Ian Kinsler rips Rangers - calls Daniels a "sleazeball"

[G-Snarls]

[G-Snarls]

it was well-known throughout the game that there was a power struggle going on between Ryan and Daniels, who had acquired the title of president of baseball operations last March in a front office restructuring that ultimately led to Ryan's departure after the season. Kinsler squarely blames the man who traded him. "Daniels is a sleazeball," he says. "He got in good with the owners and straight pushed Ryan out. He thought all the things he should get credit for, Ryan got credit for. It's just ego. Once we went to the World Series, everybody's ego got huge, except for Nolan's."

[G-Snarls]

f*** f*** f*** I wish our deal for him had gone through

 

Pissed off motivated players tend to have big years

[HERPDERP]

Anyone think he'll be hated more than Hamilton now? I don't think anyone hated Kinsler when he was with the Rangers.

[flafson]

So I just time-traveled back six minutes to respond to this post. No big deal.

 

Good job.

[G-Snarls]

Woah!

 

At least he didn't call Daniels an uphill gardener!

[G-Snarls]

So I just time-traveled back six minutes to respond to this post. No big deal.

 

Cut and pasting errors on my part

 

Either that or you are operatin 6 minutes ahead of the rest of us

 

Creepy thought LOL

[Dr. Dinger]

HOWARD KINSLER, A former Arizona prison warden who would hit grounders to his son for hours on end, calls Ian often. They talk about how change can be a good thing and about how Ian can return to being an elite player. "What you get back tells you how good the players involved were," his dad tells him. "You got traded for Prince Fielder, dude."

 

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I'm guessing Howard Kinsler has no concept of baseball economics.

[mitchf]

HOWARD KINSLER, A former Arizona prison warden who would hit grounders to his son for hours on end, calls Ian often. They talk about how change can be a good thing and about how Ian can return to being an elite player. "What you get back tells you how good the players involved were," his dad tells him. "You got traded for Prince Fielder, dude."

 

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I'm guessing Howard Kinsler has no concept of baseball economics.

Well no, he's probably old school and therefore ignorant. He's a "30/100" fan.

[Stangstag]

HOWARD KINSLER, A former Arizona prison warden who would hit grounders to his son for hours on end, calls Ian often. They talk about how change can be a good thing and about how Ian can return to being an elite player. "What you get back tells you how good the players involved were," his dad tells him. "You got traded for Prince Fielder, dude."

 

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I'm guessing Howard Kinsler has no concept of baseball economics.

 

 

By that Logic, RA Dickey is one of the best pitchers in baseball

[TwistedLogic]

By that Logic, RA Dickey is one of the best pitchers in baseball

 

He was at the time of his trade? And he still could be.

[NorthOf49]

By that Logic, RA Dickey is one of the best pitchers in baseball

And Bartolo Colon is the greatest pitcher in history. He's as good as Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips and Grady Sizemore combined!

[The Cats Ass]

He was at the time of his trade? And he still could be.

 

He had something tweaked in his back for most of the year last year. Take a look at this stats for the last 12 games of the season.

[Stangstag]

Sorry guys... it was kind of a joke

[L54]

LAST SEASON, KINSLER says, the Rangers didn't feel like his team anymore. It had been two years since the club won 96 games with Josh Hamilton, C.J. Wilson and Michael Young, one of Kinsler's closest friends. Young, the franchise's career leader in games played, hits, runs, doubles, triples and total bases, was dealt to Philadelphia in December 2012. "It hurt us," Kinsler says. "He held everything together." The Young trade was, in Kinsler's view, a misguided move that left a leadership void in the clubhouse.

 

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I know many will disagree, but to me this is still an important part of building a team. Pencil pushers will disagree, and thats fine. But the game is still played between the lines.

[Stangstag]

So dos this mean the Jays will lose 90 games when they trade Bautista?

[The Cats Ass]

He pitched "most of" 2012 with a torn abdominal muscle that required surgery following the year. The injury is believed to have occurred in the second start of the year.

 

He pitched through a partial tear of his plantar fascia in his right foot in 2011, suffered in May of that year.

 

Now we're supposed to believe 1. a "back tweak" got the best of him last year, and 2. he won't continue to get fairly serious injuries each year which may inhibit his performance.

 

So an abdominal muscle and the back are the same thing are they? You do know some parts of the body are used more then others while pitching...

