AA considering Hendriks as 5th starter

[saskjayfan]

we'd get to chant aussie aussie aussie oi oi oi if he pitched...so that's a plus.

[ElNik2013]

I'm ok with giving Hendriks a shot. The problem for me is that I also want Stroman in the rotation. Right now though, it does make sense to go with the fully stretched out arm. AA f***ed up by calling up Stroman only to go into the pen. Hendriks is a guy that I have liked for a couple years. He got slaughtered in Minnesota, but I do think he could be a decent option for the rotation.

 

 

This is what pisses us all off. Had they left him at AAA till mid June, it would be a different story. Instead, they started his service time to pitch out of the bullpen thus further confirming AA's reliever fetish.

[Angrioter]

I saw Rogers in the dugout, please don't!!!!

 

Same thought when i saw him.

[Chappy]

This is what pisses us all off. Had they left him at AAA till mid June, it would be a different story. Instead, they started his service time to pitch out of the bullpen thus further confirming AA's reliever fetish.

 

What an odd fetish to have. If I were AA I would have a fetish for making good decisions.

[ElNik2013]

This is happening, you can take it to the bank:

 

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140517&content_id=75810680&notebook_id=75810452&vkey=notebook_tor&c_id=tor

[ElNik2013]

What an odd fetish to have. If I were AA I would have a fetish for making good decisions.

 

 

If he had it under control, he would've looked somewhat smart for trading D'Arnaud, but keeping Gomes, even if by pure luck. Unfortunately, he couldn't resist trading for a dime a dozen middle reliever like Rogers.

[Orgfiller]

If he had it under control, he would've looked somewhat smart for trading D'Arnaud, but keeping Gomes, even if by pure luck. Unfortunately, he couldn't resist trading for a dime a dozen middle reliever like Rogers.

 

If he had traded our top prospect for a relief pitcher the board would have exploded.

[ElNik2013]

If he had traded our top prospect for a relief pitcher the board would have exploded.

 

 

I meant that if he had kept Gomes and he had the season he had last year, he would at least look somewhat smart for Gomes's emergence.

 

I didn't mean to imply that he should've traded D'Arnaud instead of Gomes for Rogers, lol.

[ElNik2013]

This is happening, you can take it to the bank:

 

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140517&content_id=75810680¬ebook_id=75810452&vkey=notebook_tor&c_id=tor

[Chappy]

If he had it under control, he would've looked somewhat smart for trading D'Arnaud, but keeping Gomes, even if by pure luck. Unfortunately, he couldn't resist trading for a dime a dozen middle reliever like Rogers.

 

That is complete BS. No one thought Gomes was anything. Most people upset at the trade were upset at losing Aviles, I have a hard time recollecting anyone upset about losing Gomes.

[Chappy]

I meant that if he had kept Gomes and he had the season he had last year, he would at least look somewhat smart for Gomes's emergence.

 

I didn't mean to imply that he should've traded D'Arnaud instead of Gomes for Rogers, lol.

 

Looking smart and being smart are two different things. We need a GM who is actually good at what he does. AA might be that guy, but the past two winters suggest he might not be.

[ElNik2013]

That is complete BS. No one thought Gomes was anything. Most people upset at the trade were upset at losing Aviles, I have a hard time recollecting anyone upset about losing Gomes.

 

 

Well, that's kind of the point. If he had kept him and he had the season he had last year, some people would've thought AA was smart for keeping him even though it would've been a fluke.

 

Another point was that because of his fetish for middle relievers, he prevented himself from looking somewhat smart if Gomes had taken over as the starting catcher.

[ElNik2013]

Looking smart and being smart are two different things. We need a GM who is actually good at what he does. AA might be that guy, but the past two winters suggest he might not be.

 

Of course they are different things, I said looking smart because he clearly had no clue Gomes could be an every day catcher. And no, he's not a smart GM, it's been proven. The way he's handling Stroman is further proof.

[ElNik2013]

That is complete BS. No one thought Gomes was anything. Most people upset at the trade were upset at losing Aviles, I have a hard time recollecting anyone upset about losing Gomes.

 

 

Also, the fact that fans didn't think Gomes was anything doesn't mean much as it's not their job. It was AA's job to know what he had in Gomes and he was clueless, but anyway.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Aussie football on tsn2 right now. Hendriks deserves a start solely because he used to play this.

[Terminator]

I'm ok with giving Hendriks a shot. The problem for me is that I also want Stroman in the rotation. Right now though, it does make sense to go with the fully stretched out arm. AA f***ed up by calling up Stroman only to go into the pen. Hendriks is a guy that I have liked for a couple years. He got slaughtered in Minnesota, but I do think he could be a decent option for the rotation.

 

AA said something along the lines of going with Hendricks avoids having to use a starter who is limited to 65-80 pitches for a couple of starts as they gain arm strength. If he wouldn't have put Stroman in the bullpen for two weeks this whole problem would have been avoided.

 

We are going to need 7 or 8 starters by the end of the season. Hendricks likely would have gotten his shot sooner or later but he should have been in line behind Stroman and then Redmond.

[flafson]

Pretty sure nobody took me seriously when i mentioned his name in the other thread when Dustin went back to the pen.

Does he still have options though? Cause if he comes up and doesn't do so well the first time, we may lose him very quickly.

[Chappy]

Well, that's kind of the point. If he had kept him and he had the season he had last year, some people would've thought AA was smart for keeping him even though it would've been a fluke.

 

Another point was that because of his fetish for middle relievers, he prevented himself from looking somewhat smart if Gomes had taken over as the starting catcher.

 

Gomes was a nothing prospect. Sure he amounted to something more, but no one thought he would, can't blame AA for this. It's easy to expect more from him, but he is human and let's be fair.

