Jeff Blair - Signs from FO strongly suggest both Melky and Colby gone next year

[G-Snarls]

You seem borderline retarded most of the time on here. Big talk hiding behind your keyboard dipshit.

 

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[G-Snarls]

I think either one would accept a QO.

 

Late, but I could not make it at work

 

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Edited July 14, 2014 by G-Snarls

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

I can only assume that this, like you screename, is some weird attempt at irony given your propensity to lose your s*** on here at semi-regular intervals.

 

And I don't know, I just don't think it's too much to ask to get even the most basic of facts right before you start attacking what a front office has done.

 

Interesting how often people use the "Jays haven't played a meaningful game in 20 years" argument to back up their points on here literally hundreds of times but I'm supposed to split up the Cubs losing seasons by GM. And interesting how you felt Bolland had anything to do with this topic ( a one year rental hockey player that the Leafs let go this season ). Interesting how you decided to interject several insulting posts on here with no real point other then to try to jab me with a stick and get a reaction from me or other fanboys of similar propensity to pester and annoy people.

 

Look, rarely do you post something interesting that doesn't pick a fight with someone. It is what it is, and at least one moderator thinks you present some value on this topic. So when the forum degenerates into the usual "Jays suck' or "Poster X sucks look at these posts" themes, I know you'll be plenty up to that task. I just don't expect much from you and you don't disappoint me in that regard.

[BTS]

Interesting how often people use the "Jays haven't played a meaningful game in 20 years" argument to back up their points on here literally hundreds of times but I'm supposed to split up the Cubs losing seasons by GM. And interesting how you felt Bolland had anything to do with this topic ( a one year rental hockey player that the Leafs let go this season ). Interesting how you decided to interject several insulting posts on here with no real point other then to try to jab me with a stick and get a reaction from me or other fanboys of similar propensity to pester and annoy people.

 

Look, rarely do you post something interesting that doesn't pick a fight with someone. It is what it is, and at least one moderator thinks you present some value on this topic. So when the forum degenerates into the usual "Jays suck' or "Poster X sucks look at these posts" themes, I know you'll be plenty up to that task. I just don't expect much from you and you don't disappoint me in that regard.

 

Does anyone who matters actually whine about pre-AA decisions?

[oakville69]

I hope the Jays bring Melky& Colby back. Keep Gose as the 4th OF. I am disappointed that Rogers seems to have cut off AA from making any trades that ass payroll for 2014.

[Candy Maldonado]

everybody stay calm

[G-Snarls]

everybody stay calm

 

If only the was a thread for that!

[Nox]

Interesting how often people use the "Jays haven't played a meaningful game in 20 years" argument to back up their points on here literally hundreds of times

 

I think you might be exaggerating. Literally.

 

Even in the unlikely case that you're not, theirs would be a dumb point. No reason to use similar thinking.

 

but I'm supposed to split up the Cubs losing seasons by GM.

 

In the context of a current, ongoing rebuild I have no idea why you would not. Obviously ownership is a common factor among regimes but you can hardly blame the current group for Jim Hendry's failures. There's honestly not a whole lot I'd do different than what Epstein and Hoyer have done since Dec 2011. They're setup for a period of sustained success when you consider the financial backing they'll surely have when the time to add complimentary pieces arrives.

 

And interesting how you felt Bolland had anything to do with this topic

 

It's actually quite relevant in that:

 

A) You're involved

You loved the Bolland, Clarkson and Phaneuf deals

C) The construction of baseball and hockey teams have many philosophical overlaps despite being different games

D) You're constantly beating the drum for veteran baseball players and s***ing on the value proposition provided by prospects (despite not being familiar with any of the research, of course).

 

try to jab me with a stick and get a reaction from me

 

Of course I do that. We all do that. You're just way too easy to needle. The combination of the dumb things you say and your hilariously short fuse make you an easy target. You bring it upon yourself.

 

It is what it is

 

At least you went with this substance-less aphorism than referencing your university degree that nobody cares (or frankly believes you) about.

