We need a 3B more than anything else

[G-Snarls]

It was already out position of weakest backups, with a starter there who misses a lot of tIme

 

With Lawrie AND Lind out, Francisco should be DH vs RHP, not playing third

 

If it wasn't already the thing to do, now it 100% is

 

I'm OK with our 2B coverage until Lawrie gets back

[Anemic0ffense]

This is the weakest the AL East has been in forever. Missing the playoffs this year will sting more than any other year, but I refuse to give up great young talent. This is a tough spot to be in, but the injuries have put this team in this position. Gonna be a scary TD this year.

[Nox]

There's a number of ways the team could be upgraded. 3B is one of them but upgrades to the rotation or 2B (kind of the same thing given Lawrie's flexibility) may make more sense depending on the acquisition costs.

 

The Jays need to upgrade our projected run differential going forward. How they do that should be a bit less specific than you suggest.

[kgm1]

i agree that is the position to fill BUT!

With all these injuries I'm not sure I would be willing to waste any talent for a trade. Non of the injured are back till August some time. This latest one plus the sloppy play of the last few games has me thinking it is turtle time . You can't replace those three bats with one deal. Reimold could possibly replace 1 bat but losing all three at the same time is as ugly as it gets.

[BigCecil]

It was already out position of weakest backups, with a starter there who misses a lot of tIme

 

With Lawrie AND Lind out, Francisco should be DH vs RHP, not playing third

 

If it wasn't already the thing to do, now it 100% is

 

I'm OK with our 2B coverage until Lawrie gets back

 

Cant see them selling him given their talent and a shot at next year, but what would it take for Beltre?

[NorthOf49]

i agree that is the position to fill BUT!

With all these injuries I'm not sure I would be willing to waste any talent for a trade. Non of the injured are back till August some time. This latest one plus the sloppy play of the last few games has me thinking it is turtle time . You can't replace those three bats with one deal. Reimold could possibly replace 1 bat but losing all three at the same time is as ugly as it gets.

We should just give up on the season because building the perfect team through trade isn't possible? Come on.

[BigCecil]

This is the weakest the AL East has been in forever. Missing the playoffs this year will sting more than any other year, but I refuse to give up great young talent. This is a tough spot to be in, but the injuries have put this team in this position. Gonna be a scary TD this year.

 

To me this half pregnant approach guarantees perennial mediocrity.

 

Other teams in AL East have prospects too and dough to stock up on FAs.

 

If we can hang in there go for it and live with consequences. This is the year in the AL East im afraid.

[KingKat]

Can someone explain to me how fWAR works? (No I'm not joking)

 

I'm looking at Dan Johnson's Fangraphs page. His fielding is worth 0.6 but but his postional adjustement is -29.3 for a total defensive value of -28.7. Why is the positional adjustment substracted from the fielding and called defense? That makes like zero sense to me. Shouldn't defense and fielding be synomymous with the positional adjustment only coming out at the end? I mean ultimately the total will be the same but this way of doing it seems kind of misleading and counter-intuitive to me. Could someone (basically Nox) explain the logic?

[kgm1]

We should just give up on the season because building the perfect team through trade isn't possible? Come on.

 

I just am not willing to deal top talent for a slim shot at winning the division. Sure if you trade for a key piece that is controllable going forward a few years then I don't have a problem, but I don't like the idea of giving up talent for a rental .

[Anemic0ffense]

To me this half pregnant approach guarantees perennial mediocrity.

 

Other teams in AL East have prospects too and dough to stock up on FAs.

 

If we can hang in there go for it and live with consequences. This is the year in the AL East im afraid.

 

I agree, but it's still no guarantee we even make the playoffs even if we get a Beltre. Can you imagine this board if we gave up a Norris, and then not made it? All I'm saying is, I'm glad I'm not AA for more reasons than one.

[sh3156]

Kgm I respect your opinion but take a look at the AL east. All of the other teams have better prospects and better controllable pieces going forward. Sorry but its true.

 

Not to mention the bottomless pockets. How long do you think the Yankees and redsox mediocrity will last? I bet they are both 90+ wins team.next year.

 

Its either going for it this year or assuring 3rd and 4th place for the next 5 years. If you enjoyed the last five years and want five more years of that then good for you

 

Id rather jays take their shot this year for 1st and I'll be okay with watching a last place team for the next five years. As far as I am concerned there is no difference between a third place team and a last place team since neither really competes

[Mikeleelop]

i agree that is the position to fill BUT!

With all these injuries I'm not sure I would be willing to waste any talent for a trade. Non of the injured are back till August some time. This latest one plus the sloppy play of the last few games has me thinking it is turtle time . You can't replace those three bats with one deal. Reimold could possibly replace 1 bat but losing all three at the same time is as ugly as it gets.

 

you could argue that you are missing 4 bats with the way bautista is swinging after the hammy injury. his approach and expanded strike zone make him look like last year's swinging gate

[Terminator]

I just am not willing to deal top talent for a slim shot at winning the division. Sure if you trade for a key piece that is controllable going forward a few years then I don't have a problem, but I don't like the idea of giving up talent for a rental .

 

Is it really a slim shot?

[sh3156]

I agree, but it's still no guarantee we even make the playoffs even if we get a Beltre. Can you imagine this board if we gave up a Norris, and then not made it? All I'm saying is, I'm glad I'm not AA for more reasons than one.

 

Sometimes in life you have to go for it. Norris will pitch and pitch well but if we keep him he will pitch well for a .500 team forever

 

I like to remind people of how tough this team was to watch when 86 wins meant nothing. People talk about our young pieces look around. Rays are going to have that top pitching back next year. Orioles have better younger controllable talent then us. Redsox are loaded with young guns and bottomless pockets not to mention the Yankees will.always be Yankees

[Governator]

Dan Johnson to 1st, Bautista to 3rd.

