Offseason roster thread 2014

[TheHurl]

Agreed, first time I've been to that site. Very nice!

 

Was MLB depth charts until they sold it to BP. Then broke out with this improved site. Jason asked me to do that options project about 4 years ago (figuring out what players had options remaining). I was not working at the time...did 2 teams, which took me about a week, and then I gave up. I should have kept it up and tried to get some ownership of the site.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Sanchez and Pompey should absolutely be on the table for Hamels.

 

f*** that s***! That s*** you Shat!

[RealAccountant]

I'd hate to give up top end prospects for a guy with that much mileage on the arm.

 

If they can't get Shields, Jays should target a guy like Edwin Jackson from the Cubbies as 5th starter, bullpen rightie. Jackson seems to be surplus now. Cubbies will have to eat some salary tho

 

Allows Sanchez and Norris to start the year in Buffalo

 

Yes let's start Sanchez in buffalo after he proved he could get mlb hitters out

 

Makes too much sense

 

Let's Starr Bautista in Buffalo

[RealAccountant]

I would argue that he is good Value when you look at what Lester got from the Cubs 6 years 155 million Hamels is 90 mill for 4 years with a 20 mill option in 2019 Hamels is cheaper and I would argue that he is a better Pitcher. and stats say that his fastball velocity have gone up the last 3 years . plus 4 years of control is pretty stable and lines up with the window the jays seem to have to win . and he said he wants to go to a contender and win .

 

I have seen Shields dominate the AL east

 

I have also seen a lifetime of NL pitchers fail in AL

[L54]

Yes let's start Sanchez in buffalo after he proved he could get mlb hitters out

 

Makes too much sense

 

Let's Starr Bautista in Buffalo

 

Sanchez should be in Buffalo as SP depth, yes.

[L54]

Was MLB depth charts until they sold it to BP. Then broke out with this improved site. Jason asked me to do that options project about 4 years ago (figuring out what players had options remaining). I was not working at the time...did 2 teams, which took me about a week, and then I gave up. I should have kept it up and tried to get some ownership of the site.

 

Cool story, Hurl. That's unfortunate that you didn't keep with it, but hindsight is 20/20.

[Chappy]

Sanchez should be in Buffalo as SP depth, yes.

 

I agree with this. That being said I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he is utilized as a late inning RP to setup Cecil. At the end of the day if AA can't acquire a couple decent RP (I think he will), then Sanchez in the pen in a contending year probably has to happen.

[Chappy]

Cool story, Hurl. That's unfortunate that you didn't keep with it, but hindsight is 20/20.

 

Hurl is very old, so it doesn't matter.

[L54]

I agree with this. That being said I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he is utilized as a late inning RP to setup Cecil. At the end of the day if AA can't acquire a couple decent RP (I think he will), then Sanchez in the pen in a contending year probably has to happen.

 

I'm leery of trusting the SSS of innings out of the pen, and people thinking those same results will transfer to the rotation. It's not the same.

 

If AA and Co. know something we don't, and don't see Sanchez as anymore than a high leverage RP the rest of his career, then okay. I just don't think its the right time to make that call.

[L54]

Hurl is very old, so it doesn't matter.

 

Lol

[Spanky99]

Was MLB depth charts until they sold it to BP. Then broke out with this improved site. Jason asked me to do that options project about 4 years ago (figuring out what players had options remaining). I was not working at the time...did 2 teams, which took me about a week, and then I gave up. I should have kept it up and tried to get some ownership of the site.

 

I still use that link, I wasn't aware of RosterResource, still shows up as MLB Depth Charts for me.

[Chappy]

I'm leery of trusting the SSS of innings out of the pen, and people thinking those same results will transfer to the rotation. It's not the same.

 

If AA and Co. know something we don't, and don't see Sanchez as anymore than a high leverage RP the rest of his career, then okay. I just don't think its the right time to make that call.

 

I'm trying to think along the lines of what the FO might do and that could mean Sanchez in the pen. I would obviously prefer to see him given a real chance in the rotation, overall though, I think he ends up a RP long term. It's an opinion I've had for a couple years now and he has done nothing to convince me otherwise. That being said I hope I'm wrong.

