Clubhouse drama

[GeorgiaPeach]

Uh, what?

 

You don't really seem to understand what people are talking about.

 

I predicted the Jays for last place in the AL East this year. I was against the Marlins trade from the word "trade" (I predicted them as 4th place last year). I have suggested a rebuild is the only way to go. I have not wavered from my prediction that they won't make the playoffs this year.

 

Well it appears you & I are on the same page up to this point, except I was looking for a re-tool since the end of the 2010 season.

 

And I only ever suggested Stroman and Hutchison for Price IF the team thought they were a playoff team, and they had financial flexibility to absorb the cost (and then not be hamstrung thereafter).

 

I'm not a fan of ever selling out big chunks of the future for a short chance at making the playoffs or WS run.

 

Of course, I've explained this all before, and you're still saying these things, which means you won't get it now.

 

You're giving me your opinion which means shite. I use to think Alex was a great GM, he has glaring weaknesses now and is merely an average GM. If he gave me his opinion I'd be like....okay.

 

Here, I was only commenting on BTS's use of evidence as to why they aren't a playoff team. He conveniently highlighted their run differential and their games above .500. Which is silly. Because he thought they weren't a playoff team before, even when they had a much better run differential and record.

 

And, no, they aren't a playoff team. But, again, this will all be lost on you.

 

Not lost on me at all. I didn't buy into any of the hype post Marlins & Dickey trade, pre-2013 season. The team was a slightly better than average team on paper.

[DuckDuckGose]

Oh my god. It's like talking to an autistic person. They're there, but they're not really "there." For instance, your earlier "face it" comment made absolutely NO sense, given what you were replying to ... and then when I explained why, you assert it wasn't lost on you, despite the fact that, if it wasn't lost on you, you couldn't have made your earlier comment. And your subsequent commentary was completely irrelevant. And you just soldier on.

 

And why do you think you're mature?

[leaffie]

When the lineup was littered with AAA & bench players did you expect the record to be better?

 

This has nothing to do with their record, and I never said it did.

 

Yes, I expect the players to at least be able to do their jobs. Catch a ball in center field. Have a right fielder that knows which way to turn when he is running to the wall, pitchers that can come out and not walk the first player they face.

Shortstops that look like they know what they are doing. Bench players or not, they made it to the majors. Play like a major leaguer.

[saskjayfan]

So then you concede the Jays aren't contenders?

 

he'll concede that the jays aren't contenders just as soon as you concede that Sanchez is a good pitcher. Ha!

[GD]

he'll concede that the jays aren't contenders just as soon as you concede that Sanchez is a good pitcher. Ha!

 

generally conceding something means it's true

 

Sanchez has actually been pretty ok I'm just here for the chirps

[saskjayfan]

Sanchez is a very good pitcher.

 

I know you don't mean aaron sanchez....lol

[saskjayfan]

generally conceding something means it's true

 

Sanchez has actually been pretty ok I'm just here for the chirps

 

Are you saying you think Aaron Sanchez is not a good pitcher? Why so young maestro?

[GD]

Are you saying you think Aaron Sanchez is not a good pitcher? Why so young maestro?

 

Lol read the white text

[Slugger]

Yeah what a whiny ass bitch

 

Glad this team will never have a superstar offensive jagernuat like him again

 

After Delgado left we had 6 years with one of the weakest middle orders on bsseball

A carossell of the likes of Troy Glaus Vernon Wells old Frank Thomas Alex Rios Lyle Overbay

 

Prepare for those days again. Since this team doesn't sign free agents and no power bat is really on its way. It will likely be a decade before this team sees a player like Bautista again.

 

I don't know why I must retort posts like this...but.

 

Do you mean the Troy Glaus you hit 38 homeruns and posted a .868 OPS in 2006? Or the same Vernon Wells who hit 32 homeruns and posted a .899 OPS that same year? Get a f***in' clue.

[GeorgiaPeach]

This has nothing to do with their record, and I never said it did.

 

Yes, I expect the players to at least be able to do their jobs. Catch a ball in center field. Have a right fielder that knows which way to turn when he is running to the wall, pitchers that can come out and not walk the first player they face.

