Morrow moved to end of Blue Jays’ rotation

[eastcoastjaysfan]

LOL @ Hutch being our #2.

 

Does it get any worse than that?

[Anemic0ffense]

LOL @ Hutch being our #2.

 

Does it get any worse than that?

 

With his stuff, he may end up becoming one, but yeah... heading into the year like this is just a let down whether it's just a "set up" or not.

[Atothe]

LOL @ Hutch being our #2.

 

Does it get any worse than that?

 

I think Dickey will ounce to being above average but who else in this rotation will be better? Not MB, Morrow is a huge ?? andnot redmond? I think he will be at least our second best pitcher this year.

[8D]

LOL @ Hutch being our #2.

 

Does it get any worse than that?

 

Romero? I'm sure it can get worse.

 

Who knows with Hutch though... I wouldn't be entirely surpirsed if he pitched like a #2-3 this year.

[saskjayfan]

LOL @ Hutch being our #2.

 

Does it get any worse than that?

 

why don't you enlighten us with the qualities that a number 2 should possess.

[Stangstag]

Soft yet firm, pliable yet dry. An intense aroma that fills the room with your presence.

 

Gotta admit, this made me breathe out of my nose louder than usual.

[kgm1]

Morrow just flat out needs more time and with his history they are taking it slow with him . The good thing is that Hutch is pitching very well and fits great between dickey and Buehrle . Sure we need Morrow to step back up and pitch to his potential but It will all flesh out in April and in the mean time be thankful hutch is pitching like a two .

[awsomest]

why don't you enlighten us with the qualities that a number 2 should possess.

 

more than 60 innings pitched in the majors.

[flafson]

more than 60 innings pitched in the majors.

 

Just be thankful he's not given the number 1 job.

[Stangstag]

You guys are all reading into this way too much... Only reason Morrow is pitching 5th is so that he will start the home opener.

 

This does not mean that the org thinks that Hutch is a #2. This only means that AA doesn't want Hutch or Redmond/Happ/Rogers starting the home opener.

[saskjayfan]

Just be thankful he's not given the number 1 job.

 

yeah, because the number 1 gets so many more starts than the number 2, 3, 4 or 5 for that matter. Numbers are for fans. The way the 5 rotation guys start the season does not matter. The opening day is for the guy who is your top dog you are rewarding with the start of the season to set the tone. The next time numbers become relevant are when you enter the post season. No one believes we are headed to the playoffs, so why does this thread get so much traction in spring training?

[KingKat]

You guys are all reading into this way too much... Only reason Morrow is pitching 5th is so that he will start the home opener.

 

This does not mean that the org thinks that Hutch is a #2. This only means that AA doesn't want Hutch or Redmond/Happ/Rogers starting the home opener.

 

If they are holding him back for the home opener, why don't they just say so? If the idea is to honour him with that distinction then why be so backhanded about it and let all this injury and readiness talk float? At best, there seems to be mixed motives at work.

Edited March 18, 2014 by KingKat

[Atothe]

You guys are all reading into this way too much... Only reason Morrow is pitching 5th is so that he will start the home opener.

 

This does not mean that the org thinks that Hutch is a #2. This only means that AA doesn't want Hutch or Redmond/Happ/Rogers starting the home opener.

 

Really that's all it is, really? How did you come to this conclusion?

[bendera3]

I think that given the uniqueness of what we have in our rotation, we need to optimize the outcome since we didn't sign anyone new. , flutterer, flamerthrower, junkballer, some guy, flamethrower, repeat

[KingKat]

Why does everyone need labels? Hutch is between Dickey and Buehrle because he throws hard, end of story. ECJF should know better.

 

I see the benefit in seperating Buehrle and Dickey but Morrow could theoretically do that just as well as Hutch and that's what everyone would have expected going into spring training. There's a couple of scenarios at play to explain Hutch over Morrow in the 2 spot.

 

1. The official explanation is that this will provide Morrow more time to get ready and that he needs it. This seems perfectly sensible given that Hutch looks all the way back and has emerged as a viable alternative to Morrow as the sandwich between Dickey an Buehrle.

 

2. They are essentially flipping Morrow and Hutch so that Morrow can start the home opener. If that was the reason, I feel like they would be upfront about it and not honour a guy while simultaneously raising a bunch of question marks. I don't think the Jays would have any problem going with Hutch in the home opener if they weren't holding back Morrow. The Jays have gone with young pitcher in the home opener before. They had Henderson Alvarez do it a couple of years ago.

[G-Snarls]

You guys are all reading into this way too much... Only reason Morrow is pitching 5th is so that he will start the home opener.