[L54]

I'm trying to think along the lines of what the FO might do and that could mean Sanchez in the pen. I would obviously prefer to see him given a real chance in the rotation, overall though, I think he ends up a RP long term. It's an opinion I've had for a couple years now and he has done nothing to convince me otherwise. That being said I hope I'm wrong.

 

It will depend on how much they improve the pen from now until ST. If AA can't land a couple more quality BP pieces I will not be shocked to see Sanchez start the year in the pen.

 

I've said this before, but I believe most of Sanchez's value to the Jays is in a trade. I would have no problem with the Jays shipping him off as part of a package for a clear upgrade on the roster. I am in no way advocating running the farm into the ground (again), but I'm not convinced his value will ever be higher than it is this offseason. Like you said, I hope I'm wrong as well.

[TwistedLogic]

http://i.imgur.com/dAjDF.jpg

[Deadpool]

It will depend on how much they improve the pen from now until ST. If AA can't land a couple more quality BP pieces I will not be shocked to see Sanchez start the year in the pen.

 

I've said this before, but I believe most of Sanchez's value to the Jays is in a trade. I would have no problem with the Jays shipping him off as part of a package for a clear upgrade on the roster. I am in no way advocating running the farm into the ground (again), but I'm not convinced his value will ever be higher than it is this offseason. Like you said, I hope I'm wrong as well.

 

And despair Stroman?

 

And ruin our marketing?

 

[intentional wok]

And despair Stroman?

 

And ruin our marketing?

 

 

This would go perfect with the I Mother Earth crossover marketing campaign I was going to pitch. It works for the Raptors and Drake, right?

 

Imagine it, the two Edwins finally meeting. And we could remind people of the 90s, too! #WeTheMillennials

[Deadpool]

This would go perfect with the I Mother Earth crossover marketing campaign I was going to pitch. It works for the Raptors and Drake, right?

 

Imagine it, the two Edwins finally meeting. And we could remind people of the 90s, too! #WeTheMillennials

 

Brian > Edwin.

[intentional wok]

Brian > Edwin.

 

Okay I can roll with that. Now we just need some kind of Jays-appropriate hashtag...

 

#summertimeinthevoid

[Deadpool]

Okay I can roll with that. Now we just need some kind of Jays-appropriate hashtag...

 

#summertimeinthevoid

 

I'm down. I could talk with them about the project! (Yeah, they're buddies of mine, wanna fight about it? /humblebrag)

[Gorlak]

I'm leery of trusting the SSS of innings out of the pen, and people thinking those same results will transfer to the rotation. It's not the same.

 

If AA and Co. know something we don't, and don't see Sanchez as anymore than a high leverage RP the rest of his career, then okay. I just don't think its the right time to make that call.

 

AA still wants Sanchez to start, but he also wants the club to win and Sanchez in the pen would help, although Sanchez starting would help much more. People see Sanchez as a reliever for the same reason they see Machado as a 3rd basemen, Good thing Stroman blew it in the pen.

[TwistedLogic]

Hamels is on close to a FA contract. No point in giving up that many assets for that. It would be the Marlins deal all over again.

 

To be honest, as much as I dislike the idea of trading for Hamels, this isn't exactly true at all. If Hamels was on the market right now he'd get a contract as big or bigger than the Lester deal.

 

Hamels pitched to a 2.46 ERA in 2014, has 34.4 career WAR and is 30 years, 11 months and 25 days old.

Over the last seven years, Hamels has pitched above 200 innings six times, and 190 innings once.

 

Lester pitched to a 2.46 ERA in 2014, has 35.4 career WAR and is 30 years, 11 months and 15 days old.

Over the last seven years, Lester has pitched above 200 innings six times, and 190 innings once.

 

Hamels contract as it stands:

 

96M over 4 years if his 2019 option is bought out, at a 24M AAV.

110M over 5 years if his 2019 option is picked up, at a 22M AAV.