Shortstops that look like they know what they are doing. Bench players or not, they made it to the majors. Play like a major leaguer.

 

IMO, when the Jays were fully healthy, the roster I saw didn't scream playoffs or contenders. Now they could've been good enough to fluke their way in, but who really wants their team to fluke their way to anything.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Oh my god. It's like talking to an autistic person. They're there, but they're not really "there." For instance, your earlier "face it" comment made absolutely NO sense, given what you were replying to ... and then when I explained why, you assert it wasn't lost on you, despite the fact that, if it wasn't lost on you, you couldn't have made your earlier comment. And your subsequent commentary was completely irrelevant. And you just soldier on.

 

Where did I ever say the Jays were there?

[BigCecil]

he'll concede that the jays aren't contenders just as soon as you concede that Sanchez is a good pitcher. Ha!

 

Sanchez is a good prospect with + stuff and command issues that I think will show up in MLB the more he pitches in leveraged situations.

 

Last night he got lucky on hangers to Reynolds after a BB and hit in inning.

 

We don't know if he is a good pitcher yet but its been fun to watch.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Because the normal black text isn't good enough for you?

 

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/racist1.gif

 

Who f***ing cares about racism?

[GeorgiaPeach]

Your comment makes no sense. It replies to absolutely nothing I've said.

 

Stroman & Hutch for Price.....bwahahahaha

[GeorgiaPeach]

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_super/0/4355/1145798-941670_937204_facepalm_implied_super_super.jpg

 

Shouldn't you have linked the pic up when you suggested trading two cost controlled pitchers for an expensive short term rental that would've impacted other critical roster decisions for following year.

 

And there's always a place for racism.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Can you go have your imaginary conversation quietly, with yourself? If you want to chat about what I'm actually saying, give me a holla, yo.

 

Sure thing bredren.

[GeorgiaPeach]

A wise man once said ...

 

Can you go have your imaginary conversation quietly, with yourself? If you want to chat about what I'm actually saying, give me a holla, yo.

 

You might as well just start putting random words down on the figurative internet paper.

 

Blue.

Pepper.

Snail.

 

All of these things are as relevant as your last 5 or so posts. Holy crazy.

 

You suggesting a mid-market team trading Stroman and Hutch for Price is crazy.

 

Both criteria you attached to the hypothetical situation aren't even close to happening, so why even suggest doing a trade like that.

[GeorgiaPeach]

It was a hypothetical. Why are you having such a hard time processing that? Seriously. I'm asking. Do you have a legitimate mental disorder that would prohibit you from processing that information, and responding accordingly? If so, I'll stop bringing it up, because that would be rude. If not, why are you intentionally trolling? There's no other possibility. You're either legitimate handicapped, or trolling hard.

 

If I have handicap, can you get in touch with the guy that decapitated James Foley in Iraq?

 

I don't want to live any longer if that's the case.

[Vincent]

^...... the f***?

[GeorgiaPeach]

And I'll keep coming back to your stupid hypothetical, because a hypothetical knows no boundary.

 

Here I'll play.

 

If Alex Anthpoulous hypothetically fathered every MLB player and they all wanted to play for their Dad. And Alex picked all the best players in MLB, do you think the Jays would win?

 

OMG, hypotheticals are sooooo f***ing fun.

 

Jays are the best!!!

[GeorgiaPeach]

^...... the f***?

 

It's pretty easy to figure out.

[Vincent]

Fight! Fight! Fight!

[HERPDERP]

Fight! Fight! Fight!

 

http://i.imgur.com/GAn9H5V.gif

[wardhenke1]

I wish you the best, my man. There are a good number of avenues to help you out. Consult a family member or a close friend and they can work you through it.

 

Ever heard of Dillon Taylor, 20, who was from Salt Lake? No? But I bet you've heard of Michael Brown - who hasn't?

 

This is why I f***ing hate sheeple who bleat racism without f***ing thinking.

[IBTrini]

Give me a summary of what Janssen said please.