[Chappy]

AA said something along the lines of going with Hendricks avoids having to use a starter who is limited to 65-80 pitches for a couple of starts as they gain arm strength. If he wouldn't have put Stroman in the bullpen for two weeks this whole problem would have been avoided.

 

We are going to need 7 or 8 starters by the end of the season. Hendricks likely would have gotten his shot sooner or later but he should have been in line behind Stroman and then Redmond.

 

You are right. That being said, Hendriks has earned a spot. AA's mismanagement has put this team in a tough spot, but it's not the end of the world given how Hendriks has performed. Stroman will get his shot, and to be quite honest it should have happened by now, but I'm ok with this move.

[Chappy]

Of course they are different things, I said looking smart because he clearly had no clue Gomes could be an every day catcher. And no, he's not a smart GM, it's been proven. The way he's handling Stroman is further proof.

 

And no one on this board who had the power of hindsight predicted Gomes would amount to anything either. Can't fault AA for not recognizing fluke prospects.

[Chappy]

Also, the fact that fans didn't think Gomes was anything doesn't mean much as it's not their job. It was AA's job to know what he had in Gomes and he was clueless, but anyway.

 

Not really, no one in anything related to MLB thought Gomes would amount to anything. s*** happens, but let's be fair, AA f***ed up on Gomes, but he more than made up for that on Francisco. AA is far from clueless. I like to kid but I doubt he is inept.

[kgm1]

Hendriks has at least 1 option left and has pitched as well as Stroman in AAA. Stroman hasn't pitched well since his call up. Had he done well I'm sure he would have got the start. As Chappy said Stroman will get his chance and getting a little experience in the majors has given him some idea of what to work on in AAA.

 

I don't mind this move. I would love to send Rogers down to stretch him out ,work on his slider and get him going in the right direction but that won't be possible as he won't clear waivers so we live with what we have.

[Caper]

That is complete BS. No one thought Gomes was anything. Most people upset at the trade were upset at losing Aviles, I have a hard time recollecting anyone upset about losing Gomes.

 

I don't think you met Adam Greenwood.

[ElNik2013]

And no one on this board who had the power of hindsight predicted Gomes would amount to anything either. Can't fault AA for not recognizing fluke prospects.

 

 

Again, no one on this board gets paid to be the GM of an MLB team, so yes, you can fault AA and his entire staff for not recognizing Gomes' abilities.

[ElNik2013]

Not really, no one in anything related to MLB thought Gomes would amount to anything. s*** happens, but let's be fair, AA f***ed up on Gomes, but he more than made up for that on Francisco. AA is far from clueless. I like to kid but I doubt he is inept.

 

 

I have no problem giving credit where credit is due, but let's wait on proclaiming Francisco to be the real deal. Also, it was super scout EE who recommended they sign him, so I don't know. The Indians immediately put Gomes behind the plate whereas the Blue Jays and their myriad scouts had him playing multiple positions so they must've had a clue. Former Jays catcher Kevin Cash works for them and was involved in advising Cleveland on getting him. s*** happens, but let's face it, it shouldn't take a legitimate backup IF and a guy like Gomes to land a dime-a-dozen middle reliever.

 

Regardless, I was merely pointing out that if AA didn't have a reliever fetish, he likely wouldn't have dealt these 2 useful players for a reliever. Anyway...

[ElNik2013]

Do you really think that's it? That they just whoopsied, and had Stroman lined up for a possible rotation spot, but then, after bad timing (promotion to the MLB pen), they just couldn't put him in the rotation?

 

It's poppycock. Just smoke they're blowing in order to attempt to appease all parties affected (Stroman, fans, etc.).

 

They don't want him (Stroman) in the rotation right now. That's all.

 

 

Basically, another truth bomb from Moogy...lol.

 

It really does boil down to this. They really should've just left him alone in Buffalo. I don't see what good pitching an inning here and an inning there will do for his development.

 

Anyway...

[eastcoastjaysfan]

And no one on this board who had the power of hindsight predicted Gomes would amount to anything either. Can't fault AA for not recognizing fluke prospects.

 

There were several people who were upset that Gomes was dealt. Young, cheap, versatile guy... There were several suggestions that he would be used as a super utility guy.

[ElNik2013]

There were several people who were upset that Gomes was dealt. Young, cheap, versatile guy... There were several suggestions that he would be used as a super utility guy.

 

 

Exactly right. The issue for me was why would it take Aviles and Gomes to land a middle reliever? Bad process led to a bad result. We couldn't know what type of catcher he was because they had him playing 3B and 1B. Anyway...

[jayswin11]

Despite all their efforts to not be, the JAYS are still in a position to make a run at the playoffs. If they truly meant what they said last year about seizing a window of opportunity to compete then they need to make a move for a decent SP (at least a #2 type guy). Buehrle, Hutch are doing well, Dickey can eat innings as a #4. But simply hoping that Happ, Hendriks, Stroman, Redmond, Rogers, or some other guy sitting in AAA are going to catch fire and lead this team to the playoffs won't cut it.

 

I think we could afford to move Rasmus in a deal for pitching if necessary, ideally we wouldn't but could be worth it.

[ElNik2013]

So AA was in Buffalo to watch Hendriks and he also discussed The Stroman Plan:

 

"I don’t think there is a scenario where we would keep him [stroman] in a long role," said Anthopoulos. "The thought when we called him up was that he could give us a boost late in the game," he added but, "now with McGowan back and with Janssen back we have definitely discussed potentially either putting him in the rotation in Toronto, or having him come back here and start and be stretched out and available".

 

Link: http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2014/5/18/5727946/bison-recap-and-alex-anthopoulos-speaks

 

 

I said at the time, it made more sense to call up Stilson to give the bullpen a boost, but who knows.