Toronto Sun: Alex Anthopoulos will return next year

[RealAccountant]

AAs bosses are much more interested in the Anahiem Ducks vs. St Louis Blues game on Nov 15

 

That's worth more then a jays playoff game in Canada

[TheHurl]

AAs bosses are much more interested in the Anahiem Ducks vs. St Louis Blues game on Nov 15

 

That's worth more then a jays playoff game in Canada

 

Ducks play the Kings on November 15th and it's a Saturday game...the one day SN doesn't care about hockey

[kgm1]

I'm sure they are...the value of the franchise is up. Doesn't mean that he will or can build and sustain a playoff team.

 

He has done a better job of that than the previous two GMs . The JPR era was the darkest in Jays history . At least we have a farm system . In JPR,s days we had s***. drafted s*** and what we did draft we couldn't develop.

[Ziggyy108]

THEY WERE DOING WHAT THEY WERE TOLD . The money was obviously NOT there . Rogers did not want to tell fans that they spent all their money on Hockey so they told them to lie.

 

1000% correct

[Ziggyy108]

AAs bosses are much more interested in the Anahiem Ducks vs. St Louis Blues game on Nov 15

 

That's worth more then a jays playoff game in Canada

 

Exactly right my friend.

[GD]

Exactly right my friend.

 

jaysnhabs? or his fellatiofriend?

[BigCecil]

I'm ok with this as I don't think next year is make or break for the direction of the org.

 

The year after will be telling and whether or not I would want to keep AA around would largely depend on what he does or doesn't do over the next year in choosing a direction for the club

 

When will be " make or break" for this org and what does that mean? Is 30 yrs without playoffs going to do it? 3 decades and not 2? I'm all for not being chicken littles but this is an aging core with a lot of unproven and fragile pieces next 2 yr. and our comp gets better again IMO. 2014 was the year.

[BigCecil]

Who on this board was even old enough or followed the Jays when Riccardi was GM . AA has traded away more farm talent than JPR ever drafted in his tenure as GM . HE gutted a decent scouting dept cause he wanted to do all the work by computer.

 

That lead to a bottom 3 farm system for years that took AA two years to rebuild . We have twice as much talent on the farm even after all the trades than JPR ever drafted. AA deserves to build this team and if He could have control instead of Rogers and Beeston would build a winner.

 

Put Grass in Rogers Center and you might be able to attract some free agent hitters but why would a pitcher want to come here. AA needs to develop them and he has.

 

JPR? Been fan since day 1. Also early days of the expos. Grass is one factor for free agents. Winning and org direction is as important to offset the "in canada" factor. You will recall their was a time we could sign top FAs - we were on a roll for a long time - 7 years.

Edited August 17, 2014 by BigCecil

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

The "turf" and "Canada" excuses are ********. Free agents won't come here anymore because it's deteriorated into a loser franchise with loser ownership, a loser front office, and a loser coaching staff, year in year out. It's as simple as that. And it's not going to change until competent people come in and build a real winner the correct way. But this franchise would rather just blame it all on excuses instead of solving the root causes of why this franchise is completely irrelevant.

[RealAccountant]

He has done a better job of that than the previous two GMs . The JPR era was the darkest in Jays history . At least we have a farm system . In JPR,s days we had s***. drafted s*** and what we did draft we couldn't develop.

 

If JP had a second wild card we would have seen meaningful baseball maybe even got the second wild card. Don't know how you can say that with a straight face when five years of the current clown has wielded no results

[RealAccountant]

The "turf" and "Canada" excuses are ********. Free agents won't come here anymore because it's deteriorated into a loser franchise with loser ownership, a loser front office, and a loser coaching staff, year in year out. It's as simple as that. And it's not going to change until competent people come in and build a real winner the correct way. But this franchise would rather just blame it all on excjuses instead of solving the root causes of why this franchise is completely irrelevant.