 

This does not mean that the org thinks that Hutch is a #2. This only means that AA doesn't want Hutch or Redmond/Happ/Rogers starting the home opener.

 

Exactly. He's only the number "5" starter for schedule purposes. This does not mean they think he's the 5th best starter on the team. (Though I worry he could turn out be despite previously being a big Morrow fan)

[NorthOf49]

Joel Carreno was our #3 starter in 2012, order doesn't really mean anything lol. Kudos to the Jays for maximizing the comparative starting pitching effect.

[CHRIS]

Everyone's making too big a deal out of this. As long as we understand that Dickey is a 1A, Beuhrle is a 2B, Hutch is a 3A, Morrow is a 2B to 2D and Happ is a 7A-.

 

It's not complicated people.

[Atothe]

Ya they're moving Morrow back because they think he needs the extra rest he can get. But I was referring to the need of labels of putting Hutch 2nd. Cant believe ECJF was complaining that Hutch was 2nd.

 

I would agree with this. I don't trust morrow to stay healthy and he was trying way too to be something he wasn't the last 2 years.

[Stangstag]

Joel Carreno was our #3 starter in 2012, order doesn't really mean anything lol. Kudos to the Jays for maximizing the comparative starting pitching effect.

 

Holy f*** I forgot about that. Didn't Alvarez start the home opener that season? Weird times

[The_DH]

Maybe we need to come up with a new term for this. There is a difference between a number 5 starter and fifth up in the rotation. A team could have 5 number 5 starters. There used to be a definition of each type:

- ace - 3 pitches above average control and command. one dominant

- 2 - 2 pitches above average control and command and a third average pitch

- 3 - 2 pitches average control and a third pitch

- 4 - 2 pitches average, one below

- 5 - 1 average pitch, 2 below

 

Or something like that.

[KingKat]

Holy f*** I forgot about that. Didn't Alvarez start the home opener that season? Weird times

 

Yep. That off-season was a lot like this one. Very little activity. The big move that year was Santos and he blew the first save for Alvarez. This was actually my first time at the Rogers Center. It was brutal to watch Santos struggle to find the plate and give the game away (of course, we didn't know at the time that he was injured).

[Stangstag]

Yes, and IIRC the Jays lost that home opener 1-0 or something with Santos blowing the save in his first opportunity as a Blue Jay.

 

IIRC, the final score was 2-4 for Boston. Santos came in with the score 2-1 and he blew it. I was there and it was such a brutal let down. Santos blew his first 2 save ops. He blew that 2nd game in Cleveland, and then he blew the home opener.

[Sammy225]

Damn I forgot that that was actually his second blown save. That sucks. I do remember that crazy season opener, and JP's 16th-inning three-run bomb.

 

Can't believe we let that clutch catcher get away. Look at the Brightside I bet we have a chance to claim him in a months time

[TwistedLogic]

I think Burlay as the third starter is the best spot they could put him in, because it's just as varied a difference between three starters as you can possibly have (in a three game series, you face the knuckler on day one, gas on day two, and then old man Burlay's slow rollers on day three). It just takes the Dickey effect that extra step further, because batters have to make three totally different adjustments before each game.

[jerb]

 

Brendan Kennedy

‏@BKennedyStar

If the #bluejays stick to their plan of using Morrow in 5th spot, it looks like he'll take on Tanaka at home opener: http://t.co/2DWbzzxkiy

[saskjayfan]

 

Brendan Kennedy

‏@BKennedyStar

If the #bluejays stick to their plan of using Morrow in 5th spot, it looks like he'll take on Tanaka at home opener: http://t.co/2DWbzzxkiy

 

the Yankees just spent 175 mil on a number 4 pitcher. Must be nice to have that kind of dough.

[NorthOf49]

Why use pitches? why not something like:

 

Ace true talent ERA- <= 90

#2 97 >= ERA- > 90

#3 102 >= ERA- > 97

#4 108 > ERA- > 102

#5 ERA- >= 108

With a durability component too.

 

Ace - consistently pitches 220+ innings

#2 - consistently over 200

#3 - consistently makes 30 starts, at least 185 innings

#4/5 - consistently makes 25 starts

[The_DH]

They go together. The main point is that being the fifth guy in order to start doesn't make you a fifth starter, a team could have four aces and a number two.

[G-Snarls]

I think Burlay as the third starter is the best spot they could put him in, because it's just as varied a difference between three starters as you can possibly have (in a three game series, you face the knuckler on day one, gas on day two, and then old man Burlay's slow rollers on day three). It just takes the Dickey effect that extra step further, because batters have to make three totally different adjustments before each game.

 

It all sounds great on paper...