Beeston on the Fan - You know Payroll is going higher in 2015

[Boxcar]

Lackey one year for free is probably better value than 4 years of Kelly doing whatever.

 

Lackey is old, though. Everyone should retire after the age of 25.

[Boxcar]

Anger is a natural product of dealing with these repressed thoughts. This is actually a positive step, but we have to be sure to steer it back in the right direction.

 

 

 

 

 

Do you want to physically harm someone? Do you feel compelled to act on these impulses?

 

 

 

 

 

We can't lie to ourselves in this process. Be open with me ... and yourself. Only you can help you. And prevent forest fires.

 

Jesus Christ, I am enjoying this too much.

[jaysfan2014]

Lackey is old, though. Everyone should retire after the age of 25.

 

What JFaS meant was that Kelly isn't that great, and may end up a bullpen arm, which is what the Cards thought of him (he was a long-man for a while). Kelly continues to have control issues in Boston, like he did in St. Louis.

[reedjohnsonfan]

If payroll doesn't go up and they don't get some nice additions this off season then I suggest they blow it up. They have a nice core of young pitchers but not enough time to wait around until all of them hit their prime. This team has been pretenders every season they are decent. It's time to either address the issues or sell.

[ElNik2013]

If payroll doesn't go up and they don't get some nice additions this off season then I suggest they blow it up. They have a nice core of young pitchers but not enough time to wait around until all of them hit their prime. This team has been pretenders every season they are decent. It's time to either address the issues or sell.

 

 

Won't happen.

[ElNik2013]

Odd that Beeston, an Executive/boss doesn't get raked over the coals for stating untruths about the direction of the Jays. But its not okay for Bautista or Janssen to express their unhappiness with what they're bosses are doing, knowing the Jays weren't even close to contending on paper or the field.

 

 

If Bautista and Janssen knew the Jays "weren't even close to contending on paper or the field", then why would they criticize the team for not getting the Prados or Headleys of the baseball world?

 

I guess they should've traded Pompey, Stroman and Norris for Shark...

[ElNik2013]

So The Beest isn't going anywhere unless Rogers cans him, this is the most important tidbit to come out of this.

 

This clearly means the owners of the franchise are satisfied with the job The Beest and The Feast are doing...so please, stop whining about the GM and President. Or, just buy the team and run it how you see fit which would've meant 100 losses in 2013 and 2014 with lower attendance and tv viewership.

[GeorgiaPeach]

So The Beest isn't going anywhere unless Rogers cans him, this is the most important tidbit to come out of this.

 

This clearly means the owners of the franchise are satisfied with the job The Beest and The Feast are doing...so please, stop whining about the GM and President. Or, just buy the team and run it how you see fit which would've meant 100 losses in 2013 and 2014 with lower attendance and tv viewership.

 

Losing 100 games isn't easy. And we weren't even close to that, prior to the Marlins or Dickey deal.

[glory]

So The Beest isn't going anywhere unless Rogers cans him, this is the most important tidbit to come out of this.

 

This clearly means the owners of the franchise are satisfied with the job The Beest and The Feast are doing...so please, stop whining about the GM and President. Or, just buy the team and run it how you see fit which would've meant 100 losses in 2013 and 2014 with lower attendance and tv viewership.

 

Beeston and AA are company yes men. Rogers has no reason to let them go. When they say jump, Alex (despite what is probably a terrible vertical leap) will try his best to get his feet off the ground, and Beeston would be right there with him. As long as Rogers is making money off the team, they won't make any changes.

[ElNik2013]

Beeston and AA are company yes men. Rogers has no reason to let them go. When they say jump, Alex (despite what is probably a terrible vertical leap) will try his best to get his feet off the ground, and Beeston would be right there with him. As long as Rogers is making money off the team, they won't make any changes.

 

 

Most of us are company "yes men" to some extent. If, like you say, Rogers is making money off the team, then AA and Beeston have done their jobs...at least as far as the owner is concerned, which is all that matters.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

He also said he is here for as long as Rogers wants him here. Sigh.

I'm thinking the playoff-less streak will hit at least 30. None of the cronies will ever willingly leave and they won't be held accountable.

 

I've been one to defend Rogers and still find the whining about money to be overblown, but it's undeniable now that they are terrible owners who couldn't care less about winning.

[ElNik2013]

Losing 100 games isn't easy. And we weren't even close to that, prior to the Marlins or Dickey deal.

