Offseason roster thread 2014

[Angrioter]

"A lot of games". The difference between the most elite bullpen in baseball and a replacement one is not even 5 wins.

 

Royals #1 - Mets #30 = 7,5 Wins

http://i.snag.gy/9E3vr.jpg

....but we aren't the Mets

[reedjohnsonfan]

They have the same question marks that they had at the beginning of the offseason, even more with the departure of Lind. Being really top heavy is probably a terrible way to build a team, are we allowed to be mad that they didn't address the obvious problems?

[Orgfiller]

Royals #1 - Mets #30 = 7,5 Wins

http://i.snag.gy/9E3vr.jpg

....but we aren't the Mets

 

#1 to replacement was actually 5.9 wins. The Mets were far below replacement.

[Angrioter]

#1 to replacement was actually 5.9 wins. The Mets were far below replacement.

 

I didn't referred to the RL, I referred to the worst in the league.

WAR = Wins

[Gorlak]

"A lot of games". The difference between the most elite bullpen in baseball and a replacement one is not even 5 wins.

 

The difference was also over 100 runs. May be 5 WAR, but it could cost more than 5 wins. I think a poor bullpen will lead to bad results from sequencing and a team that underperforms its pythag, I admit I have nothing to back that up though.

[RealAccountant]

#1 to replacement was actually 5.9 wins. The Mets were far below replacement.

 

Not all innings are worth the same. Innings that are in close or leading games should be worth a lot more.

 

Getting 3 outs in the ninth are more valuable than getting 6 outs in the 3rd and the 4th

[Angrioter]

Not all innings are worth the same. Innings that are in close or leading games should be worth a lot more.

 

Getting 3 outs in the ninth are more valuable than getting 6 outs in the 3rd and the 4th

 

What?

Sometimes the "SAVE" is achieved in the 6th, 7th or 8th inning. Everything in context. #SAVEZandHOLDZ

[RealAccountant]

You're just talking about leverage, which is included in reliever WAR.

 

Oh is it. I didn't know that.

[RealAccountant]

Team needs depth.

[G-Snarls]

Sorry if posted already

 

Ben Nicholson Smith article in Sports Weekly USA Today on the Jays roster. VERY in depth.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2015/02/04/toronto-blue-jays-organizational-report/22863357/

[Deadpool]

Not all innings are worth the same. Innings that are in close or leading games should be worth a lot more.

 

Getting 3 outs in the ninth are more valuable than getting 6 outs in the 3rd and the 4th

 

Getting 3 outs when you come in with the bases loaded and nobody out in the 3rd can be more valuable than coming in with nobody on in the 9th. (assuming the game isn't already out of reach in the former situation...)

[Angrioter]

2 guys, 11 Wins

http://i.snag.gy/o8XgI.jpg

 

We traded for Donaldson!!

[z3r0s]

Man Tulo could be amazing if he could stay healthy

[RealAccountant]

I just an am not understanding why it's so hard to add some depth here. We have a good core and yet we are sacrificing the back end to save a few bucks

[TwistedLogic]

I just an am not understanding why it's so hard to add some depth here. We have a good core and yet we are sacrificing the back end to save a few bucks

 

You're such a f***ing imbecile. Every single time the Jays have made a depth signing this offseason, you were right there to bitch and complain about it; now you're bitching about there not being enough depth? Really?

 

Re: Blue Jays sign Andy Dirks

 

You honestly dont need a source for this, nobody cares and it isn't thread worthy. Garbage signing, more wasting time by AA

 

Re: Blue Jays sign Matt West

 

AA is setting this bullpen up as a major weakness. With so many other posotive loves he is going cheap on an essential part of winning

 

Unless the pen is improved jays will likely be in major bullpen trouble by may/june with that same old song. One blown lead after another

 

Re: Blue Jays sign Ronald Belisario and Ramon Santiago

 

Ewww throwing money and games down the toilet

 

Re: Blue Jays sign Tiago Da Silva

 

Cant tell if serious or joking

 

Seriously just f*** off already. How you went from being a decent poster to utter garbage in the matter of a few months is beyond me, but all you are is a nuisance at this point. Cry to yourself, stop dragging everybody else down.

