like how they committed the the rebuild, and that's bearing fruit too! Its nice my NL teams are turning around. Take my attention off my Jays U Suck, Pirates rule!
Sorrow Verified Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 U Suck, Pirates rule! Aww yiss. Pirates are still my NL team as well.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 You can buy a team or you can be bad for years... the Astros are the later... the Rays were the later... the Blue Jays managed to find some kind of purgatory that will get them no where. The Rays haven't been bad for almost a decade, and very little of their success is due to their consistently high draft position in the early-mid 2000s. What really happened was that they had a s***** GM (who the jays decided to hire) and replaced him with an amazing GM.
LTR Verified Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 The Rays haven't been bad for almost a decade, and very little of their success is due to their consistently high draft position in the early-mid 2000s. What really happened was that they had a s***** GM (who the jays decided to hire) and replaced him with an amazing GM. Yeah, but they needed to be bad for years to finally get good. After that some excellent FO and drafting kept them afloat.
crmr Verified Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 Lots of people didn't think Freidman and Zaidi would be good with teams with big payrolls. Haha, nope, so far they're still doing what they're doing. Well, the Dodgers were already good...
RealAccountant Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 You can buy a team or you can be bad for years... the Astros are the later... the Rays were the later... the Blue Jays managed to find some kind of purgatory that will get them no where. This is sad.
xposbrad Verified Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 You can buy a team or you can be bad for years... the Astros are the later... the Rays were the later... the Blue Jays managed to find some kind of purgatory that will get them no where. Yes, the Blue Jays will most likely always be a near .500 team, with an outside shot every year of competing in making the playoffs IF everything works out. This year, they are like the Rangers from the early 2000s, all hitting, no pitching. It would be nice to do a quick rebuild, but that would require trading fan favorites. Not sure the Toronto market would be able to handle that. The Blue Jays are run like a business, they know even if they are average they will make X in revenues and X in profits, which is really what matters to ownership.
RealAccountant Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 Yes, the Blue Jays will most likely always be a near .500 team, with an outside shot every year of competing in making the playoffs IF everything works out. This year, they are like the Rangers from the early 2000s, all hitting, no pitching. It would be nice to do a quick rebuild, but that would require trading fan favorites. Not sure the Toronto market would be able to handle that. The Blue Jays are run like a business, they know even if they are average they will make X in revenues and X in profits, which is really what matters to ownership. But wouldn't we just get lucky at at least once. Its been 22 years
Nox Verified Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 I wonder how bad Friedman wants to trade Kershaw. Probably can't happen for alot of reasons though.
LTR Verified Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 Yes, the Blue Jays will most likely always be a near .500 team, with an outside shot every year of competing in making the playoffs IF everything works out. This year, they are like the Rangers from the early 2000s, all hitting, no pitching. It would be nice to do a quick rebuild, but that would require trading fan favorites. Not sure the Toronto market would be able to handle that. The Blue Jays are run like a business, they know even if they are average they will make X in revenues and X in profits, which is really what matters to ownership. With a couple decent starters this is a play-off team. But not now, the SP is trash.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 Yeah, but they needed to be bad for years to finally get good. After that some excellent FO and drafting kept them afloat. The Rays have a pretty bad draft record. Longoria and Price are really the only big time success stories. People are always under the impression that the Rays run of success came from pitching, but they had the highest positional WAR in baseball for the duration of their stretch of dominance while the pitching was mostly average to slightly above.
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 they had the highest positional WAR in baseball Run prevention is a hollistic thing. The Rays get that.
TwistedLogic Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 Yeah, but they needed to be bad for years to finally get good. After that some excellent FO and drafting kept them afloat. Friedman's drafting with the Rays was atrocious.
LTR Verified Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 Friedman's drafting with the Rays was atrocious. I stand corrected, I assumed that was the case but I guess not.
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted May 15, 2015 Posted May 15, 2015 The Rays draft record stinks. No first rounders since David Price have managed to become decent for the Rays. Some have been traded (Vettleson), malcontents (Josh Sale, Tim Beckham), or are still stuck in the minors. Any decent prospects they have are either in A+ or AA ball. And of course, the current crop of players will depend if the Rays can still afford them.. with a questionable TV deal negotiation coming, of which they are at a disadvantage, plus a lack of fans, much of the current staff will likely be traded in the next year or two.
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