[The Cats Ass]

Exactly, he pitched 16 f***ing starts with injury, so many people seem to ignore this.

 

I think they're the same people who think Melky will continue to playing like s*** and run like an old man this year.

[John_Havok]

LAST SEASON, KINSLER says, the Rangers didn't feel like his team anymore. It had been two years since the club won 96 games with Josh Hamilton, C.J. Wilson and Michael Young, one of Kinsler's closest friends. Young, the franchise's career leader in games played, hits, runs, doubles, triples and total bases, was dealt to Philadelphia in December 2012. "It hurt us," Kinsler says. "He held everything together." The Young trade was, in Kinsler's view, a misguided move that left a leadership void in the clubhouse.

 

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I know many will disagree, but to me this is still an important part of building a team. Pencil pushers will disagree, and thats fine. But the game is still played between the lines.

 

I think most will agree that clubhouse chemistry is important, but you need talent first. You don't build for chemistry.

[The Cats Ass]

Try rotating through a pitching motion with a torn abdominal. Compare that to a slightly wonky, but not seriously injured, back. I've pitched with a pulled muscle in the ribcage, and with a not-as-yet-fully-healed compression fracture in the lower back. The former being a much more benign injury than the latter. The pulled muscle was horrid. Excruciating. The compression fracture was an annoyance. But each case is different, of course. However, explain to me the biophysics of pitching that results in the back being used "more then [sic]" the abdominal muscles. Because you could re-write the world of biomechanics and anatomy. Which would be cool. You'd be important.

 

It depends how badly it's torn. I'm guessing it wasn't so bad to have him stop pitching or to effect his performance. His back though seemed to be worse and it effected his pitching. Looking at Dickey' pitching motion it looks like he uses his back more then his abdomen. If he had a sore back that gave him pain every time to bent over he'd suffer.

[The Cats Ass]

That bolded statement is possibly the dumbest regarding the pitching motion, that I've ever read. Ever. At any level. Possibly the only type of statement that could top it is something akin to "that LHP's right arm is more important than his left."

 

Regardless, his abdominal muscle was badly enough torn that it had to be surgically repaired. The back was "bad enough" that it corrected itself while he was still pitching, evidently ... without significant rest, even. He was apparently unaffected enough to be able to bend down and twist around enough fielding his position to win a Gold Glove.

 

Oh, I didn't know you were a sports doctor. Sorry about questioning your profession.

 

And, again, it's "more than" not "more then."

 

GSSBHBS and then DIAF

[KingKat]

2. he won't continue to get fairly serious injuries each year which may inhibit his performance.

 

No one should expect a lot of innings from Happ. He's at the very best a 150 IP guy and that was 4 years ago. He's basically a swing man. The hope is that he'll be at least decent in the innings he does pitch.

[John_Havok]

No one should expect a lot of innings from Happ. He's at the very best a 150 IP guy and that was 4 years ago. He's basically a swing man. The hope is that he'll be at least decent in the innings he does pitch.

 

Exactly. Happ's lack of innings likely won't be the result of injury, it'll be the result of him being an awful pitcher who throws 100 pitches through 4-5 innings far more often than not since he can't throw strikes.

[Anemic0ffense]

I really hate watching him pitch. If he's good he'll throw like 110 pitches through 5.1 innings, walk 3, and allow only 3 runs. If he's bad he can't find the strike zone at all and is done before he can go 3.

 

I guess taxing the bullpen is the big part of what they wanna do here.

[G-Snarls]

I really hate watching him pitch. If he's good he'll throw like 110 pitches through 5.1 innings, walk 3, and allow only 3 runs. If he's bad he can't find the strike zone at all and is done before he can go 3.

 

He's a nightmare for the bullpen

 

(of course so was Johnson last year but that was out of nowehere, for Happ it's just his nature)

[Fearthedoc]

Good. A monster year from Ian Kinsler is coming.

[G-Snarls]

When's the last time the word "sleazeball" was used?

[John_Havok]

When's the last time the word "sleazeball" was used?

 

Probably anytime Hurl talks to women half his age, followed by a drink thrown in his face.

[KingKat]

They're talking about RA Dickey mate.

 

Oh yeah... I kind of lost the plot there.

[John_Havok]

Oh yeah... I kind of lost the plot there.

 

despite that, what you said about Happ was correct.