 

Both the turf and Canada are real deterrents to getting free agents

 

Turf more so

[BigCecil]

The "turf" and "Canada" excuses are ********. Free agents won't come here anymore because it's deteriorated into a loser franchise with loser ownership, a loser front office, and a loser coaching staff, year in year out. It's as simple as that. And it's not going to change until competent people come in and build a real winner the correct way. But this franchise would rather just blame it all on excuses instead of solving the root causes of why this franchise is completely irrelevant.

 

You are partly right but don't kid yourself. Turf can cost time on a career which costs players money and some don't like living and playing here.

[TheHurl]

He has done a better job of that than the previous two GMs . The JPR era was the darkest in Jays history . At least we have a farm system . In JPR,s days we had s***. drafted s*** and what we did draft we couldn't develop.

 

We have some arms in the system. I wasn't big on JPR as he didn't have a great vision either. AA gets a lot of credit for his never ending scouring of the waiver wire but he doesn't seem to get ripped on nearly enough for his guys he gives up on. I'm not going to pretend that i thought Gomes, Chavez, Valbuena or even Napoli were going to be huge producers but they were all given up on for essentially non assets. The shuffling of players for replacement level guys that have no upside are pretty frustrating.

[RealAccountant]

You are partly right but don't kid yourself. Turf can cost time on a career which costs players money and some don't like living and playing here.

 

But the problem with this team is the trades AA made. Reversing the Dickey and Reyes trades and we prob have more wins over the last 2 years and an amazing future not to mention tons of payroll room

 

The first error was not outbidding Texas for Darvish. Instead we paid just as much for Dickey and Burleh while at the same time trading prospects

 

Rotation right now could be

 

Darvish

Alvarez

Stroman

Hutchinson

Happy

 

With Sanchez and syndergaard waiting I'm the wings

[Hawkins]

But the problem with this team is the trades AA made. Reversing the Dickey and Reyes trades and we prob have more wins over the last 2 years and an amazing future not to mention tons of payroll room

 

The first error was not outbidding Texas for Darvish. Instead we paid just as much for Dickey and Burleh while at the same time trading prospects

 

Rotation right now could be

 

Darvish

Alvarez

Stroman

Hutchinson

Happy

 

With Sanchez and syndergaard waiting I'm the wings

 

The first error was not signing Chapman. Then Darvish and every Cuban that was given a green card. This is what AA said he wanted to do but never pulled the trigger sighting value not adding up. Signing these type of FA and drafting like he did was his plan but he never closed any of those deals and then came the Marlins and Dickey deals.

[John_Havok]

The "turf" and "Canada" excuses are ********. Free agents won't come here anymore because it's deteriorated into a loser franchise with loser ownership, a loser front office, and a loser coaching staff, year in year out. It's as simple as that. And it's not going to change until competent people come in and build a real winner the correct way. But this franchise would rather just blame it all on excuses instead of solving the root causes of why this franchise is completely irrelevant.

 

While you'd a bit over the top, you could also mention the fact that AA clearly has valuation problems and is not willing to pay market value for any upper tier FAs.

[ElNik2013]

There's pros and cons to AA. Some would say more cons than pros, others the opposite. At the end of the day, he's good enough for ownership and all this whining or excuse-making doesn't change a damn thing.

[TheHurl]

There's pros and cons to AA. Some would say more cons than pros, others the opposite. At the end of the day, he's good enough for ownership and all this whining or excuse-making doesn't change a damn thing.

 

You could stop cheering for the team. Believe me it's quite easy to do, and really quite satisfying.

[wardhenke1]

So just to be clear, this record is enough that Rogers are not just OK with how the team and AA is doing but actually downright happy:

 

2010 - $78,689,357 payroll, 85-77 record, average age 28.7 years, finished 4th

2011 - $70,567,800 payroll, 81-81, average age 28 years, finished 4th

2012 - $83,739,200 payroll, 73-89, average age 27.8 years, finished 4th

2013 - $119,277,800 payroll, 74-88, average age 30 years, finished 5th

2014 - $137,177,700 payroll, 64-61, average age 29.6 years, currently 3rd by 2.5 games and would have to go 21-16 to match his 'best year' as GM.

