the playoffs should be easy to make...

[RIPEXPOS]

Sometimes teams know more than the fans do looking at their boxscores. Maybe they think a promotion will focus Sanchize? Him seeing the finish line (for a prospect), and all?

[Chappy]

Sometimes teams know more than the fans do looking at their boxscores. Maybe they think a promotion will focus Sanchize? Him seeing the finish line (for a prospect), and all?

 

I hope so, I just don't buy it, but I really hope I'm wrong.

[Caper]

Feeding the fans is all I can think of. Sanchez has been s*** and yet he gets promoted?

 

I honestly don't think there are any realistic pitchers available to us anyhow. There is Shark and Price.... but the cost is too much.

[jaysfaithful8]

If there are meaningful games in September, fans like yourself can go f*** yourselves, you don't deserve to watch them. Better yet, when the meaningful games in September do roll around, go post your s*** on some fairweather band wagoner site.

 

Pathetic f***ing people.

 

I'd prefer to have meaningless September games and meaningful October games. In other words, I will be hoping that we can put up a big enough lead to not have to worry too much come September.

[saskjayfan]

Sometimes sure, but he has major flaws and has an absolutely horrendous walk rate, and when I say horrendous I mean laughable. Not top prospect should be walking nearly 6 every 9 innings. The higher up he goes the more his atrocious control or lack there of will be exposed.

 

You haven't seen the guy pitch. Your whole basis for evaluation is the guys walk rate. His hits per 9 are very low but that's all luck. Roy halladay walked 5.6 and struck out 5.9 per 9 when he was 23. You would have traded him and lost out on one of the dominant guys in the game for the next 10 years.

 

Sanchez clearly needs more work, but you have no idea how close he is to improving his control issues. I get the feeling you'd trade Sanchez for a middle reliever right now which is stupid.

[Captain Adama]

You haven't seen the guy pitch. Your whole basis for evaluation is the guys walk rate. His hits per 9 are very low but that's all luck. Roy halladay walked 5.6 and struck out 5.9 per 9 when he was 23. You would have traded him and lost out on one of the dominant guys in the game for the next 10 years.

 

Sanchez clearly needs more work, but you have no idea how close he is to improving his control issues. I get the feeling you'd trade Sanchez for a middle reliever right now which is stupid.

Nice strawman.

[GD]

Inb4 saskjay saw him in a youtube video that one time

 

From seeing him in person, in plenty of video and I've read his statline, yeah, Chappy is right.

[saskjayfan]

Inb4 saskjay saw him in a youtube video that one time

 

From seeing him in person, in plenty of video and I've read his statline, yeah, Chappy is right.

 

So you saw him in spring training and a 3 minute youtube clip and you know what he is. Give me a break. Firstly, you seeing him in person means nothing if you don't know what you're looking for. Sorry, for being a bit skeptical about your expert talent assessment. He's still ranked as a pretty high prospect.

 

I have no idea if he will pan out or not, but for all of you who think you definitely know what Sanchez is or isn't or what he will become...again give me a break. You're not as smart as you think you are.

[GD]

You didn't answer his question. How many times have you seen him pitch? Why does your expert opinion matter far more than any of ours? Why aren't you concerned about the walks?

[ElNik2013]

Everyone is concerned about the walks, but by many reports, he also doesn't get hit hard and induces tons of groundballs, nothing wrong with pointing it out as well as his lack of command. Like The Hurl said after he watched him pitch on tv, it could be a release point problem.

 

From what I've read, several prospect followers say the movement on his fastball makes it more difficult for him to command it.

 

We'll see what happens.

[ElNik2013]

You didn't answer his question. How many times have you seen him pitch? Why does your expert opinion matter far more than any of ours? Why aren't you concerned about the walks?

 

 

Why are you helping your buddy King? And where did saskjayfan claim he had ever seen him pitch and/or that he wasn't concerned about the walks?

 

Also, where did he claim his expert opinion mattered "far more than any of ours"?

 

Anyway, who cares, if he pans out, those who claim he won't will just say "oh, but there were legitimate reasons to doubt he would". And if he doesn't, they'll just call AA an idiot for not trading him in some imaginary trade.

[John_Havok]

Why are you helping your buddy King? And where did saskjayfan claim he had ever seen him pitch and/or that he wasn't concerned about the walks?

 

Also, where did he claim his expert opinion mattered "far more than any of ours"?

 

Anyway, who cares, if he pans out, those who claim he won't will just say "oh, but there were legitimate reasons to doubt he would". And if he doesn't, they'll just call AA an idiot for not trading him in some imaginary trade.

 

Because he keeps disagreeing with those that are skeptical and creates false narratives, yet doesn't offer anything in rebuttal other than what basically boils down to "well since the club is doing it, it must be the right thing to do"

 

They want to know why he thinks promoting him was the right thing to do and want substance in the answer.

