TDotttt2005 Verified Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Looks like Rays' foundation is falling apart. Good news for Jays fans. Sad to see for Rays fans, though. They had a nice run if it is, indeed, over. or...as the Toronto Gibby-Worshipping media will tell you...Managers don't make much of a difference.
Terminator Old-Timey Member Posted October 24, 2014 Author Posted October 24, 2014 Looks like Rays' foundation is falling apart. Good news for Jays fans. Sad to see for Rays fans, though. They had a nice run if it is, indeed, over. or...as the Toronto Gibby-Worshipping media will tell you...Managers don't make much of a difference. GM's and managers can be replaced. Their skillsets aren't as rare as good players. Rays ownership just needs to make the right hire at the top although there is definitely a chance that they are unable to do that.
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TDotttt2005 Verified Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 GM's and managers can be replaced. Their skillsets aren't as rare as good players. Rays ownership just needs to make the right hire at the top. I agree that the GM/Mgr Skillset is not as rare as elite level players, but it looked like the Rays caught lightning in a bottle there for a while with Sternberg/Friedman/Maddon, winning on a shoestring budget.
Chappy Community Moderator Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 GM's and managers can be replaced. Their skillsets aren't as rare as good players. Rays ownership just needs to make the right hire at the top. This is true, but a good GM is much harder to replace than a good manager IMO. That being said, the Rays organization has to be s***ing bricks right now.
Fearthedoc Verified Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Maddon is good, but it obviously won't sting nearly as much as losing Friedman. It took wizardry to make that team competitive year in and year out with a bottom 5 payroll every year.
burlingtonbandit Old-Timey Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 I wonder if the Rays bench coach will be the new manager. He seems like a good candidate to replace Maddon. I wonder where Maddon is going if LA is sticking to Mattingly.
reedjohnsonfan Verified Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 I wonder if the Rays bench coach will be the new manager. He seems like a good candidate to replace Maddon. I wonder where Maddon is going if LA is sticking to Mattingly. I wonder if Minnesota will be giving him a call.
admin Site Manager Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 I wonder if the Rays bench coach will be the new manager. He seems like a good candidate to replace Maddon. I wonder where Maddon is going if LA is sticking to Mattingly. Wondering the same. I bet the bench coach (forget his name) follows Maddon though. However, maybe this is his chance to be Manager and he takes it.
glory Old-Timey Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Maddon will sign with the Dodgers and then an hour later FireAlexAnthopoulos will bash Rogers for not beating their offer.
TDotttt2005 Verified Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Wondering the same. I bet the bench coach (forget his name) follows Maddon though. However, maybe this is his chance to be Manager and he takes it. Dave Martinez. He's turned down numerous managerial jobs to stay as bench coach. The Job will be his if he wants it.
TDotttt2005 Verified Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Maddon will sign with the Dodgers and then an hour later FireAlexAnthopoulos will bash Rogers for not beating their offer. Heyman now saying hes not going to the Dodgers.
TDotttt2005 Verified Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 steve simmons @simmonssteve 47s47 seconds ago An unconfirmed rumour at exec levels of baseball has Joe Maddon going to the Cubs.
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Guess he's leaving the sinking ship that is Tampa Bay, with ownership looking set to blow up the team with no new stadium on the horizon and declining attendance, making it meaningless to even put a decent team on the field or spend money. Wonder what Shea Hillenbrand would say about this?
jaysfan2014 Old-Timey Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 steve simmons @simmonssteve 47s47 seconds ago An unconfirmed rumour at exec levels of baseball has Joe Maddon going to the Cubs. Not a bad landing spot. That team looks poised to emerge in 2015, with a few additions in pitching, and the rise of prospects Addison Russell, Javier Baez, Jorge Soler and Kris Bryant.
RealAccountant Old-Timey Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 I agree that the GM/Mgr Skillset is not as rare as elite level players, but it looked like the Rays caught lightning in a bottle there for a while with Sternberg/Friedman/Maddon, winning on a shoestring budget. Lol @ lightning in a bottle, they made the playoffs 4 times in the last 7 years
RealAccountant Old-Timey Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Maddon will sign with the Dodgers and then an hour later FireAlexAnthopoulos will bash Rogers for not beating their offer. Yeah Gibby is just as good. Sure he makes stupid bullpen decision, pinch running errors that cost us the game later in the day, But Gibby is ours, and as such we need to support him. Replacing him with a success proven manager is not an option
RealAccountant Old-Timey Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Maddon is a proven manager, he has led teams to the playoffs 4 times, including a world series appearance. He will be successful other places as well. love this guy as a manager, But the jays are commited to Gibby. Sure Gibby has been a .500 manager for 6-7 years, but Gosh Darnit, Managers don't matter.
shortstop Verified Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Maddon's gonna get his deserved pay day. Won't be in Toronto with Gibby around & unlikely Jays would throw $'s at a manager right now even if Gibby wasn't
RealAccountant Old-Timey Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Maddon's gonna get his deserved pay day. Won't be in Toronto with Gibby around & unlikely Jays would throw $'s at a manager right now even if Gibby wasn't Yep the team is coming of a very successful 83-79 winning year. No need to change course
NorthOf49 Old-Timey Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Maddon's gonna get his deserved pay day. Won't be in Toronto with Gibby around & unlikely Jays would throw $'s at a manager right now even if Gibby wasn't Yep the team is coming of a very successful 83-79 winning year. No need to change course Maddon probably already knows where he'll be managing next year. The Blue Jays don't need a different manager anyway, they need better players.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 GM's and managers can be replaced. Their skillsets aren't as rare as good players. Rays ownership just needs to make the right hire at the top although there is definitely a chance that they are unable to do that. I am in mourning at this point...but I've always said a manager doesn't mean much to a team. Maddon was one of the few player draws that Tampa had. Even the platoon guys they often attract might be more difficult to sign there this year.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Maddon probably already knows where he'll be managing next year. The Blue Jays don't need a different manager anyway, they need better players. I think it's the Cubs.
Deadpool Old-Timey Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Wonder what Shea Hillenbrand would say about this? I can't imagine anyone has ever typed/said that before...
Deadpool Old-Timey Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Yep the team is coming of a very successful 83-79 winning year. No need to change course Yep, if only they'd had Maddon to lead them to a stellar 77-85 record this year...
Nox Verified Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Not a huge loss really. They'll hire someone smart and open-minded, a pool from which not too many other teams like to draw from. Losing Friedman was a much bigger blow.
reedjohnsonfan Verified Member Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 The Rays signed bad character players, maybe they'll sign a bad character manager (Ozzie Guillen).
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