Beeston on the Fan - You know Payroll is going higher in 2015

[TDotttt2005]

He also guarantees that payroll restrictions had nothing to do with the failure to improve the team at the trade deadline. I don't believe anything he says, but thats just me.

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/beeston-blue-jays-expect-payroll-to-rise-in-2015/

[RealAccountant]

Liar

[Governator]

Yea I listened to most of it. I'd like him to explain why players were willing to defer money to try and land Santana, who they desperately wanted and clearly weren't getting more from Rogers for.

[BTS]

He also guarantees that payroll restrictions had nothing to do with the failure to improve the team at the trade deadline. I don't believe anything he says, but thats just me.

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/beeston-blue-jays-expect-payroll-to-rise-in-2015/

 

The only conclusion to be drawn if you believe this is that his management team is completely ineffective.

[GeorgiaPeach]

He also guarantees that payroll restrictions had nothing to do with the failure to improve the team at the trade deadline. I don't believe anything he says, but thats just me.

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/beeston-blue-jays-expect-payroll-to-rise-in-2015/

 

Odd that Beeston, an Executive/boss doesn't get raked over the coals for stating untruths about the direction of the Jays. But its not okay for Bautista or Janssen to express their unhappiness with what they're bosses are doing, knowing the Jays weren't even close to contending on paper or the field.

[HERPDERP]

of course payroll is going up - that is the cost of paying the salaries of our players that are currently going up.

 

But is the payroll going to increase enough to cover the costs of adding additional players/

[SAAviour]

He also said he is here for as long as Rogers wants him here. Sigh.

[G-Snarls]

of course payroll is going up - that is the cost of paying the salaries of our players that are currently going up.

 

But is the payroll going to increase enough to cover the costs of adding additional players/

 

Right

 

It's not good enough to cover the raises for a team that will be the same but a year older

 

Money to SP, BP, 2B and LF might be needed to actually make the team substantially better. Now AA has some salary to shed as well which will help but to really make the team better he needs to add.

[jaysfan2014]

Right

 

It's not good enough to cover the raises for a team that will be the same but a year older

 

Money to SP, BP, 2B and LF might be needed to actually make the team substantially better. Now AA has some salary to shed as well which will help but to really make the team better he needs to add.

 

Not sure about SP though considering the depth.. but the rest I agree with.

[G-Snarls]

Not sure about SP though considering the depth.. but the rest I agree with.

 

Yeah I meant to delete that and just say BP

[RealAccountant]

Odd that Beeston, an Executive/boss doesn't get raked over the coals for stating untruths about the direction of the Jays. But its not okay for Bautista or Janssen to express their unhappiness with what they're bosses are doing, knowing the Jays weren't even close to contending on paper or the field.

 

They were leading the wild card by 3 games at the end of July.

[GeorgiaPeach]

They were leading the wild card by 3 games at the end of July.

 

There's teams every year that play hot for particular stretches and just don't have the guns to get to the end. I called both years of non-playoffs when everyone was creaming themselves over the Marlins & Dickey trades.

 

Look at the Brewers....their team wasn't projected to do s*** and they were right there for a good chunk of the year.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

I get what they did in 2014 by standing pat. They already had a high payroll, were in first place for a while, starting pitching seemed to really click, etc. But now it has to be clear that there are holes. DFA infielders, no matter how many you hoard, cannot replace a good 2B that can provide positive WAR. Honestly, if they don't pick up a plus infielder somehow, plus re-sign Cabrera, or at the very minimum a Cabrera-lite candidate like Aoki *and* pick up 1-2 guys for the 'pen, no one will trust this admin anymore. Standing pat sort of made sense for 2014, after going all in for 2013, but 2015 is a different landscape.

[glory]

Yeah 2014 payroll increased because of backloaded contracts to existing players but that won't be the case in 2015 because declining options can lower payroll on its own. If they want to shed salary well below 2014 levels then they can do it without making a single trade. Just decline options.

 

If Beeston says payroll is going up, and it's reasonable to assume everyone with options except Lind and Happ will be declined, then if payroll doesn't improve Beeston is a snake and a liar. I think he is a snake and a liar so I'm not expecting a damn thing to increase except fan annoyance.

[RealAccountant]

There's teams every year that play hot for particular stretches and just don't have the guns to get to the end. I called both years of non-playoffs when everyone was creaming themselves over the Marlins & Dickey trades.

 

Look at the Brewers....their team wasn't projected to do s*** and they were right there for a good chunk of the year.

 

Jays downfall was not a result of playing over their head.

 

It was a result of AA morally crushing the spirit of the team by not showing any faith in them. Had AA made some moves, not major ones, to at least show that he was committed to improving the team, the moral spirit of the team would have risen and it could have been us playing in that wild card game tommorrow

 

Among the most effected was Casey Jansenn, whose performance fell in the toilet after the trade deadline

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Didn't Janssen's production falter after his really bad flu where he lost 15 pounds? I think he had issues coming back from that more than frustration regarding the last of trade deadline action.

[RealAccountant]

********.

 

If it were true that they tanked because they were "crushed" by not acquiring a player to help them (and they had small pick-ups prior to the deadline), they need a stint in a funny farm, not a trade for an upgrade at a position of need.

 

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Motivation is a thing, Look it up.

 

Motivation is generally what energizes, maintains, and controls behavior; it acts as a stimulus for desirable actions.

 

The importance of motivation in the workplace is straightforward theoretically, but difficult to measure empirically.

 

Salary is often enough to keep employees working for an organization, but not necessarily enough to capitalize on their full potential.

 

Motivated employees will retain a high level of innovation while producing higher quality work at a higher level of efficiency.