Edited July 14, 2014 by Nox

[GD]

Where's that it's over VC gif when you need one.

 

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[ElNik2013]

Ok, so who in their right mind would believe that current Jays' ownership would be interested in a full rebuild when they've never gone through with one in their history as owners of the team?

 

Live in reality people. Rogers bought the Jays to provide content for their tv channels. The moves after the 2012 off season were largely made to avoid going into 2013 with the expectation of losing 90+ games, maybe 100. They're always stuck in the middle, when they get too close to a rebuilding team (i.e. awful team), they go out and throw some money around. When they get good enough to contend, they pull back and don't push forward.

 

Anyway, we'll see what happens.

[baseballsss]

Ok, so who in their right mind would believe that current Jays' ownership would be interested in a full rebuild when they've never gone through with one in their history as owners of the team?

 

Live in reality people. Rogers bought the Jays to provide content for their tv channels. The moves after the 2012 off season were largely made to avoid going into 2013 with the expectation of losing 90+ games, maybe 100. They're always stuck in the middle, when they get too close to a rebuilding team (i.e. awful team), they go out and throw some money around. When they get good enough to contend, they pull back and don't push forward.

 

Anyway, we'll see what happens.

 

Rogers bought the jays because he was a fan of them. He had planned to do everything to make them succesful then he passed away. Quit giving the guy a bad name when he didn't have a chance to make the team better.

[jb22]

Does anyone who matters actually whine about pre-AA decisions?

 

You should probably get treated for that superiority complex. It's hilarious that you think a group of posters opinions on here matter more than others. I mean, if this group were GM we'd have a winning team in no time, right? I mean, you'd obviously never make any wrong moves and plus who needs to understand regression to the mean to be a MLB GM.

[oakville69]

Ok, so who in their right mind would believe that current Jays' ownership would be interested in a full rebuild when they've never gone through with one in their history as owners of the team?

 

Live in reality people. Rogers bought the Jays to provide content for their tv channels. The moves after the 2012 off season were largely made to avoid going into 2013 with the expectation of losing 90+ games, maybe 100. They're always stuck in the middle, when they get too close to a rebuilding team (i.e. awful team), they go out and throw some money around. When they get good enough to contend, they pull back and don't push forward.

 

Anyway, we'll see what happens.

 

Sad but true. I am baffled why AA was not allowed to make upgrades in the off season. AA asking Bautista & a few others to defer payments to pay for Santana's contract was shocking.

 

We will know by the end of July if Rogers changes its mind.

[Nabru]

Rogers bought the jays because he was a fan of them. He had planned to do everything to make them succesful then he passed away. Quit giving the guy a bad name when he didn't have a chance to make the team better.

 

The only time they opened their wallets with Ted Rogers alive was the 2005-06 off-season and that's using that term loosely.

[Nabru]

Ok, so who in their right mind would believe that current Jays' ownership would be interested in a full rebuild when they've never gone through with one in their history as owners of the team?

 

Live in reality people. Rogers bought the Jays to provide content for their tv channels. The moves after the 2012 off season were largely made to avoid going into 2013 with the expectation of losing 90+ games, maybe 100. They're always stuck in the middle, when they get too close to a rebuilding team (i.e. awful team), they go out and throw some money around. When they get good enough to contend, they pull back and don't push forward.

 

Anyway, we'll see what happens.

 

Good post. There is a 40 man roster then a 25 man roster, unfortunately Rogers believes a 12 man roster should suffice (even that's pushing it right now, more like 7-8 legit MLBers on it at the moment). I guess it's similar to my beer league team right now haha. And the mail man turned MLB GM went through with that idea.

 

If this franchise didn't catch lightning in a bottle with Bautista and Encarnaction, where would we be right now? On a similar path the Cubs are on? Flailing in deeper mediocrity?

