Anthopoulos: 5 year contract limit is "flexible"

[G-Snarls]

First I've heard this

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-five-year-club-policy-is-flexible/

[G-Snarls]

Though the Toronto Blue Jays general manager would prefer not to sign players to contracts of more than five years, he has the flexibility to do so.

 

“We’ve said ‘six, will you bend a little,’ I think we haven’t ruled it out,” Anthopoulos said Tuesday. “Our preference is certainly five. We’ve never had to deviate from that.”

 

That flexibility could provide Anthopoulos with an edge should he decide to bid aggressively for top free agents or pursue Masahiro Tanaka, the 25-year-old Japanese ace who’s expected to be made available to MLB teams.

[TwistedLogic]

He's always keeping everything hidden and up his sleeve and this he lets out. How good of an idea is it to let guys like Garza know that you're suddenly flexible about your 5-year limit. It looks a lot better to them when you're talking to them and bring it up at that point "well look, we usually don't do this, but we like you so much that we're willing to add a 6th year".

[Abomination]

He's always keeping everything hidden and up his sleeve and this he lets out. How good of an idea is it to let guys like Garza know that you're suddenly flexible about your 5-year limit. It looks a lot better to them when you're talking to them and bring it up at that point "well look, we usually don't do this, but we like you so much that we're willing to add a 6th year".

 

What makes you think he hasn't already?

[TwistedLogic]

What makes you think he hasn't already?

 

Nothing really, he could have. I just see a 6th year for him being the thing that seals a deal. Sort of like "fine we'll give in for a 6th year if it gets a deal done now". I don't expect him to be leaving an offer like that out on the table especially when it's an exception to everything him and Beeston have ever said in the past.

[Abomination]

Nothing really, he could have. I just see a 6th year for him being the thing that seals a deal. Sort of like "fine we'll give in for a 6th year if it gets a deal done now". I don't expect him to be leaving an offer like that out on the table especially when it's an exception to everything him and Beeston have ever said in the past.

 

Perhaps, but he's pretty careful with his wording, and he said "We've said 'six, will you bend a little' ". Unless there's more that wasn't included, it suggests he already has broached that subject with a FA.

 

Actually, further down in the article it suggests they may have last year, although it's not clear whether it was an internal discussion or one with the agent.

[G-Snarls]

Why would he say this now? There's no one worth more than 5 years left. Cano and Ellsbury are already signed. Only plausible one is Choo. He should have been flexible with Sanchez.

 

Choo and Tanaka is who I'm thinking

[Laika]

Ce n'est pas une limite

[Chappy]

Why would he say this now? There's no one worth more than 5 years left. Cano and Ellsbury are already signed. Only plausible one is Choo. He should have been flexible with Sanchez.

 

Could be referring to trading and signing an extension? Either than or he is considering signing someone to an ill advised contract.

[Dylan]

STOP WITH CHOO!!!!!!!!!

seriously

 

Reyes

Lawrie

Bautista

Edwin

Choo

Rasmus

Melky/Lind

Infante?

Navarro

 

One can dream..

[Chappy]

This is what I'm thinking Vik, along those lines anyhow.

 

In either case, he needs to get something done before the market completely dries up.

[o2cui2i]

Dream all you want a Boras deal will never come to fruition in Toronto.

 

no top FA will be joining the jays this off season unless AA can get more than one agreeing as long as the other one agrees to a deal. the jays are too many moves from being a playoff team and top FA will only go for money AA isn't willing to pay or a team that is heading to the playoffs.

 

last years moves left the team farther away from the playoffs and with half the farm they had before last off season.

[o2cui2i]

C'mon man.......I'm talking about Boras

 

he's an *******, but he's not the only one and I dont see much out there that is worth 5 years. the FA market is pretty bad this year. the few top players who are out there are asking ridiculous money + years that dont make sense. not that making sense is AA's strong side.

 

AA needs to make a couple of shrewd moves and the team has to have a lot of things fall their way for this next season to not be heart breaking. AA could empty the farm and still only have a 75 win team.

[Abomination]

FanGraphs adjusting playing time says 9th at 85-77.

 

I still think one of you should do a blog post listing the various talked about targets (FA and trade) and what each would do to our projections.

[G-Snarls]

STOP WITH CHOO!!!!!!!!!

 

 

seriously

 

Will not

[o2cui2i]

BORAS AND BEESTON DON'T DEAL

 

 

cap filler

 

never said any different. not sure why you are trying to make the point when I already agree with you? lol

[Abomination]

Like BTS did with Infante, Ellis, and Phillips?

 

I don't remember seeing that (maybe it was when I wasn't feeling well), but yes, especially focusing on the pitchers.