 

 

Please go back and look at what the starting rotation was expected to be prior to the trades, here's a hint: Morrow, Alvarez and Happ would've been your top 3.

As it turned out, Morrow ended up being out for a good chunk of the season so it would've been worse than that. Maybe 100 losses is an exaggeration, but the bigger point is that expectations would've been very low as would attendance and tv ratings.

 

Now, that's not to say I agree with the direction they took. I would've been fine with sticking waiting for the farm to pay dividends. However, I can sort of understand a franchise owned by the sports channel that broadcasts its games not wanting to go into a season expecting to be one a bottom 5 team in all of baseball.

 

Anyway, they own the team and if Beeston and AA still have jobs, it means they've done a good enough job in the eyes of the owners of the franchise.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Please go back and look at what the starting rotation was expected to be prior to the trades, here's a hint: Morrow, Alvarez and Happ would've been your top 3.

As it turned out, Morrow ended up being out for a good chunk of the season so it would've been worse than that. Maybe 100 losses is an exaggeration, but the bigger point is that expectations would've been very low as would attendance and tv ratings.

 

I still find it sad when people who refer to themselves as a particular sports fan will stop watching or going to games if their team loses. It would be similar to the fact that if that same person/"fan" played organized sports, be it baseball, hockey, football, basketball and because the team they played on lost they stopped playing because they didn't like losing. IMO you either love something or you don't. And if you say you love it and walk away at the first hint of losing, you're not a fan.

 

Now, that's not to say I agree with the direction they took. I would've been fine with sticking waiting for the farm to pay dividends. However, I can sort of understand a franchise owned by the sports channel that broadcasts its games not wanting to go into a season expecting to be one a bottom 5 team in all of baseball.

 

In reading what you just wrote there, it reinforces my thoughts of the Jays doing what the Leafs use to do in the 80's & 90's. Load the team up with name players (has-beens) who the fans can associate and love based on past performance. And ownership being content not to be the worst, but never good enough to make a run to the final. And having the names on the field to make it appear they're fielding a quality team and the names fans remember from the past drawing them to the park and the TV being the ultimate reason for carrying on.

 

Anyway, they own the team and if Beeston and AA still have jobs, it means they've done a good enough job in the eyes of the owners of the franchise.

 

Yep. The same could be said for Philadelphia's owners and RAJ

[ElNik2013]

I still find it sad when people who refer to themselves as a particular sports fan will stop watching or going to games if their team loses. It would be similar to the fact that if that same person/"fan" played organized sports, be it baseball, hockey, football, basketball and because the team they played on lost they stopped playing because they didn't like losing. IMO you either love something or you don't. And if you say you love it and walk away at the first hint of losing, you're not a fan.

 

It would be great if this wasn't the case, but it's the case for most sports franchises.

 

In reading what you just wrote there, it reinforces my thoughts of the Jays doing what the Leafs use to do in the 80's & 90's. Load the team up with name players (has-beens) who the fans can associate and love based on past performance. And ownership being content not to be the worst, but never good enough to make a run to the final. And having the names on the field to make it appear they're fielding a quality team and the names fans remember from the past drawing them to the park and the TV being the ultimate reason for carrying on.

 

 

I do think this is partly how the Jays are run and why I think it's a bit misguided to get all worked up about the GM or team President since they're trying to execute the mandate set out by the owners. In my opinion, this vision is to not let the team be so bad that the attendance and tv ratings will cause them to lose money.

 

 

Yep. The same could be said for Philadelphia's owners and RAJ

 

 

In my opinion, owners set the vision for each franchise. I really think the Cards and Rays' success starts with their owners. It applies to all franchises. Now, AA should've done better in the trades, no doubt about it, but if the owners wanted efficiency, they would've probably never even approved the trades or already fired the President and GM for making them...unless they've made enough $ the last 2 years that they figured they wouldn't have made had they let the team lose 90-100 games in 2013 and 14.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

The Term " Fickle Fan" or " Bandwagon Jumper" define most sports fans!

 

Attendance spikes are them, not fans!

 

But you will say but Bouncey what about the leafs?

 

Explain that? Lol

 

I believe the leafs and correct me if I am wrong, most season tickets are owned by corporate or companies not individuals or common folk!