[sh3156]

Dan Johnson to 1st, Bautista to 3rd.

 

Not gonna happen

[sh3156]

I think many people here are.missing the scenerio of what playoff baseball can do for the jays.

 

Imagine ratings of 3-4 million. That's gonna wake rogers up. It might usher in an era of where we can spend the same amount as the Redsox

[KingKat]

2B (kind of the same thing given Lawrie's flexibility)

 

Depends on how long Lawrie is out. I think the argument being made here is that Kawa > Francisco in the short term.

[Atothe]

Kgm I respect your opinion but take a look at the AL east. All of the other teams have better prospects and better controllable pieces going forward. Sorry but its true.

 

Not to mention the bottomless pockets. How long do you think the Yankees and redsox mediocrity will last? I bet they are both 90+ wins team.next year.

 

Its either going for it this year or assuring 3rd and 4th place for the next 5 years. If you enjoyed the last five years and want five more years of that then good for you

 

Id rather jays take their shot this year for 1st and I'll be okay with watching a last place team for the next five years. As far as I am concerned there is no difference between a third place team and a last place team since neither really competes

 

Only team that can claim they have better prospects and more money to spend is the Red Sox. Every other team can't claim both in the Al East.

[Governator]

Not gonna happen

 

As a stopgap, why not? He's logged more career 3B innings than Brett Lawrie and his .959 fielding % there is nearly the same as Brett's .962

[Atothe]

I think many people here are.missing the scenerio of what playoff baseball can do for the jays.

 

Imagine ratings of 3-4 million. That's gonna wake rogers up. It might usher in an era of where we can spend the same amount as the Redsox

 

The Red Sox arent that far off payroll wise compared to the jays? Where are you getting your info?

[jaysblue]

This is the weakest I've ever seen the AL East, and it would be a huge disappointment if the Jays missed out on the postseason this year. The Yankees and Red Sox look done - crazy to say that in July. The O's look like the team to beat, though they have their holes as well and we know when the Jays are healthy they are a better team. The Rays are creeping back and they always worry me. They have the pitching to get back into a race, and with some luck on their side it wouldn't shock me to see them playing meaningful games in August and September. This series against them will be huge and really could define the Jays season the rest of the way.

[KingKat]

As a stopgap, why not? He's logged more career 3B innings than Brett Lawrie and his .959 fielding % there is nearly the same as Brett's .962

 

He's not saying there isn't an argument for it. He's saying it's not going to happen.

[Governator]

He's not saying there isn't an argument for it. He's saying it's not going to happen.

 

Because Bautista won't do it or they wouldn't want to risk him there? Or that Johnson isn't going to get called up?

[BigCecil]

I agree, but it's still no guarantee we even make the playoffs even if we get a Beltre. Can you imagine this board if we gave up a Norris, and then not made it? All I'm saying is, I'm glad I'm not AA for more reasons than one.

 

Jays don't have to do it right now but if we can stabilize this ship and are still there in it, that's the risk you take moving assets.

 

Nobody ever has guarantees....and there is no guarantee Norris is going to be a CY award winner either, or even close.

 

Ya, this Board would light up moving him...but there is a irrational prospect love affair imo. I understand why...but don't necessarily always agree.

 

There was nothing like seeing the young Jays and Expos when they emerged with all the cheap, controllable A talent, but this team is in a different place.

[KingKat]

Because Bautista won't do it or they wouldn't want to risk him there? Or that Johnson isn't going to get called up?

 

Well I don't know what he was thinking but assuming that you call up Johnson it just looks like an unnecesary shuffling of deck chairs. Francisco may not be a good 3B but Reimold isn't a good RF either. If you're going to push one of them to DH, it might as well be the one who is playing the position that Bautista usually plays. I know that Bautista offered to play wherever but there's no need to abuse that offer.

[Atothe]

Jays don't have to do it right now but if we can stabilize this ship and are still there in it, that's the risk you take moving assets.

 

Nobody ever has guarantees....and there is no guarantee Norris is going to be a CY award winner either, or even close.

 

Ya, this Board would light up moving him...but there is a irrational prospect love affair imo. I understand why...but don't necessarily always agree.

 

There was nothing like seeing the young Jays and Expos when they emerged with all the cheap, controllable A talent, but this team is in a different place.

 

Stop panicking

[Governator]

Well I don't know what he was thinking but assuming that you call up Johnson it just looks like an unnecesary shuffling of deck chairs. Francisco may not be a good 3B but Reimold isn't a good RF either. If you're going to push one of them to DH, it might as well be the one who is playing the position that Bautista usually plays. I know that Bautista offered to play wherever but there's no need to abuse that offer.

 

It just seemed like a logical solution to the G-Snarls 3B fix to get Francisco off the field. Two 1st basemen go down and we put Bautista where he has never played, when instead it makes more sense to put him at a position he's logged a lot of time at and bring up Johnson to play 1st who can replace some of that lost pop. Also, there is less platooning in this scenario. You DH Kratz & Francisco for splits.

[KingKat]

It just seemed like a logical solution to the G-Snarls 3B fix to get Francisco off the field. Two 1st basemen go down and we put Bautista where he has never played, when instead it makes more sense to put him at a position he's logged a lot of time at and bring up Johnson to play 1st who can replace some of that lost pop. Also, there is less platooning in this scenario. You DH Kratz & Francisco for splits.

 

So who plays RF in that scenario? Reimold? Does he play there every day?

[Governator]

So who plays RF in that scenario? Reimold? Does he play there every day?

 

I know he's not a right fielder, not ideal I guess but as a stopgap move until someone returns it's worth testing the waters. At this very moment his bat is worth the risk.