MLB 2014 Trade Deadline Discussion Thread

[BarkatToronto]

winning a world series is special. At the time of the trade Kent had played 65 games. Sure he was a promising young player, but you didn't know exactly what you had. Cone came in and posted a 2.55 ERA the rest of the season with the Jays and the Jays won 3 of the 4 playoff games Cone started and won both of the world series games he started. Without Cone they may not have won the world series. Winning a world series trumps everything.

 

Kent posted a .770ish OPS in his years with the Mets. He didn't start posting hall of fame numbers until he was 30 to 39. If we had not made the trade the jays would have had a good young player developing who would have posted a .770ish OPS and then left via free agency. Those are definitely good numbers, but not hall of fame numbers. Those numbers would not have been the difference in the Jays making the playoffs from 94 to 99. We didn't trade a hall of famer for a rental. We traded a young player for a stud pitcher that quite likely put us over the top and gave us our first world series. Kent didn't become a hall of famer until his later years and he wouldn't have been a Jay anyways. The mets never made the post season with Kent in their lineup.

 

you have to make that trade 100% of the time

 

Even knowing Kent is a hall of famer, knowing you will win the world series

[G-Snarls]

winning a world series is special. At the time of the trade Kent had played 65 games. Sure he was a promising young player, but you didn't know exactly what you had. Cone came in and posted a 2.55 ERA the rest of the season with the Jays and the Jays won 3 of the 4 playoff games Cone started and won both of the world series games he started. Without Cone they may not have won the world series. Winning a world series trumps everything.

 

Kent posted a .770ish OPS in his years with the Mets. He didn't start posting hall of fame numbers until he was 30 to 39. If we had not made the trade the jays would have had a good young player developing who would have posted a .770ish OPS and then left via free agency. Those are definitely good numbers, but not hall of fame numbers. Those numbers would not have been the difference in the Jays making the playoffs from 94 to 99. We didn't trade a hall of famer for a rental. We traded a young player for a stud pitcher that quite likely put us over the top and gave us our first world series. Kent didn't become a hall of famer until his later years and he wouldn't have been a Jay anyways. The mets never made the post season with Kent in their lineup.

 

I actually completely agree, I was just being provocative. I'd make that trade every time too. At the time he wasn't needed, and no idea how he'd turn out.

 

Do I trade Aaron Sanchez now (knowing he's 50/50 to even be a big league pitcher, but could be a future star) for Shields if it's clear we need a Shields to make the run? Yeah I probably do. I'm just not totally sure we need to do that right now. And we have another 4-5 weeks or so to decide.

[jays_fever]

Does anyone else think we need another solid right hander for the pen. Cecil, LOup and Dusty are pretty reliable but beyond that we don't have another solid reliever besides Janseen

[ace3113]

Wasn't going to make this thread until at least a few weeks into June, but I guess we can get a headstart after this tweet:

 

 

As long as we don't part with Stroman, Hutchison, Norris, and Pompey I'm happy. They can have Sanchez and whoever else they want.

[ace3113]

How would you guys feel about trading Rasmus for prospects and flipping those prospects for a pitcher? Money out, money in.

[BarkatToronto]

I can definitely see teams being interested in Deck Mcguire too, former 1st round draft pick that is doing a good job in AAA. Definitely a good prospect now

[ElNik2013]

Does anyone else think we need another solid right hander for the pen. Cecil, LOup and Dusty are pretty reliable but beyond that we don't have another solid reliever besides Janseen

 

 

No doubt, but it could be Santos even though I have my doubts as to whether he ever throws another pitch for the Blue Jays. If he's able to come back, he will strengthen the bullpen. If Delaball can raise the bar again, that would be great.

 

John Stilson could be another option so hopefully his injury isn't too serious. We'll see what happens.

[BarkatToronto]

How would you guys feel about trading Rasmus for prospects and flipping those prospects for a pitcher? Money out, money in.

 

I think that is a strong play. However its not good to trade Roster players if you are in a championship year. If you trade Rasmus, and get an outfield injury, now you have Pillar starting everyday.

[GD]

How would you guys feel about trading Rasmus for prospects and flipping those prospects for a pitcher? Money out, money in.

 

Jays get Liriano

Mariners get Rasmus

Pirates get Franklin

 

???

 

No idea lol

[ace3113]

Jays get Liriano

Mariners get Rasmus

Pirates get Franklin

 

???

 

No idea lol

 

I might actually prefer Franklin in that scenario. Also the Bucs have Walker at 2b already.

[GD]

I might actually prefer Franklin in that scenario. Also the Bucs have Walker at 2b already.

 

Was thinking short. I don't know, I can't imagine any starters with value similar to Rasmus that might get dealt.

 

Niese? Cueto? Latos?

[ace3113]

AA said he'd prefer a 1 year rental so the list might be something like:

 

Josh Beckett

Jorge De la Rosa

Kevin Correia

Gavin Floyd

Jason Hammel

Aaron Harang

Kyle Kendrick

Hiroki Kuroda

Francisco Liriano

Justin Masterson

Wandy Rodriguez

James Shields

Edinson Volquez

 

Of those names I probably prefer Shields, Masterson, De la Rosa, Floyd, Hammel in that order, though Josh Beckett is somewhat tempting at 7-3 with a 3.07era and a 0.94whip in his playoff career.