[Angrioter]

[GD]

Bob Elliott is reporting it so it must be true

[BTS]

You should probably get treated for that superiority complex. It's hilarious that you think a group of posters opinions on here matter more than others. I mean, if this group were GM we'd have a winning team in no time, right? I mean, you'd obviously never make any wrong moves and plus who needs to understand regression to the mean to be a MLB GM.

 

In the context of the discussion, yes, certain opinions matter more than others. The point was that, while people certainly do complain about the Jays' 20-year rebuild, those aren't the same people that CHP typically argues with, and probably aren't the type to appreciate Hoyer and Epstein's work in Chicago.

[Frenchsoup]

 

That is cray

[Boxcar]

I love it when Nox schools CHP. I hope one day this guy can see how full of it he is.

[GeorgiaPeach]

It's hilarious that you think a group of posters opinions on here matter more than others.

 

Really?

 

You can't argue there's some posters on here who are very well-read baseball-wise and some who aren't. Fair enough?

 

Me personally, I think I'm pretty well-read, but learn stuff from others on here all the time. To me, the posters I'm learning from matter. Others who are trying to learn but don't provide anything meaningful, matter. People who come on here to stir s*** up and know very little don't matter. They don't matter on here and they don't matter in life.

[GeorgiaPeach]

 

If true, how can these conversations be carrying on?

 

I wouldn't trade Stroman straight up for Price.

[HERPDERP]

Is there any player out there you would trade those 4 (besides Trout, obviously)

[jayswin11]

If true, how can these conversations be carrying on?

 

I wouldn't trade Stroman straight up for Price.

 

Ya that's totally ridiculous. No chance. Stroman is a top 3 guy in our rotation right now. If that's the price never mind. Not only would it not help us win this year that much it destroys the future. I'm ok with trading prospects but not a guy who is already proving himself in the Majors.

[KingKat]

Why do some of you think Melky isn't worth a QO?

 

Because he's a singles hitter with no defensive or base running value?

Edited July 15, 2014 by KingKat

[saskjayfan]

Because he's a singles hitter with no defensive or base running value?

 

melky has 21 doubles, 3 triples and 11 homers....he's posted an .801 OPS. That isn't a singles hitter. He's been our most consistent hitter. Melky hasn't gone through extended slumps.

[z3r0s]

Because he's a singles hitter with no defensive or base running value?

 

Melky is worth a QC because he's going to produce around 2 WAR (worth +/- the 14M QC, depending what dollar figures per WAR you use), and getting a FA on a one year deal is worth something value-wise in its own right.

[Frenchsoup]

melky has 21 doubles, 3 triples and 11 homers....he's posted an .801 OPS. That isn't a singles hitter. He's been our most consistent hitter. Melky hasn't gone through extended

slumps.

 

For the record i think he's worth the QO. Even if you think your overpaying a bit you do it on the one year deal. Some people don't like Melky's defense but i am fine with it, he catches everything he gets to and has a solid arm. He's also pretty durable throughout his career excluding last years tumor which i think we can all agree was a freak injury.

[GeorgiaPeach]

melky has 21 doubles, 3 triples and 11 homers....he's posted an .801 OPS. That isn't a singles hitter. He's been our most consistent hitter. Melky hasn't gone through extended slumps.

 

He's not worth 14m

 

I'd rather play Pillar in LF in 2015 at LG MIN. You would get better defence, sacrifice some offence and put the 14m Melky would get toward something else.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Melky is worth a QC because he's going to produce around 2 WAR (worth +/- the 14M QC, depending what dollar figures per WAR you use), and getting a FA on a one year deal is worth something value-wise in its own right.

 

The Jays FO should be throwing out feeler offers right now, like 2 @ 20. I'd rather that for Melky than him accepting a 14m qualifying offer.

 

If he accepts the 2 @ 20 we get a solid LF on a very reasonable contract, with a nice option of moving him in trade for other useful pieces in the midst of the deal. If he rejects the offer you QO him seeing as he's kinda showed his intentions of maybe wanting more money, more years.....or to get out of Toronto.