[Doc]

Pathetic.

 

Hey, I'm sorry about that I live and die by this team and sometimes it screws with my emotions, I was just upset.

[saskjayfan]

You didn't answer his question. How many times have you seen him pitch? Why does your expert opinion matter far more than any of ours? Why aren't you concerned about the walks?

 

I have no opinion on how good he can be. I base my opinion off scouting reports I've read and the sample size of his stats, which are 322 innings spread over 4 years of the ages 17 to 21. There isn't enough playing time for me to be certain of anything when you are talking about such a young kid developing with the type of arm and movement he has. Would I prefer to see a lower walk rate..sure. Do I think he can cut that walk rate down..sure. Do I think that there's a possibility that he will never get the command to become a dominant pitcher and be a bust like drabek....sure that could happen too. Many wanted to dole out 50 mil for Jiminez who has a career walk rate of 4.3 in the majors with a much larger sample size, and they won't give Sanchez who is a kid developing with a 4.9 walk rate ion the minors a chance?

 

Baseball minds far more bright than my own rank him as a high prospect. I don't understand why people have definitively come to the conclusion of bust on this kid already. These were my points. I don't know s***, but I don't think many on here know much more than me about the kid.

[ElNik2013]

Because he keeps disagreeing with those that are skeptical and creates false narratives, yet doesn't offer anything in rebuttal other than what basically boils down to "well since the club is doing it, it must be the right thing to do"

 

He did say the following:

 

His hits per 9 are very low but that's all luck. Roy halladay walked 5.6 and struck out 5.9 per 9 when he was 23. You would have traded him and lost out on one of the dominant guys in the game for the next 10 years.

 

Sanchez clearly needs more work, but you have no idea how close he is to improving his control issues. I get the feeling you'd trade Sanchez for a middle reliever right now which is stupid.

 

 

They want to know why he thinks promoting him was the right thing to do and want substance in the answer.

 

 

Concerns about the walks are legit, but there are other stats that are positive like his hits per 9 and groundball rate. The guy tried to point these out above, but at the end of the day, it's a matter of opinion. There's obviously some who like/dislike eachother on this board, but some here will never admit to being wrong. Despite picking the team to contend last year, they called it a s***** team and did so up to April of this year. There's no accountability, but I know it's the nature of a message board.

 

Anyway....

[GD]

I have no opinion on how good he can be. I base my opinion off scouting reports I've read and the sample size of his stats, which are 322 innings spread over 4 years of the ages 17 to 21. There isn't enough playing time for me to be certain of anything when you are talking about such a young kid developing with the type of arm and movement he has. Would I prefer to see a lower walk rate..sure. Do I think he can cut that walk rate down..sure. Do I think that there's a possibility that he will never get the command to become a dominant pitcher and be a bust like drabek....sure that could happen too. Many wanted to dole out 50 mil for Jiminez who has a career walk rate of 4.3 in the majors with a much larger sample size, and they won't give Sanchez who is a kid developing with a 4.9 walk rate ion the minors a chance?

 

Baseball minds far more bright than my own rank him as a high prospect. I don't understand why people have definitively come to the conclusion of bust on this kid already. These were my points. I don't know s***, but I don't think many on here know much more than me about the kid.

 

We shouldn't be using IP when using Sanchez, as he doesn't go very far into games. GS or TBF would be better. I just don't see why you're giving Chappy such a hard time for being concerned with him when you don't have a strong opinion. You cherry picked one example of a very different pitcher and are now chiding Chappy for having a very legitimate concern yet you don't even have an opinion on him himself. And then you create a ridiculous straw man saying he'd trade him for a MRP.

 

Also, I saw him in regular season action, not ST

[GD]

Concerns about the walks are legit, but there are other stats that are positive like his hits per 9 and groundball rate. The guy tried to point these out above, but at the end of the day, it's a matter of opinion. There's obviously some who like/dislike eachother on this board, but some here will never admit to being wrong. Despite picking the team to contend last year, they called it a s***** team and did so up to April of this year. There's no accountability, but I know it's the nature of a message board.

 

His GB% is very impressive, nobody is worried about that. It's the minor leagues and the sample size isn't great for batted ball luck, but Sanchez seems great at inducing weak contact so far. However, not only is he walking the park, he's not striking out enough guys to justify it. Either you can strike out an okay amount of guys and not walk anyone or you can strike out a ton of guys and walk a lot too but when you're only striking out an okay amount of batters and walking a ton of guys then you aren't gonna get anywhere and that's the concern with Sanchez. He has a 1.43 K-BB% and that's not really good enough. When Halladay walked 5 guys, he was just under the league average for K/9. That was in the MLB. Sanchez struck out 7.77 batters/9 in AA and the MLB average is 7.78 this year. He needs to be striking out more guys or walking fewer guys but he isn't doing either right now.

