Angels/Trout talking "monster" extension

[KingKat]

The concern for me about Fielder is his weight. If he can keep it under control, he'll probably be playable until the end, but that seems kind of iffy. The last 3 years of that contract they may be paying him to be the world's fattest (but happiest) cheerleader.

 

Let's put it this way, I give Fielder better odds of losing weight than I give Pujols odds of getting younger.

[The Cats Ass]

Informal poll: A decade from now, which will be seen as the worst long term contract in the history of modern baseball:

 

Alex Rodriguez

Albert Pujols

Prince Fielder

Robinson Cano

Zack Grienke

 

Cano or Fielder. Fielder's won't look quite as bad for the Rangers since the Tigers are paying 6Mil a year towards it.

[G-Snarls]

Cano or Fielder. Fielder's won't look quite as bad for the Rangers since the Tigers are paying 6Mil a year towards it.

 

Sure and good point. But still "overall contract" will look ugly no matter who's paying.

Edited February 24, 2014 by G-Snarls

[Muck Bartinez]

Informal poll: A decade from now, which will be seen as the worst long term contract in the history of modern baseball:

 

Alex Rodriguez

Albert Pujols

Prince Fielder

Robinson Cano

Zack Grienke

 

Very hard question to answer because there's so many factors. In a vaccuum, I'd say A-Rod simply because it's the most money in terms of dollars and in terms of what the $/WAR was at the time of the signing. That being said, he got suspended which saves the Yankees from paying him for a year, plus that is one team that can absorb a bad contract and not suffer totally.

 

I think the Cano one might be the worst because it might represent the biggest portion of a team's spending ability out of all of these.

 

If the Pujols contract prevents the Angels from keeping Trout long-term, then that contract might be the worst.

 

The Fielder one could be the worst because he seems like he could decline in a hurry and was never truly elite.

 

Long term contracts seem like the worst for pitchers because they can always be one pitch away from being sunk.

[jays_fever]

I actually think they SHOULD. Honestly, the haul they could get would likely help their team overall far more than Trout would alone, especially if you consider the money it would also free up in the last few years of the contract he'd get.

 

There was some discussion a while back about hypothetical trade scenarios for Trout and they all involved the Cardinals. I just don't believe you should ever trade a 10 war player if he's still on the right side of 30, regardless of how much he will impact your payroll going forward.

[KingKat]

Informal poll: A decade from now, which will be seen as the worst long term contract in the history of modern baseball:

 

Alex Rodriguez

Albert Pujols

Prince Fielder

Robinson Cano

Zack Grienke

 

I just realized that I assumed you were talking about the infamous Rangers contract but the Yankees contract is awfully stupid and a big worse contract contender. They had all the leverage and still gave the idiot what he wanted. They should have walked away. The big thing that salvages it is that the Yankees have more money to burn than other clubs.

[G-Snarls]

I just realized that I assumed you were talking about the infamous Rangers contract but the Yankees contract is awfully stupid and a big worse contract contender. They had all the leverage and still gave the idiot what he wanted. They should have walked away. The big thing that salvages it is that the Yankees have more money to burn than other clubs.

 

Yeah I almost typed "Yankees contract" after his name, was maybe not so clear

[G-Snarls]

Very hard question to answer because there's so many factors. In a vaccuum, I'd say A-Rod simply because it's the most money in terms of dollars and in terms of what the $/WAR was at the time of the signing. That being said, he got suspended which saves the Yankees from paying him for a year, plus that is one team that can absorb a bad contract and not suffer totally.

 

I think the Cano one might be the worst because it might represent the biggest portion of a team's spending ability out of all of these.

 

If the Pujols contract prevents the Angels from keeping Trout long-term, then that contract might be the worst.

 

The Fielder one could be the worst because he seems like he could decline in a hurry and was never truly elite.

 

Long term contracts seem like the worst for pitchers because they can always be one pitch away from being sunk.

 

Excellent points. It's not that simple is it?

[KSaw]

Hot wife should be mowing lawn in a bikini

 

One of the funniest things I've ever read! At 22 with 150 million, he should have a hot trophy wife mowing the lawn in a bikini daily!!!!

[TwistedLogic]

Fielder or Cano. Pujols will bounce back, but I can see these two becoming pumpkins fast.

 

...based on what?

 

The Pujols contract is very likely to be the worst free agent contract ever signed.

[Angrioter]

...based on what?

 

The Pujols contract is very likely to be the worst free agent contract ever signed.

 

Pujols will hit again. 100% sure.

"I was playing with a damaged rim and a deflated wheel; now things will be different"

[Boxcar]

Why thank you, points out I can't be bothered to research everything I plan on posting to satisfy your requirements. But you know what, imagine what this forum would be like if every time you made a forecast or evaluated a team that dozens of people brought up your predictions for the 2013 AL East ? Wow, we'd just be swamped with negativity. Or maybe you could exercise some restraint ?

 

So you're comparing subjective predictions (stuff that hasn't happened yet) with a fact that could be looked up in two minutes? When you tried to make a point about A-Rod and how well the "trade" worked out, did something not click in your brain that maybe you should see who he was traded for?

 

Thanks for the sig. Your cavernous gaps in logic are precious to me.

[TwistedLogic]

Pujols will hit again. 100% sure.

"I was playing with a damaged rim and a deflated wheel; now things will be different"

 

Has his wheel been losing air for the past six years? Where along the point of his decline, which spans a half-decade now, did his wheel lose its air? On his 37th birthday?

[Boxcar]

Has his wheel been losing air for the past six years? Where along the point of his decline, which spans a half-decade now, did his wheel lose its air? On his 37th birthday?