[Mikeleelop]

Motivation is a thing, Look it up.

 

Motivation is generally what energizes, maintains, and controls behavior; it acts as a stimulus for desirable actions.

 

The importance of motivation in the workplace is straightforward theoretically, but difficult to measure empirically.

 

Salary is often enough to keep employees working for an organization, but not necessarily enough to capitalize on their full potential.

 

Motivated employees will retain a high level of innovation while producing higher quality work at a higher level of efficiency.

 

Professionalism is also a thing.......

 

How did the Royals manage to continue to win the wild card without a trade deadline acquisition??

[GeorgiaPeach]

Not at all comparable. Please tell me you can tell the difference.

 

Why are you so against employees airing clubhouse/personal gripes to the media?

 

It's like a zit that needed to be popped. No one was talking about it, everyone knows the Jays were s*** or the zit was there, it just finally got said from two tenured players. And I like it.

[Mikeleelop]

Their motivation was that they hadn't sniffed the playoffs as a Blue Jay ... ever ... and they were 1.5 GB of the division lead (with the nearest competitor 5 GB of the division lead), and they held a 3 game lead for the 2nd wildcard spot.

 

If that isn't enough motivation for you, you need to find another place of employ. I hear the jails are looking for a few unmotivated men.

 

Great point. Was their Million dollar contracts not motivating enough? How about playing for the next contract or playing for your spot on a 25 man roster next season?

 

Plus as Moogy points out the motivation of getting to the playoffs should be more than adequate motivation for any self respecting professional baseball player

[GeorgiaPeach]

Professionalism is also a thing.......

 

How did the Royals manage to continue to win the wild card without a trade deadline acquisition??

 

Seeing as the Yankees run a tight ship of professionalism why didn't they make the playoffs?

 

skill, or lack thereof.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Their motivation was that they hadn't sniffed the playoffs as a Blue Jay ... ever ... and they were 1.5 GB of the division lead (with the nearest competitor 5 GB of the division lead), and they held a 3 game lead for the 2nd wildcard spot.

 

If that isn't enough motivation for you, you need to find another place of employ. I hear the jails are looking for a few unmotivated men.

 

Explain who it is I should be more motivated to work for?

 

Inmates-? Maybe a little, respect is mutual

Managers-? I do as I'm asked.

Peers-? They're assigned to do tasks as well

Myself-? The less stressed/worked I am, the better for me!!!

The Public-? I'm doing my tasks I'm assigned.

[Mikeleelop]

Jays downfall was not a result of playing over their head.

 

It was a result of AA morally crushing the spirit of the team by not showing any faith in them. Had AA made some moves, not major ones, to at least show that he was committed to improving the team, the moral spirit of the team would have risen and it could have been us playing in that wild card game tommorrow

 

Among the most effected was Casey Jansenn, whose performance fell in the toilet after the trade deadline

 

Wasn't AA actually showing faith in all the players on the roster by not making a trade?? Wouldn't some players see it as "wow, AA thinks I can get the job done. I will do my job to the best of my ability and show people that he was right"??

[Mikeleelop]

Seeing as the Yankees run a tight ship of professionalism why didn't they make the playoffs?

 

skill, or lack thereof.

 

yes that is true. The reason for missing the playoffs was not a loss of motivation. Same as Toronto

[GeorgiaPeach]

Great point. Was their Million dollar contracts not motivating enough? How about playing for the next contract or playing for your spot on a 25 man roster next season?

 

Plus as Moogy points out the motivation of getting to the playoffs should be more than adequate motivation for any self respecting professional baseball player

 

You can only motivate yourself so much and then skill rears its ugly head.

 

And unfortunately in July/August the Jays were trotting out a AAA lineup.

[Mikeleelop]

Why are you so against employees airing clubhouse/personal gripes to the media?

 

It's like a zit that needed to be popped. No one was talking about it, everyone knows the Jays were s*** or the zit was there, it just finally got said from two tenured players. And I like it.

 

and one player looks good because he continued to perform like he was paid to do

 

the other looks like a whiny bitch who could not take care of himself and s*** the bed when the team needed him the most

 

complaining to the media is great for the fans. but it usually turns out bad for the team. keep your disputes in house

[GeorgiaPeach]

and one player looks good because he continued to perform like he was paid to do

 

the other looks like a whiny bitch who could not take care of himself and s*** the bed when the team needed him the most

 

complaining to the media is great for the fans. but it usually turns out bad for the team. keep your disputes in house

 

But the people running the team, who the players would be airing their complaints to internally opposed to the media, are the same people who ran the team off the rails in Nov/Dec 2012. So why show respect to the people who are trying to hide the fact they f***ed up and continue to bury the team due to incompetence.

 

Sorry, just because Paul Beeston and Alex are "Management" doesn't mean they skate on being a couple of inept f***s and should be shielded by players from any scathing media or public backlash.

[G-Snarls]

You can only motivate yourself so much and then skill rears its ugly head.

 

And unfortunately in July/August the Jays were trotting out a AAA lineup.

 

I remember us calling it "Bautista and the Bisons"

 

Very apt

[RealAccountant]

I dont doubt the lack of depth was partially to blame, however it was in AA's power to address the depth issues at the deadline. Other than Valencia there were no other moves made, and the Valencia move actually hurt us because of Kratz.

[G-Snarls]

I dont doubt the lack of depth was partially to blame, however it was in AA's power to address the depth issues at the deadline. Other than Valencia there were no other moves made, and the Valencia move actually hurt us because of Kratz.

 

I blame the Dickey/Thole combo for making Kratz seemingly expendable. They should have jettisoned Thole last year IYAM. Even AA knows that Kratz is better than Thole. And Gibby sure as Hell does.