[ElNik2013]

Here's a quote from AA on the 5-year thing:

 

“We’ll offer more money with a larger average annual salary but we won’t go over five years,” said Anthopoulos. “We think five is long enough. A representative for a free agent came to us proposing a five-year deal. He signed elsewhere for a longer term.”

 

Anthopoulos pointed out how the Los Angeles Dodgers offered Rafael Furcal a three-year deal averaging $11 million which he took rather a five-year deal averaging $9 million from the Chicago Cubs.

 

And how Shane Victorino turned down a four-year salary averaging $11 million to sign a three-year with the Boston Red Sox for a package of $13 million per year.

 

“Some guys will sign a short deal to get back into the market place ... as long as it’s not their last contract,” said Anthopoulos. “On a short deal they can come out and perform and re-enter. Cliff Lee took less to sign with the Philadelphia Phillies (the New York Yankees and Texas Rangers made larger offers).

 

“Who figured Carlos Beltran would sign a three-year deal at age 36 or Tim Hudson would do a two-year deal at 39.”

 

 

Thread closed.

[Jays]

AA could empty the farm and still only have a 75 win team.

 

think he did that already:D

[Anemic0ffense]

This board is so bi-polar. The farm is not "sexy", but there's talent there. Also, we're not "A LOT" of moves away. I'm as cynical as anyone on this board, but seriously, if AA just reverted back to the AA he was when he first started as GM, and made let's say 2 really smart moves, we're in this thing again barring injuries.

[connorp]

Only guys I would give more than 5 years is Cano, Ellsbury, or Choo. Not even Tanaka, he isn't Yu.

 

I would do somethig like 6/110 for Choo. I never really followed the Jay/SB issues..but Apparently they don't deal with him I guess

[fireballW]

Living in Asia during the winter meetings is just horrible. I wish I could fall asleep now and wake up at 11 when the rumors start flowing again.

[Angrioter]

and choo will never hit lefties.

 

iftfy

[G-Snarls]

iftfy

 

Care to post his career splits? I would but on plane about to take off.

[G-Snarls]

I still feel.that without a solid FA signing that he won't be able to make the team significantly better. Most trades he can make will leave a hole elsewhere. Prob is half the quality free agents are now gone.

[Angrioter]

And Choo will never come here, Boras.

 

Care to post his career splits? I would but on plane about to take off.

 

wRC+ L Vs R

2010 - 91 - 173

2011 - 97 - 111

2012 - 78 - 160

2013 - 81 - 183

 

Below avg Vs stud

[KingKat]

Boras represents high priced free agents... Blue Jays don't like to sign high priced free agents.

 

That's true but you can't deny that there was a tryst between Boras and Beeston around Paxton. Maybe that's still a factor, maybe it isn't. We won't really know until the Jays sign one of his players but until then the speculation is hardly baseless.

[connorp]

Boras has already said many times he doesn't have a problem with the Blue Jays. This is dumb. It's purely coincidence at this point. Boras represents high priced free agents... Blue Jays don't like to sign high priced free agents.

 

I agree. These guys are running a billion dollar company, there's no room for pettiness. I'm sure the team knows if it wants a player and what they are willing to max out at. That's common sense anyway.. Who knows though

[KingKat]

I think Paxton is the one who had the issue with the Blue Jays. And Beeston wasn't even with the organization at the time. Boras was on the radio earlier this year he addressed all this. He has no problem making deals with the Blue Jays. This is all in peoples heads.

 

Check your history. Beeston was around before AA became GM. He was interim President looking for his replacement and handling some negotiations. He's literally the one who caused the Paxton situation by leaking Boras' involvment to the media.

 

As far as Boras is concerned, there's no reason for him to broadcast a tryst with the Jays if there is one. If nothing else, he can use hypothetical Jays interest as leverage. He certainly isn't smarting from the Paxton situation as much as Paxton himself but that doesn't mean he's keen to talk to the Jays or that the Jays are keen to talk to him.

 

Maybe the Jays and Boras are just ships in night who just don't have a convergence of interests right now. That's not an unfair speculation but the fact remains that the last time Beeston and Boras spoke it went pretty damn poorly, Neither side got what they wanted and the player ended up having to spend a season without MLB or NCAA eligibility. At that point it was the first time in years that the Jays had taken a Boras client and there haven't been any since.

 

This is all in peoples heads.

 

Pretty easy to say when you're account of Beeston and Boras's history isn't even acurate.

Edited December 11, 2013 by KingKat

[Angrioter]

In this crappy free agency nobody worth +4 years deal (Tanaka?)