[ElNik2013]

His GB% is very impressive, nobody is worried about that. It's the minor leagues and the sample size isn't great for batted ball luck, but Sanchez seems great at inducing weak contact so far. However, not only is he walking the park, he's not striking out enough guys to justify it. Either you can strike out an okay amount of guys and not walk anyone or you can strike out a ton of guys and walk a lot too but when you're only striking out an okay amount of batters and walking a ton of guys then you aren't gonna get anywhere and that's the concern with Sanchez. He has a 1.43 K-BB% and that's not really good enough. When Halladay walked 5 guys, he was just under the league average for K/9. That was in the MLB. Sanchez struck out 7.77 batters/9 in AA and the MLB average is 7.78 this year. He needs to be striking out more guys or walking fewer guys but he isn't doing either right now.

 

 

Everyone knows he's walking too many and striking out too few, but thanks for pointing out the obvious.

[saskjayfan]

We shouldn't be using IP when using Sanchez, as he doesn't go very far into games. GS or TBF would be better. I just don't see why you're giving Chappy such a hard time for being concerned with him when you don't have a strong opinion. You cherry picked one example of a very different pitcher and are now chiding Chappy for having a very legitimate concern yet you don't even have an opinion on him himself. And then you create a ridiculous straw man saying he'd trade him for a MRP.

 

Also, I saw him in regular season action, not ST

 

Sanchez struck out 14 over his last 11 and 2/3rds while walking only 3. Was it luck, did he make adjustments. Why did the Jays want to promote him. Did they want to see how his stuff played at the next level. Did they want him to work with a different pitching coach, catcher, be around a different type of player. I have no idea what their reasons were. I'm giving the organizational management structure the benefit of the doubt because they have all the information.

 

I know it's popular to disagree with every decision AA makes. He's clearly wrong all the time. Posters here who are working with far less information can easily make the right decisions. This game is so easy to make the right decisions that it's amazing how incompetent AA is when he has all the information and is still making the wrong decisions when joe blow can discern what is right or wrong with a fraction of the information.

 

Time will tell whether or not it was wise to move Sanchez up to AAA. I don't have an issue with people discussing why it may not be the correct decision. I just take issue with those that are convinced it was wrong. I don't understand how you could possible come to that conclusion.

 

I'm Switzerland, it's more about getting on the constant Jays bashers. I wish the Jays would have replaced AA in the offseason....maybe it wouldn't be so negative around here all the time.

[GD]

Sanchez struck out 14 over his last 11 and 2/3rds while walking only 3. Was it luck, did he make adjustments. Why did the Jays want to promote him. Did they want to see how his stuff played at the next level. Did they want him to work with a different pitching coach, catcher, be around a different type of player. I have no idea what their reasons were. I'm giving the organizational management structure the benefit of the doubt because they have all the information.

 

I know it's popular to disagree with every decision AA makes. He's clearly wrong all the time. Posters here who are working with far less information can easily make the right decisions. This game is so easy to make the right decisions that it's amazing how incompetent AA is when he has all the information and is still making the wrong decisions when joe blow can discern what is right or wrong with a fraction of the information.

 

Time will tell whether or not it was wise to move Sanchez up to AAA. I don't have an issue with people discussing why it may not be the correct decision. I just take issue with those that are convinced it was wrong. I don't understand how you could possible come to that conclusion.

 

I'm Switzerland, it's more about getting on the constant Jays bashers. I wish the Jays would have replaced AA in the offseason....maybe it wouldn't be so negative around here all the time.

 

We both know 11 innings isn't a sample worthy of consideration. It's encouraging but it isn't enough to sway an opinion. I know you're giving them the benefit of the doubt but I don't trash every single move AA makes. He makes some good depth moves, he recognizes team needs, he isn't the worst GM in the league. But I just can't support saying that a move is the right one because it was the one that was made. There's no substance to that. It has nothing to do with AA, I just don't understand why Sanchez was promoted when he's walking too many and not striking out enough. And giving them the benefit of the doubt doesn't have substance. It's blind faith.

[RealAccountant]

Indeed

[Jayday]

WTF does this even mean?

 

Hit 40-40?.. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

 

Well Olerud363 is wrong,you are that stupid.He is bang on,realistically, fans know when their jays have dug themselves a hole they might not get out of. It's fine to be optimistic,but is it fine to be unrealistically optimistic ? Of course it is, but not at the expense of raging at clear logical thinkers as you did in the example below.

 

" If there are meaningful games in September, fans like yourself can go f*** yourselves, you don't deserve to watch them. Better yet, when the meaningful games in September do roll around, go post your s*** on some fairweather band wagoner site.

 

Pathetic f***ing people. "