Offseason roster thread 2014

[glory]

You're probably right, but what scares me is that what do they have after Estrada and Norris? Their SP depth is not great and if they signed/traded for a solid SP, you could move Sanchez to the BP, and if/when injuries happen you have Estrada as your replacement. Plus, you could also call up Norris and even send Sanchez down to stretch him out for a couple of weeks (a la Stroman) and then bring him back up to start.

 

I'd love to get Shields on a 3 year deal, but he will probably end up with a 5 year contract which I'd stay away from.

 

If Alex promotes players as rapidly as he did last season, they may have more internal options by mid-season, but yes after trading Graveman and Nolin the depth is not very strong. If Estrada can be an effective swing man, that would help a lot.

[Deadpool]

Not exactly "roster" per se, but Tim Langton has signed a 1 year deal to continue being the PA announcer at Rogers Centre. (Per: his daughter and I have a mutual friend...)

[Angrioter]

Happ, Nolin and Graveman out; Jays need add one or two depth guys.

[Deadpool]

Happ, Nolin and Graveman out; Jays need add one or two depth guys.

 

Juan Oramas probably covers the Graveman portion of the depth, IMO.

[KingKat]

Juan Oramas probably covers the Graveman portion of the depth, IMO.

 

They also re-acquired Hendriks which makes a lot more sense now than it did at the time. RosterResource says he still has options: http://www.rosterresource.com/mlb-toronto-blue-jays/

[Deadpool]

They also re-acquired Hendriks which makes a lot more sense now than it did at the time. RosterResource says he still has options: http://www.rosterresource.com/mlb-toronto-blue-jays/

 

And if you consider Estrada as a sort of Happesque piece, then that's 3 for 3 there... The quality of the lot is debatable, but the depth is the same, warm bodies wise.

[KingKat]

And if you consider Estrada as a sort of Happesque piece, then that's 3 for 3 there... The quality of the lot is debatable, but the depth is the same, warm bodies wise.

 

It's funny about Hendriks because I'm pretty sure everyobody was puzzled by his re-acquisition because we thought he was out of options but if RosterResource is right and he does have options, it sheds a whole new light on the trade.

[G-Snarls]

I can't believe BBREF doesn't have info on options. They really should.

[TheHurl]

I can't believe BBREF doesn't have info on options. They really should.

 

It's a really easy project if you have the initial date added to the 40 man. That info unfortunately involves scrounging transaction pages...and prior to 5 years ago that info isn't on transaction pages (only added to the 40 man and called up). Also you get those guys that get DFA'd and pass through waivers, that time in the minors does not count against.

[TheHurl]

They also re-acquired Hendriks which makes a lot more sense now than it did at the time. RosterResource says he still has options: http://www.rosterresource.com/mlb-toronto-blue-jays/

 

He used up an option in 2012 (spent 3 months in the minors), 2013 and 2014. Pretty sure of this one.

[KingKat]

He used up an option in 2012 (spent 3 months in the minors), 2013 and 2014. Pretty sure of this one.

 

Since you seem to have a rapport with those guys, would you mind bringing it to their attention?

[RealAccountant]

Papelbon if he is willing would look damn good in blue

[flafson]

The guy been losing velocity for the past 3 years, he's down to 91.2 on his fast ball in 2014. Plus, he is owed 13mil for next year. Is he that much better than our old closer? P.S, he had a really low BABIP in 2014.

[RealAccountant]

The guy been losing velocity for the past 3 years, he's down to 91.2 on his fast ball in 2014. Plus, he is owed 13mil for next year. Is he that much better than our old closer? P.S, he had a really low BABIP in 2014.

 

He is better than Jansenn. Had 1.7 WAR out of the pen last year. Has never been less than 1

[flafson]

He had 1.7 war with a lot of luck on balls in play. I'm guessing if you remove that luck, his war falls below 1. So you are giving him Bautista money for little more than Kawasaki's production.

Surely we can find better value.

[Deadpool]

Papelbon if he is willing would look damn good in blue

 

I would have a super hard time cheering for Pigf***er McGee...

[RealAccountant]

He had 1.7 war with a lot of luck on balls in play. I'm guessing if you remove that luck, his war falls below 1. So you are giving him Bautista money for little more than Kawasaki's production.

Surely we can find better value.

 

Oh I see

 

So basically its fine to rely on WAR when it's convenient but when it isn't there are flaws

So subjective

[flafson]

Oh I see

 

So basically its fine to rely on WAR when it's convenient but when it isn't there are flaws

So subjective

 

Most of his career he had BABIP around .300 mark, last year it was .247.

I'm not an expert on how it's calculated but i'm guessing higher BABIP will result in higher WAR. If he regresses to his normal self then it's only natural to assume his WAR will drop as well.

So what i'm assuming is 2013 like year with less velocity.

Again, correct me if i'm wrong.

[RealAccountant]

A bit worrying that nothing has been done on the pen yet. Training camp is now not too far, I would have to assume AA is working his butt off, but still. This pen is not good enough and at least 2 relievers away (Assuming Sanchez is a reliever). Need Proven Relievers. :mad:

[RealAccountant]

A bit worrying that nothing has been done on the pen yet. Training camp is now not too far, I would have to assume AA is working his butt off, but still. This pen is not good enough and at least 2 relievers away (Assuming Sanchez is a reliever). Need Proven Relievers. :mad:

 

A bit worrying indeed

[KingKat]

If Sanchez does stay in the pen, who's the #5? If it's Marco Estrada...is it the right move? Do we really want him pitching more innings than Sanchez? Is it Daniel Norris? Is everyone confident that he's ready? Am I missing anybody?

 

Those are the most obvious candidates. Beyond that there's Liam Hendriks who as maligned as he is still has an impressive track record in the minor (career K/BB over 5), Todd Redmond, Chad Jenkins and new guy Juan Pablo Oramas. If you want to be really optimistic, you could add Drabek and Romero to the list.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Really so no need for them to compete in spring training for it? Why is that?

 

I would still rather sign shields and start both in AAA to start the season.

[John_Havok]

A bit worrying indeed

 

did you just reply to your own quote?

[GreekFatAss]

Norris should get #5 over Sanchez anyways.

 

He hasn't fully matured into his body yet. He needs to start the year in the minors and hopefully he has bulked up a bit in the offseason.

[LongTimeReader]

Norris should get #5 over Sanchez anyways.

 

Should he? Why?

[Spanky99]

did you just reply to your own quote?

 

lol...most likely. Ignore is a sweet function.

[TBJ12]

did you just reply to your own quote?

 

I noticed this as well. Probably lost track of his numerous accounts.

[Blitz]

did you just reply to your own quote?

 

 

Ya, that just happened...

[Spanky99]

A bit worrying indeed

 

lol...you f***ing toerag. HAH!!!

[LongTimeReader]

Ya, that just happened...

 

Gross. Caught trying to reply as another account but forgot to logout. LOL. But we already knew he was the Dog, and therefore the number of accounts he has is anywhere between 10 and infinite... nothing new here.