"I just think, from an overall perspective of all these teams getting better, we know it's going to be a tough time for us," closer Casey Janssen said. "One that isn't impossible, but we're going to have to do everything right.

"Obviously, we value our prospects, we value our players, I'm sure the other teams do as well. Maybe they just value the player or the opportunity to get into the playoffs more. It takes something to get something, and congratulations to those teams that got those guys."

"We've heard [about] '92, '93, and I think we're tired of hearing it," Janssen said of the club's World Series runs. "We want to put our stamp on Toronto and across baseball. For me, in my eight years here, I've never been this close, never had such an opportunity to make it into the playoffs, and I think that's where this excitement level for this Trade Deadline was.

"It's finally our time, [we're] finally beating down the door, and we wanted to come on the scene as strong as we can. Like I said, it didn't happen, we just have to regroup and go about our business again."

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"All I'm going to say is that it gets to a point for everybody's situation and everybody's job where trying and excuses are not good enough," slugger Jose Bautista said.

"For everybody's sake I hope we all play great from now until the end of the season. I'm one of those guys that really wants to win, and I've been playing for a long time and never experienced it. It's a little bit of a disappointment for me, but as a player I've got to look past it and just focus on what we've got tonight."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/blue-jays-disappointed-at-lack-of-deadline-moves?ymd=20140731&content_id=87328076&vkey=news_mlb

 

Some more quotes here but I am not sure about the accuracy:

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/01/jose-bautista-casey-janssen-frustrated-and-disappointed-by-blue-jays-lack-of-trade-deadline-activity/

Edited August 21, 2014 by IBTrini
Added another link

[jays76]

My two cents is I commend Bautista for airing his disdain. I mean sure it was juvenile, immature, and unprofessional but as the leader of the team he represented the players in the clubhouse and a large majority of the fans who were pissed off at the front office for coming up lame this ENTIRE year. Imho good for him because they needed to be called out, condescended to, and mocked for their ineptness after repeated proclamations of "If we ever get into a position to compete the money will be there when the time comes". Well the time came and we got into that position but they didn't do sweet f*** all! At the end of the day that's the bane of the frustration from the players and like minded fans and I totally get it.

 

You can break it down in regards to the market and the limited amount of players available, overpaying for the players who were available, gutting the farm and destroying the future for a team that's potentially mediocre, looking at the teams who didn't do anything and are surging now and alternatively the teams that did do something who are now struggling.. but the fact remains this team was in the AL East fighting for a pennant and 3 games up in the Wildcard race on the Jul 31st deadline, this for a team who had not even had a sniff of the playoffs in the past 2 decades.

 

Front Office dropped the ball, they should have recognized an opportunity was there and seized the moment to capitalize on the momentum this team had built up and all of the excitement in the city. In any business windows of opportunity present themselves and it's all about the timing, it was stupid to still be in the mindset of being hamstrung by the failures of 2013 when the landscape had shifted for this team on Jul 31st 2014. We'll never know how things would've went if they got someone but its pretty obvious how it's gone without them getting someone. Should this team have rallied together and stepped to do their job since they're all millionaires and paid professionals? Sure. But the reality is the morale was effected in the clubhouse/fanbase by the broken promises of management. Promises that I doubt were made for all of the other teams on a current upswing who don't play in the AL East where you have minimal windows of opportunity. Did KC's GM get everyone's hopes up by saying money was there when it wasn't? If he had maybe there would've been a big letdown there instead of here, but thankfully for them I think they always knew where they stood. If anyone's to blame here for the bad culture, etc. it's starting from the very top..

Edited August 22, 2014 by jays76

[ElNik2013]

I, for one, am glad the Jays didn't listen to Bautista or Janssen. In July 2012 (I think), Bautista mentioned something about some promise that was made to him about improving the team. Later in July, the Happ trade happened. Later in 2012, the team shifted gears from a long term outlook to "win now" mode.

