What to do with Gose when Colby returns?

[Maahfaace]

Overreacted on the John McDonald comparison. Gose is the special player that we fought hard to get into our system. He's on the verge of breaking out to become an everyday impact type CF. It just irks me to no end that the likes of Colby Rasmus can potentially destroy this. Gose is at a sensitive spot in his career and it has to be dealt with carefully. He's mentally done with the minors, its obvious. He needs to be shown that management is behind him and he'll flourish guaranteed, you can smell it. So if we trade Rasmus now instead of at the deadline we'll get a bit less in return, big deal. It's not worth the developmental risk sitting or sending down Gose at this point. Rasmus will not be extended, Melky will.

 

Gose is our CFer.

 

I really don't think a few weeks will hurt his development, and if bringing in a better sp is the byproduct of waiting until the deadline, you wait.

[BigCecil]

I don't see the issue here?

 

I don't think we win last night without Gose's D play and I don't think that throw gets rushed into an E on the "walk off sac bunt". Gose has to stick for speed and D. However, I don't think he is close to the hitter Rasmus is and I don't see Rasmus as close to Gose on D. (no way Colby makes that wall catch last night)

 

Rasmus is streaky as fuk and Ks too much, but he put up an .840 OPS 2013 and played steady average to + D in CF for 120 games. He is very good and still has upside imo.

 

Colby starts when back. He is incented as hell as FA to bring his best to the table. Gose is our 4th OF and will get time against RHP, spot starts and D replacement, pinch running = cheap weapon.

 

Gose cant learn anything more in AAA imo.

 

Then we deal Colby, or resign to a Jays friendly extension or we look at QO option as things emerge. Fellow Jays fans....this is a bounty of riches we should celebrate.

[Jayday]

He can also provide value on a daily basis being a pinch runner and defensive replacement off the bench. The only reason against that would be that he needs playing time every day to develop. I think Gose is beyond that player development stage. The team is built to win now and your best shot at that is having Rasmus' bat in there every day with Gose's speed and defensive skill to be applied when needed.

 

And this is how it will play out,unless some team wants to trade a viable

starting pitcher and demands Rasmus as part of the package.

[jb22]

You're kidding yourself if you actually think Rasmus provides more overall value than Gose. Rasmus is streaky but Gose provides value on a daily basis. Recipe for success.

 

Rasmus put up 4.8 WAR last year, you're the one kidding yourself.

[BigCecil]

And this is how it will play out,unless some team wants to trade a viable

starting pitcher and demands Rasmus as part of the package.

 

Teams who would want Colby are unlikely to part with the SP arm we need because they are in it.

[The Cats Ass]

Does Gose remind anyone else of Carlos Gomez? They are very similar.

[Angrioter]

Does Gose remind anyone else of Carlos Gomez? They are very similar.

 

No way!!. Gomez is a stud (+30 dingers pop, +30 SB and GG caliber CF)

[G-Snarls]

Agree with Big Cecil

 

When Rasmus gets back, he is everyday CF and there is really no debate. Gose gives OF guys some off days, pinch runs, and late game defensive replacement for Melky. Pillar or Francisco is optioned to Buffalo.

 

Colby gets a QO after the season and leaves for Seattle or Arizona and Gose is the everyday CF in 2015, possibly in a semi-platoon with Pillar. Melky and Bautista are kept.

Edited May 29, 2014 by G-Snarls

[The Cats Ass]

No way!!. Gomez is a stud (+30 dingers pop, +30 SB and GG caliber CF)

 

Ya, Gomez is at this point. But look at their numbers when they were the same ages. Gomez put up stats very close to Gose's at each age. Gomez only started to break out around 26 years old.

[KingKat]

Ya, Gomez is at this point. But look at their numbers when they were the same ages. Gomez put up stats very close to Gose's at each age. Gomez only started to break out around 26 years old.

 

Yeaht that's an interesting comparison. Gomez finally broke out when his coaches gave up on making him a slap hitter and let him swing hard like he wanted to. Is that what's holding back Gose? I kind of doubt it but it does show that just because a guy has speed doesn't mean that a typical leadoff hitter approach will work. Everyone's wired a little differently. Gomez maybe more differently than most.

[Angrioter]

Ya, Gomez is at this point. But look at their numbers when they were the same ages. Gomez put up stats very close to Gose's at each age. Gomez only started to break out around 26 years old.

 

It's about projections.

Gomez hit = Gose hit

Gomez pop >>> Gose pop

[dineke]

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[The Cats Ass]

It's about projections.

Gomez hit = Gose hit

Gomez pop >>> Gose pop

 

Gomez 20 yrs in AA = 7 HR in 120 Gms

Gose 20 yrs in AA = 16 HR in 137 Gms

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Does Gose not try or something in the minors? How can a guy who appears to be completely lost against minor league pitching be half decent against major league pitching?