[Mikeleelop]

Twitter conversation regarding Bluejay payroll......

 

Passan gives a good link to Bluejay payroll spreadsheet. Nothing really new here but things don't add up

 

 

Mike Lopinski ‏@Mikeleelop · 11m11 minutes ago

So @JeffPassan says on @SNJeffBlair show that the Jays are $15million under last years payroll at this point, and that doesn't make sense

 

@SNJeffBlair · 9m9 minutes ago

@Mikeleelop @JeffPassan The fact is we don't know what the payroll is.

 

Mike Lopinski ‏@Mikeleelop · 8m8 minutes ago

@SNJeffBlair @JeffPassan but a simple comparison shows its lower than last year doesn't it? Beeston said it was going up

 

 

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan · 3m3 minutes ago

@Mikeleelop @SNJeffBlair Based on this, even if Donaldson wins arb case, payroll looks like it's around $125M.

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Ah4PW47PiAi-dGxHdU93c1NxcU9CUzRINmhBZy1RX1E&output=html …

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

11:37 AM - 9 Feb 2015 · Details

[Brownie19]

Royals #1 - Mets #30 = 7,5 Wins

http://i.snag.gy/9E3vr.jpg

....but we aren't the Mets

 

It's interesting to see contenders like the Dodgers, Tigers and Giants all listed below the Jays on that list...

[RealAccountant]

@twistedlogic

 

I'm talking about MLB depth and not AAA depth

 

Can't believe you did so much work for that post.

 

Respect

[RealAccountant]

It's interesting to see contenders like the Dodgers, Tigers and Giants all listed below the Jays on that list...

 

Having said that the President of the team made it clear that they would be under last years payroll

[TwistedLogic]

I'm talking about MLB depth and not AAA depth

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Loki-Facepalm-Gif-In-The-Avengers.gif

[TheHurl]

Tigers talking to the Jays about Navarro. Blaine Hardy?

[Angrioter]

@twistedlogic

 

I'm talking about MLB depth and not AAA depth

 

Can't believe you did so much work for that post.

 

Respect

 

25-man roster, no 60-man roster.

 

In some place your depth players should play.

[glory]

Yes, send Navarro to the Tigers. Make it happen.

[Angrioter]

Tigers talking to the Jays about Navarro. Blaine Hardy?

 

Blair.

 

Jason Beck ‏

#Tigers announce Victor Martinez tore his medial meniscus in left knee during workouts last week. Scheduled for surgery with Dr. Andrews

 

lol

 

 

Navarro to the Tigers?

 

 

After VMart injury

[KingKat]

Alburquerque please.

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL-burquerque.

 

[Laika]

Soria for Navarro! lol

[RIPEXPOS]

How we shore up the pen will determine how good we are. I'm content with the rotation with Estrada/Sanchez/Norris competing for the 5th spot. Should be solid/good I would think, barring a major Stroman setback.

 

The offence should be excellent, despite the whole at 2B.

 

An elite closer would do this team wonders, as I do like the rest of the pen as long as we get that true shutdown 9th inning guy.

[Laika]

How we shore up the pen will determine how good we are. I'm content with the rotation with Estrada/Sanchez/Norris competing for the 5th spot. Should be solid/good I would think, barring a major Stroman setback.

 

The offence should be excellent, despite the whole at 2B.

 

An elite closer would do this team wonders, as I do like the rest of the pen as long as we get that true shutdown 9th inning guy.

 

*hole

 

I think they should start the year with Sanchez in AAA starting, but if the pen blows it's nice that they can just go down there and grab an instant closer / setup man.

If he relieves this year it's not like they can't just transition him back to the rotation next season. Lots of guys break in as relievers for a year or two (see St Louis).

[Angrioter]

Soria for Navarro! lol

 

Lobstein?

[Sammy225]

So the Question is how desperate is Dombrowski right now lol.