Jays and Shark

[Inklink]

I'd be reluctant to give up too much. Go for a more reasonable middle of the rotation guy. I don't know who that is.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Assets depends on offer-demand and production at the time.

Hammel is s*** but right now the Cubs have great asset in him.

 

Because Hammel is pitching his brains out like he never has, doesn't mean buying on that high is a good idea. I'd rather have a cheap 25 year old in Nolin pitching for us now (when healthy) and going forward opposed to paying with a prospect and paying a salary to get a junky pitcher.

 

A slightly worse Nolin for LG Min, is far better than Hammel at whatever he makes, even if it's LG Min.

[Angrioter]

Because Hammel is pitching his brains out like he never has, doesn't mean buying on that high is a good idea. I'd rather have a cheap 25 year old in Nolin pitching for us now (when healthy) and going forward opposed to paying with a prospect and paying a salary to get a junky pitcher.

 

A slightly worse Nolin for LG Min, is far better than Hammel at whatever he makes, even if it's LG Min.

 

Partially agree.

Sean Nolin isn't the big deal anyway (Ross Detwiler ceiling)

[G-Snarls]

Full story from Morosi (yeah I know many don't like him) in case not all posted yet:

 

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Who will (and should) blink first in Jays-Cubs Samardzija stare-down?

 

The Toronto Blue Jays have the prospects to trade for Jeff Samardzija right now. Samardzija, the Chicago Cubs' Opening Day starter, is available on the midseason marketplace, after he rejected the team’s most recent offer of a contract extension. The Jays are interested enough that they’ve scouted him extensively this season. Their pro scouting director, Perry Minasian, attended his start Monday at Wrigley Field. Furthermore, the Cubs have evaluated the Jays' farm system, and there are strong indications they would trade Samardzija to Toronto if the Jays offered Triple-A right-hander Aaron Sanchez, Double-A left-hander Daniel Norris, and Class-A center fielder Dalton Pompey. The problem: The Jays maintain they won’t include Sanchez, Norris and Pompey in the same offer for Samardzija — or any other available player, including Tampa Bay ace David Price. The Jays may be willing to trade one or two players from that group. But not all three. At least, not yet. Thus, with one month and change before the July 31 non-waiver deadline, Samardzija is a Cub.

 

In that way, the Samardzija Stalemate is becoming one of the key subplots of Trade Deadline 2014. Blue Jays general manager Alex Anthopoulos never has been at the helm of a first-place team this late in the season, and he’s hearing calls to act from a fan base — indeed, an entire country — that hasn’t witnessed October baseball in 21 years. But patience has served him well so far in 2014. He kept right-handed pitching prospect Marcus Stroman despite offseason trade inquiries, and now Stroman is thriving in the major league rotation — including a command performance (eight innings, one earned run) in a win over the Yankees on Monday night. The Jays will probably upgrade their rotation before the deadline, although not necessarily with Samardzija. They are said to prefer Price (2012 American League Cy Young Award winner; definitely available) or Philadelphia’s Cole Hamels (three-time All-Star; possibly available). The track records of Price and Hamels more closely approximate those of Zack Greinke, Cliff Lee and CC Sabathia — who won Cy Youngs before teams parted with multiple high-end prospects to acquire them in recent years. Samardzija, 29, has yet to make an All-Star team.

 

The Cubs, meanwhile, are led by two executives — Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer — who own World Series rings because of their deadline acumen. Epstein, you recall, was the GM bold enough to trade Boston icon Nomar Garciaparra 10 years ago. Samardzija isn’t as desirable as Price, who’s performed better while proving himself in the American League East. But the Cubs realize that, given the scarcity of available pitching, they’re justified in high asking prices for Samardzija and fellow starter Jason Hammel — even if the Jays (and perhaps other teams) don’t regard Samardzija '14 as the equivalent of Sabathia '08 or Lee '09.

In Monday’s no-decision against the Reds — six innings, one earned run — Samardzija proved again why he warrants such close scrutiny from Blue Jays scouts. His uncommon repertoire includes a slider that reached 88 mph and devastating split-fingered fastball; those swing-and-miss pitches allowed him to escape trouble in the middle innings.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Partially agree.

Sean Nolin isn't the big deal anyway (Ross Detwiler ceiling)

 

For me the trade off of difference between Hammel and what Nolin would/should pitch like is, I'd rather not be giving up a prospect, plus paying Hammel's salary for an early 30's pitcher. When we could have Nolin for dirt cheap and allocate the money saved to another need.

[DuckDuckGose]

I just read this on my fantasy website and thought id share with you. It says there's more at foxsports.com

 

Cubs, Blue Jays at a stalemate for Jeff Samardzija

The Cubs and Blue Jays can't agree on a deal for pitcher Jeff Samardzija, according to FoxSports.com.

The Cubs are willing to make a deal, but Toronto is hesitant to meet Chicago's demands. The Cubs are reportedly asking for three prospects, pitcher Aaron Sanchez, pitcher Daniel Norris and outfielder Dalton Pompey. The Blue Jays are rumored to be willing to part with maybe one or two of those players, but do not want to deal all three. Samardzija is expected to be dealt by the trade deadline. He owns a 2.53 ERA over 103 innings.

 

It's my first post, so be easy on me! Thx

 

I wouldn't make that deal for Samardzija but I'd add a piece or two if they included Starlin Castro.

 

Something like Sanchez + Norris + Pompey + Nolin + Deck for Samardzija + Castro.