[BigCecil]

My two cents is I commend Bautista for airing his disdain. I mean sure it was juvenile, immature, and unprofessional but as the leader of the team he represented the players in the clubhouse and a large majority of the fans who were pissed off at the front office for coming up lame this ENTIRE year. Imho good for him because they needed to be called out, condescended to, and mocked for their ineptness after repeated proclamations of "If we ever get into a position to compete the money will be there when the time comes". Well the time came and we got into that position but they didn't do sweet f*** all! At the end of the day that's the bane of the frustration from the players and like minded fans and I totally get it.

 

You can break it down in regards to the market and the limited amount of players available, overpaying for the players who were available, gutting the farm and destroying the future for a team that's potentially mediocre, looking at the teams who didn't do anything and are surging now and alternatively the teams that did do something who are now struggling.. but the fact remains this team was in the AL East fighting for a pennant and 3 games up in the Wildcard race on the Jul 31st deadline, this for a team who had not even had a sniff of the playoffs in the past 2 decades.

 

Front Office dropped the ball, they should have recognized an opportunity was there and seized the moment to capitalize on the momentum this team had built up and all of the excitement in the city. In any business windows of opportunity present themselves and it's all about the timing, it was stupid to still be in the mindset of being hamstrung by the failures of 2013 when the landscape had shifted for this team on Jul 31st 2014. We'll never know how things would've went if they got someone but its pretty obvious how it's gone without them getting someone. Should this team have rallied together and stepped to do their job since they're all millionaires and paid professionals? Sure. But the reality is the morale was effected in the clubhouse/fanbase by the broken promises of management. Promises that I doubt were made for all of the other teams on a current upswing who don't play in the AL East where you have minimal windows of opportunity. Did KC's GM get everyone's hopes up by saying money was there when it wasn't? If he had maybe there would've been a big letdown there instead of here, but thankfully for them I think they always knew where they stood. If anyone's to blame here for the bad culture, etc. it's starting from the very top..

 

Prado, Headley and McCarthy haven't been world beaters for NYY but they are proven MLB talent over the replacement level scrubs we have rolled out when we got hit with injuries. Seems to be working for them considering their entire rotation was in triage. We need to address holes before Lind, Edwin and Lawrie went down.

 

We will never know what those sort of upgrades might have done to end the spiral and loss of division lead/WC.

 

Its just my opinion but I think some people are way ahead of themselves on Stro and Sanchez as impressive as they have been at times. Always focussed on next yr.

[z3r0s]

So assuming Bautista asks for a trade in the offseason, what does everyone want (realistically) for him?

 

At first glance I would not be opposed to a deal from the Cardinals for say Wong + Miller + Piscotty. Realistically you won't get Tavares because the Cardinals are to smart to trade a cheap possible star, while Wong and Piscotty could provide close to .800 OPS offense for the prime of their careers at 2B and RF while Miller would slot in the back of the rotation as a Hutchison like arm who we can rely on instantly putting in the rotation.

 

Depends if you want to go full re-build. I wonder if the Cubbies would want Jose (depends when they want to go for it). They may want to use Starlin to get pitching, but a deal based on Starlin and Alcantara would be interesting (probably more pieces involved). Gives us our MIF for the next 6 years. Lets us trade Reyes at the same time.

 

For the Cubs it gives them a nice veteran bat to anchor the middle of the lineup with Rizzo. They don't have an IF spot for Alcantara anyway and lets them bring up Russell. They need a CF, but having Soler and Bautista in the OF corners is pretty appealing.

[Sorrow]

Depends if you want to go full re-build. I wonder if the Cubbies would want Jose (depends when they want to go for it). They may want to use Starlin to get pitching, but a deal based on Starlin and Alcantara would be interesting (probably more pieces involved). Gives us our MIF for the next 6 years. Lets us trade Reyes at the same time.

 

For the Cubs it gives them a nice veteran bat to anchor the middle of the lineup with Rizzo. They don't have an IF spot for Alcantara anyway and lets them bring up Russell. They need a CF, but having Soler and Bautista in the OF corners is pretty appealing.

 

Isn't Alcantara their CF right now? I'm also sure Junior Lake (though he hasn't been great) could slot into CF. They have the depth in the minors for CF but it's a few years away.