 

f*** me. Spending more and more of my employers money, taking 5 years to get back to where I started from while employing increasingly declining assets and they're happy - I'm in the wrong f***ing job.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

While you'd a bit over the top, you could also mention the fact that AA clearly has valuation problems and is not willing to pay market value for any upper tier FAs.

 

This is very true as well. His idea of "value" is nonsensical. If an outside free agent isn't willing to play for 1 year at $0, AA won't sign them no matter how much they can help the team, but he's perfectly fine with trading the farm for horrendous contracts like Reyes.

[Caper]

f***. There are a lot of meatballs in this thread that think making the playoffs in the AL East is that easy.... Some great hindsight warriors as well.

[abola2121]

f***. There are a lot of meatballs in this thread that think making the playoffs in the AL East is that easy.... Some great hindsight warriors as well.

 

Up until 2008, you would've had a point.

[GNick49]

JPR? Been fan since day 1. Also early days of the expos. Grass is one factor for free agents. Winning and org direction is as important to offset the "in canada" factor. You will recall their was a time we could sign top FAs - we were on a roll for a long time - 7 years.

 

That was a different era. TV money now has predicted where majority of top free agents go. Jays tv money is peanuts compared to top 6-8 clubs

[Smokey]

f***. There are a lot of meatballs in this thread that think making the playoffs in the AL East is that easy.... Some great hindsight warriors as well.

 

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-32797-What-an-Idiot-Will-Ferrell-gif-URdZ.gif

[BigCecil]

f***. There are a lot of meatballs in this thread that think making the playoffs in the AL East is that easy.... Some great hindsight warriors as well.

 

Lol. Ya right. It's very hard. All the other teams have fared better than us on that score for 20 yrs in the division. It's so hard in fact that this was our year when it was weakened by injury.

 

Wildcards make it easier but it's still hard.

 

Which is why your point " we were close this year", to suggest we are some upward trajectory, is an irrelevant one.

 

2015 will be much diff in al east. Red Sox won WS last yr and this yr they are last...case in point.

Edited August 18, 2014 by BigCecil

[GeorgiaPeach]

So what happens if they tank the rest of the year?

 

What does what the players do on the field beyond this date have to do in changing Alex's future?

[GeorgiaPeach]

Wow. f*** this team.

 

If Alex is fired, I don't trust Beeston or Rogers bringing in a proper replacement. If Beeston is fired I can atleast live with Alex for one more year.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I was optimistic on this team and on AA for a long time. Now I am totally pissed off at off season and deadline...to make the moves we did with MIA and RA taking the payroll up to big levels and trading top prospects, but then not make the moves needed makes no sense? Injuries are part of the game = Machado, Weiters and Davis falling off a cliff from 2013.

 

Stro, Sanchez, Hutch and Norris etc - we will see. Reason to be excited but we have seen way too little of them to know what they really will be.

 

I can live with another AA year...but I will need the rage/vent thread daily Im sure.

 

I would've been fine going after Prado or a smaller add. But to think the Jays should've moved Hutch & Stroman for Price is f***ing insane.

[Frenchsoup]

What does what the players do on the field beyond this date have to do in changing Alex's future?

 

It does nothing for me but if they start tanking and fans stop showing, rogers may take that into consideration and fire his fat ass.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Of course he will be back, he always says the right thing when discussing Rogers (even though we know he's full of it).

 

Seeing as Alex is always quiet about everything, why would he come out and say or be permitted to say the money was there at the deadline?

 

Why hes not in on Castillo only goes to show money is not available.

 

It's a two way street. You can't force a player to want to come to the baseball mecca of the planet Canada.