114M over 5 years if his 2019 option vests, at a 22.8M AAV.

 

No matter how you look at it, Hamels' contract is far below market value for what he'd make in free agency.

 

Not only do you save 40M by trading for Hamels as opposed to signing him, there's also probably no chance he'd prefer the Jays to the other teams that would be interested if he was on the open market.

 

Now whether or not he's worth the prospect capital required to acquire him is a whole other discussion (spoiler alert: he isn't).

[RealAccountant]

We don't need Hamel's. We need 3 good relievers 2 if Sanchez is in the pen

[Brownie19]

AA still wants Sanchez to start, but he also wants the club to win and Sanchez in the pen would help, although Sanchez starting would help much more. People see Sanchez as a reliever for the same reason they see Machado as a 3rd basemen, Good thing Stroman blew it in the pen.

 

AA loves Sanchez. I was at a Christmas party with him in 2011 and he told us Sanchez was his top prospect...over D'Arnaud, Hutch, Syndergaard, etc. despite coming off a very disappointing season (Sickels ranked Sanchez 10th best entering 2012). I'll be very interested to see if AA falls into the GM man-crush zone where they can't let go of what they thought he'd be (if he doesn't suceed initially).

[glory]

I think Sanchez will start. I can't see them finding a better starting option in free agency or trade (unless they go after Hamels), and putting Norris in the rotation and Sanchez in the pen pretty much eliminates any SP depth the team has.

 

IMO, Sanchez will start, Estrada will be his insurance, and Norris will be the first guy called up from AAA. The question is which relievers will AA be able to acquire to fill out the pen.

[Hipfan]

I think Sanchez will start. I can't see them finding a better starting option in free agency or trade (unless they go after Hamels), and putting Norris in the rotation and Sanchez in the pen pretty much eliminates any SP depth the team has.

 

IMO, Sanchez will start, Estrada will be his insurance, and Norris will be the first guy called up from AAA. The question is which relievers will AA be able to acquire to fill out the pen.

 

You're probably right, but what scares me is that what do they have after Estrada and Norris? Their SP depth is not great and if they signed/traded for a solid SP, you could move Sanchez to the BP, and if/when injuries happen you have Estrada as your replacement. Plus, you could also call up Norris and even send Sanchez down to stretch him out for a couple of weeks (a la Stroman) and then bring him back up to start.

 

I'd love to get Shields on a 3 year deal, but he will probably end up with a 5 year contract which I'd stay away from.

[LongTimeReader]

If spring training were to start today there would be an open competition for one spot in the rotation and 5 pen spots.

 

Starting options

 

Norris

Sanchez

Estrada

Hendricks

Romero

Francis

Oramas

 

Relief options

 

Delabar

Drabek

Rasmussen

Redmond

Jenkins

Hynes

 

I would imagine there'll be a couple names added via waiver wire,spring training invites, and internal guys like Stilson,McFarland and Tepera but that's basically what your looking at to fill the fifth starter and BP.

 

Any number of scenarios could happen but I think both Sanchez and Norris have a job to lose/win depending on performance. If they both pitch well they'll both make the team.

 

They should be approaching this season as one to put the best team on the field from the get go. Not one were you keep a lesser player around because he's out of options,like they've done in the past.

 

 

No

No

No

No

[Spanky99]

No

No

No

No

 

He's talking about one spot and depth, lol, as of now. Did you even read it? Although I think it's a useless exercise right now, same goes for the BP and Stilson isn't an option.

[LongTimeReader]

He's talking about one spot and depth, lol, as of now. Did you even read it? Although I think it's a useless exercise right now, same goes for the BP and Stilson isn't an option.

 

I'm just saying none of those guys are are actually going to be considered for the rotation (even if they are in ST).

[Spanky99]

I'm just saying none of those guys are are actually going to be considered for the rotation (even if they are in ST).

 

Oramas might, but yeah they're Bison depth.

[RealAccountant]

If you don't think Romero will get a look for the rotation your heads f***ed.

 

 

Lol