[GeorgiaPeach]

Well, it was a team coming off a 73 win (and 89 loss season), and that was with Alvarez contributing 31 starts (and the next year he missed substantial time with shoulder woes), and Romero contributing 32 starts (and the next year he would prove to be entirely beyond worthless) and Morrow pitching well over 124.1 innings, while the subsequent year he contributed reliever innings, and pitched poorly doing so ... with Laffey (disaster), Drabek (total flameout), Hutchison (TJ surgery the subsequent year) and Villaneuva (FA the following year) contributing the bulk of the remaining starter innings.

 

In 2013, the starting rotation would have been a disaster of epic proportions. 100 losses was possible.

 

100 losses is possible from any team in any season.

 

 

I'm disappointed you gave up therapy so soon after requesting it. I'm here for you when you want to get to the heart of your issues and attempt to become the man you can be.

 

I realized I don't need it.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Participating in a sport and watching a sport are two entirely different things.

 

One is an activity ... it's a goal ... it's exercise ... it's achievement ... it's (sometimes) teamwork and camaraderie ... it's being involved ... it's improving one's self ... it's a whole lot of things

 

The other is entertainment ... passive, doing nothing but watching (and being a cheerleader, if that's your thing).

 

They are not comparable.

 

I guess it depends on the person. I've never actually quit a team that was losing or bad, but I've had people on teams who did.

 

Reasons I've left teams.

 

*The team was too good and pretty much didn't try against other teams. Hitting bombs and stopping at 1b every AB

*On a co-ed team, women on the team collectively said they would not condone "violence" from our players defending a teammate of ours from assault from another team's player. Had to listen to that yakking for way too long.

*Just left a team due to non-committed players who can't decide whether they're wanna play or do other things in life and call at the last minute leaving the team short players.

[ElNik2013]

Since no one posted direct quotes from this interview, here's a recap from BBB:

 

http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2014/10/3/6900875/paul-beeston-talks

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

I have a question of our arbitration eligible players what are realistic values they are going to get on their deals?

 

How much will they add to current payroll?

Edited October 4, 2014 by BigBounceyBlueBalls

[goeb]

sounds more like an excuse to fall back on if things went in the shitter

 

Does a guy like Bautista really need to look for a fall back as to why this team didn't make the playoffs? He was nothing short of impeccable in the 2nd half (heck, he was the only exciting thing about Blue Jays baseball in the 2nd half), he did just about everything he could to keep this team competitive. I don't think he would be looking for excuses as to why his team faltered when he doesn't have much control over how his teammates perform.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Does a guy like Bautista really need to look for a fall back as to why this team didn't make the playoffs? He was nothing short of impeccable in the 2nd half (heck, he was the only exciting thing about Blue Jays baseball in the 2nd half), he did just about everything he could to keep this team competitive. I don't think he would be looking for excuses as to why his team faltered when he doesn't have much control over how his teammates perform.

 

Marcus Stroman says hi !

[GeorgiaPeach]

This has nothing to do with anything I talked about. There's no equivalency between quitting cheering for a team, for whatever reason, and quitting a competitive sport, whatever the reason.

 

I can't think of a reason why a "baseball fan" would stop watching baseball or their team.

 

Aside from going blind, or drastic changes to the actual game.

Edited October 4, 2014 by GeorgiaPeach

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

I can't think of a reason why a "baseball fan" would stop watching baseball or their team.

 

Aside from going blind, or drastic changes to the actual game.

 

When you have terrible ownership that literally only cares about turning a profit, it's the only way you can send a message that the product that they're selling isn't good enough. God knows Rogers isn't going to take the initiative themselves to hold the Three Stooges accountable, that has officially been proven.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I don't believe you that you can't think of reasons other than what you stated.

 

People start rooting for teams for various reasons ... And not all of them make "sense," because often times you pick favorite teams when you're a kid. You might start cheering for a particular player, and then find yourself cheering for that team over time. That team might change dramatically and you find another team to root for. You might be a home town guy, and change home towns. You might grow attached to a management team or style, and chase that. And, being that sitting and watching someone else play baseball is entertainment, you might find that organization so inept and/or boring, that watching them isn't entertaining, so you find something that is. And I'm sure there are many other reasons.

 

Again, it's entertainment. You might like TV crime dramas, and find one you like, but then you find one you like better, or stop finding the old show worthwhile, so you move on.

 

It's actually less rational to pick a team and then continue rooting for that team, no matter what.

 

And that's just the selection of your favorite team ... The game itself? People evolve. You may not, but many others do. Their tastes may change, the may grow sick of certain aspects of the game, they may have other things that take precedence over following what some dude who hits a ball is doing tonight. It's very normal and very basic.

 

Agreed