[NorthOf49]

I'm not saying Hammel is the answer, but we're so high on the marginal win curve that upgrading everywhere we can will probably be worth it. Second-tier prospect for #4 starter/platoon infielder.

[admin]

Samardzija is pretty good, I wouldn't give up the farm for him though. And I'd want to extend him, but he thinks he's worth more than he is.

Outside the box, Dickey+ for Lee. Evens out the ridiculous contract a bit and I bet Dickey pitches well there.

Then we have Lee for two more years, along with Bau, EE and Lind.

[ElNik2013]

I'm not saying Hammel is the answer, but we're so high on the marginal win curve that upgrading everywhere we can will probably be worth it. Second-tier prospect for #4 starter/platoon infielder.

 

 

This be what I'm thinking. McCarthy type rental plus a solid MIF. Anyway, we'll see.

[HERPDERP]

zero chance on meeting Cubs' desires

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24597120/hammel-and-a-2b-on-jays-list-floated-samardzija-deal-has-zero-chance

[Frenchsoup]

zero chance on meeting Cubs' desires

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24597120/hammel-and-a-2b-on-jays-list-floated-samardzija-deal-has-zero-chance

 

That's what I like to hear.

[billjc33]

At this point I could not handle trading Norris, the upside is to high. I would do Sanchez, Stilson, Pompey. If thats not enough I'm out.

[reedjohnsonfan]

This be what I'm thinking. McCarthy type rental plus a solid MIF. Anyway, we'll see.

 

I don't get all the love for McCarthy. So he has a nice K:BB... who cares? The Jays need to do better than him if they are serious about a championship.

[kgm1]

zero chance on meeting Cubs' desires

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24597120/hammel-and-a-2b-on-jays-list-floated-samardzija-deal-has-zero-chance

 

here is part of it on MLB TR

The Blue Jays are highly unlikely to deal for Cubs hurler Jeff Samardzija, and the clubs have not swapped trade proposals in some time. While a deal centered around pitching prospects Aaron Sanchez and Daniel Norris has been floated in the media, a source tells Heyman that there is “zero chance” that Toronto would part with that package.

 

Stick to your guns AA. That is way too much

[reedjohnsonfan]

Stick to your guns AA. That is way too much

 

It might be their time to win. I'd rather see a couple of contending seasons and then a garbage team than more mediocre-good seasons which we always have to watch. I'm not sure the Jays have much of a choice but maybe the price will change.

[pickoff22]

I don't get all the love for McCarthy. So he has a nice K:BB... who cares? The Jays need to do better than him if they are serious about a championship.

 

Thank you. I cringe everytime I read his name - if we're making a trade to try to win, I want an arm that I can rely on. McCarthy wouldn't instil much more confidence in me then when Happ takes the mound. We need an impact player.

[HERPDERP]

It's because McCarthy has been unlucky and is poised to progress to the mean.

 

And compared to Samardz he will come at a much, much cheaper price.

[reedjohnsonfan]

It's because McCarthy has been unlucky and is poised to progress to the mean.

 

And compared to Samardz he will come at a much, much cheaper price.

 

I don't disagree, but he's also a lot cheaper because he's not nearly as good. Not needed IMO.

[GD]

you don't progress to the mean

 

you regress to the mean

[reedjohnsonfan]

you don't progress to the mean

 

you regress to the mean

 

We know what he meant. No need to be that guy lol.

[HERPDERP]

you don't progress to the mean

 

you regress to the mean

 

wat

 

edit: didn't know the term 'regression' doesn't mean something bad, just movement

[Convo]

you don't progress to the mean

 

you regress to the mean

 

LOL..... of course you can progress to the mean.

 

What planet do you live on?

[HERPDERP]

LOL..... of course you can progress to the mean.

 

What planet do you live on?

 

I think he's using the technical meaning of 'regression to the mean', or 'reversion', which is pretty neutral. Or in layman terms, regression of the mean is supposed to mean 'movement towards the mean', no matter what direction

[GD]

LOL..... of course you can progress to the mean.

 

What planet do you live on?

 

regression is moving towards a mean iirc

 

so if you will, positive regression

 

then progression is getting better, period

 

and retrogression is getting worse, period

 

I think

 

E: Basically what herpderp is saying

[pickoff22]

I'm not going to trade for a guy because he's been so unlucky or bad that I expect him to pitch well going forward. We're trying to add pieces that we are confident will help us win more games, not ones that are a crapshoot.

[Orgfiller]

I'm not going to trade for a guy because he's been so unlucky or bad that I expect him to pitch well going forward. We're trying to add pieces that we are confident will help us win more games, not ones that are a crapshoot.

 

Are you talking about Price? Because if so LOL.

[pickoff22]

Are you talking about Price? Because if so LOL.

 

McCarthy.

[Tuco]

Are you talking about Price? Because if so LOL.

 

Keep up man.

[Convo]

regression is moving towards a mean iirc

 

so if you will, positive regression

 

then progression is getting better, period

 

and retrogression is getting worse, period

 

I think

 

E: Basically what herpderp is saying

 

I think he's using the technical meaning of 'regression to the mean', or 'reversion', which is pretty neutral. Or in layman terms, regression of the mean is supposed to mean 'movement towards the mean', no matter what direction

 

Regression does make sense in both cases. Though from my understanding progression to the mean makes sense too and is more descriptive since it distinguishes between negative regression and positive regression.

[CHRIS]

It's because McCarthy has been unlucky and is poised to progress to the mean.

 

Uh oh.

 

I'm guessing the next couple of pages are going to be rage nerd posts.