[ace3113]

Was thinking short. I don't know, I can't imagine any starters with value similar to Rasmus that might get dealt.

 

Niese? Cueto? Latos?

 

Niese for Rasmus might be good. We know Alderson and JP love Rasmus, and they need outfield help. We'd probably have to throw something in though as Niese is controllable for longer and Rasmus is an upcoming free agent.

[GD]

Okay, yeah, Masterson is probably ideal.

 

I'd rather just grab Shields and keep our OF depth but eh.

[BarkatToronto]

everyone here better prepare for Kyle Kendrick then

[Ziggyy108]

Philly loses again ....

 

What would Cliff Lee realistically take to get???

[Brenner]

Philly loses again ....

 

What would Cliff Lee realistically take to get???

 

Hard to determine because his contract is a poison pill. If Philly eats half the money they might be able to get a couple decent prospects.

[Ziggyy108]

Hard to determine because his contract is a poison pill. If Philly eats half the money they might be able to get a couple decent prospects.

 

Id rather take that entire mammoth contract on and give up less if possible

[BarkatToronto]

^Is Lee even healthy.

 

Hasn't pitched for a month. I dont think I am prepared to give up big prospects for a possibly injured Lee

[GeorgiaPeach]

I said the Rangers as in the Matt Garza trade last year - Mike Olt, C.J Edwards, Justim Grimm and a couple others for a few months of Garza.

 

= bad bad precedent

 

What's wrong with trading all your future assets for decent SP?

 

Casual fans make the world go 'round, so may as well go all-in while maintaining a finger on the pulse to know how far to bury this team for the future.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Jays get Liriano

Mariners get Rasmus

Pirates get Franklin

 

???

 

No idea lol

 

I'd rather have Franklin

[flafson]

Id rather take that entire mammoth contract on and give up less if possible

 

Are you paying the bill?

[TwistedLogic]

I'd rather have Franklin

 

Can I ask why, exactly?

[G-Snarls]

Beeston says we can take on salary

[TwistedLogic]

I don't understand why people get a boner for a player and then get permanent tunnel vision for him the rest of their lives. Franklin has been abysmal this year, and after 120 career games, he's got a total of 0.4 fWAR.

 

He's got poor plate discipline, he's poor on the bases, he's poor on defense and his bat is horrific. Even Tolleson is a better option than him for the time being (which is all that matters in a contending year). I'd maybe understand there's even a shred of an argument if someone were building for the future, but the Mariners just optioned him to the minors, and if the Pirates or Jays were dumb enough to give them a 3-win player in Liriano or Rasmus for him in a year where all three teams plan on contending, Jack Z would laugh his bald dumb ass all the way to the bank and not think twice.

 

A 23 year old 2B with 4 more years of control > half a season of a #3 pitcher.

 

JP Arencibia has several years of control left as well. Let's bring him back while we're at it.

 

When you need a "#3 pitcher", you don't trade that away for a replacement level 2nd baseman that would be a downgrade on what you already have because he has "years of control". If teams were dumb enough to follow strategies like this, you guys wouldn't have to be speculating on these trades, they'd just happen, all the time.

[John_Havok]

I don't understand why people get a boner for a player and then get permanent tunnel vision for him the rest of their lives. Franklin has been abysmal this year, and after 120 career games, he's got a total of 0.4 fWAR.

 

He's got poor plate discipline, he's poor on the bases, he's poor on defense and his bat is horrific. Even Tolleson is a better option than him for the time being (which is all that matters in a contending year). I'd maybe understand there's even a shred of an argument if someone were building for the future, but the Mariners just optioned him to the minors, and if the Pirates or Jays were dumb enough to give them a 3-win player in Liriano or Rasmus for him in a year where all three teams plan on contending, Jack Z would laugh his bald dumb ass all the way to the bank and not think twice.

 

Jack Z couldn't make those trades even if he wanted too, he spent every spare cent they had on Cano to get them an extra 3 or 4 wins.

[TwistedLogic]

Hell, let's trade for Gyorko. Young, controllable 2nd baseman, had a great year last year. We could really use his -1.1 wins more than a serviceable starting pitcher during that pennant race we're all dying to get to.

[Trouba95]

Speaking of the Padres, would they deal Andrew Cashner? And if so, what would it take from our side to bring him here? I know he's been discussed at length on this forum before.

[GD]

Don't think they deal Cashner.

[jays4life19]

Speaking of the Padres, would they deal Andrew Cashner? And if so, what would it take from our side to bring him here? I know he's been discussed at length on this forum before.

 

They did trade Matt Latos, so i guess its possible. I would assume the Padres would look to build around a pitcher like Cashner. He has 2.5 years left of control....i would say he's more likely to get an extension in the coming years. He would have huge trade value though...