[z3r0s]

a bit OT, but man Gose was a bad interview last night. I always remembered him having some personality as he was coming up. what happened?

[The Cats Ass]

Yeaht that's an interesting comparison. Gomez finally broke out when his coaches gave up on making him a slap hitter and let him swing hard like he wanted to. Is that what's holding back Gose? I kind of doubt it but it does show that just because a guy has speed doesn't mean that a typical leadoff hitter approach will work. Everyone's wired a little differently. Gomez maybe more differently than most.

 

Maybe, he did display some HR power in double A. I'm not saying that Gose is going to turn into Gomez. I just thought that they matched up very well throughout their careers so far. I feel like that could be his absolute ceiling.

[G-Snarls]

Does Gose not try or something in the minors? How can a guy who appears to be completely lost against minor league pitching be half decent against major league pitching?

 

A lot of people have said that. He is hungry and plays all out when he's in the majors. He sulks and coasts in AAA. (To be fair no real reports of sulking in 2014 but there definitely were last year) Odd way to behave after being optioned.

[Sammy225]

A lot of people have said that. He is hungry and plays all out when he's in the majors. He sulks and coasts in AAA. (To be fair no real sulking reports in 2014 but there definitely was last year) Odd way to behave after being optioned.

 

You would think you would want to go out there and prove that they made a mistake. If that is the case i am not a big fan of that attitude.

[The Cats Ass]

Does Gose not try or something in the minors? How can a guy who appears to be completely lost against minor league pitching be half decent against major league pitching?

 

Some guys just go into cruse control sometime. I've heard some places that that is what happened with Gose and at times he seemed disinterested in what was going on. It's a bad attitude to have, but some guys are just like that.

[BallsDeep]

Why are we getting in an argument over which of the 2? We need them both. Figure the rest out in the off-season.

[KingKat]

Some guys just go into cruse control sometime. I've heard some places that that is what happened with Gose and at times he seemed disinterested in what was going on. It's a bad attitude to have, but some guys are just like that.

 

Was Carlos Gomes like that? lol. I'm just kidding but at the same time given what we know about Gomez it really wouldn't surprise me.

[Dick_Pole]

Teams who would want Colby are unlikely to part with the SP arm we need because they are in it.

 

Perhaps they would part with a Hutchison type of arm. Someone who (on their staff) would be a #5 guy today with future upside but is an obvious upgrade to Liam Hendricks for the Jays.

[Jaysfan_85]

Rasmus is the starting CF when healthy. END OF DISCUSSION.

[Terminator]

Rasmus CF, Pillar 4th OF and Gose AAA

 

I agree. We need Pillar in there to hit against lefties.

 

Sucks to send Gose down but I'd rather have the guy who can provide platoon value over someone who would merely be a 4th OF.

[RIPEXPOS]

Does Gose not try or something in the minors? How can a guy who appears to be completely lost against minor league pitching be half decent against major league pitching?

This is why minor league stats can be misleading. For a guy like Gose, someone who is knocking on the door of the bigs and has had a couple of cups of coffee already, the minors are like spring training, and players approach at-bats to work on specific things as opposed to trying to get results...

[Kelly Gruber]

Colby Rasmus actually seems like a pretty good fit with KC. They are a team starving for a power hitter. We could really use someone like Shields. Both free agents at end of year.

 

Lorenzo Cain interests me as someone to platoon with Gose although his splits are pretty even l vs r recent years and maybe not that much better than a Pillar? Would be nice to have some depth for Gose if we are trading Rasmus.

 

Shields/Cain for Rasmus + prospects?

[BigCecil]

Does Gose not try or something in the minors? How can a guy who appears to be completely lost against minor league pitching be half decent against major league pitching?

 

I think Gose is cocky and an enigma. Other than speed and D his offense is a complete question mark still. He has an awesome AB last night and has looked better but 2014 SMALL SAMPLE SIZE.

 

His SB % along with his minor league avg weren't great, but he may be one of the rare guys who can transcend those numbers in MLB. MLB pitchers will start to adjust to him if he becomes a threat and I'm excited to see how it handles it. This guy needs an OBP. I think he can be one of those guys who learns to cut down his swing and be very selective. .650 OPS ish. Stick!

[gruber92]

Good times.

 

Hey f*** head.. why are you getting me involved and posting made up s***? I haven't made a single post in days.

[G-Snarls]

Sorry if already mentioned but very important... Did we use Gose's last option this year or does he still have one left we could use in 2015??

[Mikeleelop]

I used to believe Rasmus would automatically get cf back but look at the defensive stats. This season Rasmus is bottom of the league bad and Gose is gold glove caliber good.

 

When do you say defence is important enough to keep Gose on the field. Especially with two other lugs in left and right field