 

Ok, you disagree based on nothing but your own intuition. You should probably let it go.

[Angrioter]

Has his wheel been losing air for the past six years? Where along the point of his decline, which spans a half-decade now, did his wheel lose its air? On his 37th birthday?

 

Pujols decline = Encarnacion prime

[G-Snarls]

I'm going to say Pujols as well. He has yet to have a single season where he's worth what they're paying him. At least ARod had a couple MVP caliber years and Fielder is still relatively young. I have seen nothing that suggests Pujols will rebound. And even if he does, how long can it last??

[The Cats Ass]

One of the funniest things I've ever read! At 22 with 150 million, he should have a hot woman mowing the lawn in a bikini daily!!!!

 

ftfy

 

He'd be stupid to get a wife at this point in time.

[G-Snarls]

He's had two seasons and was worth his contract in 2012?

 

Actually yeah, I didn't realize (until I just looked) that he only made 12M in 2012. And was worth 3.7 fWAR.

 

It's the upcoming years of 28-30M that are likely going to be the problem.

[TwistedLogic]

Ok, you disagree based on nothing but your own intuition. You should probably let it go.

 

I know you like to comment at me a lot, and I wonder if you've noticed that I rarely ever respond to you, but if you haven't, here I am pointing it out. I find most of the posts you make towards me scarce of any substance, and don't usually feel it worth my time to come up with a response, but since you seem to always go to the trouble, I thought I'd try to get the point across. I mean I could just flat-out tell you how much of a moron you often come off as, the above post being a prime example of that, where you tell me I disagree based on "nothing but my intuition", when I repetitively stated that my opinion is actually based on a very clear six-year statistical decline, but that would just embarrass you, and neither of us wants that. I don't know what I did to get all that sand in your panties, but whatever it was, get a clue and "let it go". Of course there's the good chance that you'll take the "I don't care" route, so if in the future you feel that you need to comment at me for some sort of high school peer-approval satisfaction, then you go right ahead, as that is your prerogative. There's just a good chance that you'll probably be wasting your time.

[Boxcar]

I know you like to comment at me a lot, and I wonder if you've noticed that I rarely ever respond to you, but if you haven't, here I am pointing it out. I find most of the posts you make towards me scarce of any substance, and don't usually feel it worth my time to come up with a response, but since you seem to always go to the trouble, I thought I'd try to get the point across. I mean I could just flat-out tell you how much of a moron you often come off as, the above post being a prime example of that, where you tell me I disagree based on "nothing but my intuition", when I repetitively stated that my opinion is actually based on a very clear six-year statistical decline, but that would just embarrass you, and neither of us wants that. I don't know what I did to get all that sand in your panties, but whatever it was, get a clue and "let it go". Of course there's the good chance that you'll take the "I don't care" route, so if in the future you feel that you need to comment at me for some sort of high school peer-approval satisfaction, then you go right ahead, as that is your prerogative. There's just a good chance that you'll probably be wasting your time.

 

Thank you! The point of contention is that you claimed there was little evidence that Pujols would bounce back, which isn't true. I honestly didn't notice I post a lot at you, or that you don't respond. Not something I keep track of.

[TwistedLogic]

Thank you! The point of contention is that you claimed there was little evidence that Pujols would bounce back, which isn't true. I honestly didn't notice I post a lot at you, or that you don't respond. Not something I keep track of.

 

Where did I make that claim? It wouldn't be hard for you to find it, since all of my posts on the subject were all made on this page. The only claim I made was that Pujols' statistics have steadily declined for the past six seasons, all across the board; an irrefutable fact. Aside from that, I simply asked what the belief in Pujols' bouncing back is based on. When all of his numbers tell one story, I'd like to know what makes someone think he can come back and be worth his contract, other than "he used 2 b gud".

[8D]

I think Pujols is done for the most part. I think he'll hover around 1-2 WAR for the rest of his career.

[Boxcar]

...based on what?

 

The Pujols contract is very likely to be the worst free agent contract ever signed.

 

Where did I make that claim? It wouldn't be hard for you to find it, since all of my posts on the subject were all made on this page. The only claim I made was that Pujols' statistics have steadily declined for the past six seasons, all across the board; an irrefutable fact. Aside from that, I simply asked what the belief in Pujols' bouncing back is based on. When all of his numbers tell one story, I'd like to know what makes someone think he can come back and be worth his contract, other than "he used 2 b gud".

 

You specifically bolded where JFaS said "Pujols will bounce back" and said "based on what?"

 

I actually think Cano's contract will be the worst, but I'd take Fielder over Pujols considering I think Pujols is a few years older than what his profile states. For next season, though, there is plenty of reason to think he'll bounce back to a decent season with the bat. I'm definitely not disputing that he's in a solid decline phase, and that at the end of the day he won't be worth the contract.

[jb22]

One of the funniest things I've ever read! At 22 with 150 million, he should have a different hot woman mowing the lawn in a bikini daily!!!!

 

 

ftfy

 

He'd be stupid to get a wife at this point in time.

 

re-ftfy'd

[G-Snarls]

[G-Snarls]

Still probably happens though

[Brenner]

1 year $1 mil MONSTER extension.

[G-Snarls]

1 year $1 mil MONSTER extension.

 

Sounds funny doesn't it. But I suspect the beag deal still happens before season starts.

[G-Snarls]

MLB Trade Rumors ‏@mlbtraderumors 3m

 

Angels Sign Trout To One-Year, $1MM Deal

[flafson]

EDIT: I take it back, 1 mil seems to be a new record for his service time. Edited February 26, 2014 by flafson