JP Arencibia and Rangers "progressing toward deal" - reported 2M

[Angrioter]

Good agreement for both parts.

JP can help the Rangers in a limited role ......Never as a starter

[KingKat]

Though he has his warts, Arencibia was one of the game's top pitch-framing catchers in 2013 -- an undervalued element of catchers' skill sets.

 

That's a bit misleading. He wasn't a top pitch-frame by per game average. He was a slighltly positive pitch framer with a ton of playing time.

[G-Snarls]

Merge action complete

[Sammy225]

Perhaps, in either case, to hard to criticize a player like Ichiro when he was in his prime. Now he is old and pretty much on his way out.

 

Oh exactly I would like to see how many Inf. singles he was getting per season. Just not that same guy anymore.

[TheHurl]

Top 10 Backup Catcher?

 

Frisco Roughriders starter

[TDotttt2005]

So I guess they have their run producer to hit behind Prince now?

[Chappy]

So I guess they have their run producer to hit behind Prince now?

 

JP is just an RBI kind of guy.

[G-Snarls]

JP is just an RBI kind of guy.

 

Could have been spoken by:

 

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Edited December 6, 2013 by G-Snarls

[TwistedLogic]

Yea , Before that all the Sabermetric guys were screaming for JPA to get playing time and running Molina out of town . They hated Molina and JPA was their Darling . Then War started adding good Defensive metrics and Pitch framing came along and wow 100 % switch.

 

I think that is why they hate JPA so much . I think he could go either way . He can refocus and work hard and succeed or this NON tender could get into his head and it's all downhill

 

People drawing new conclusions based on newly acquired data that paints a totally new picture? Shocker!

 

JPA is an above average pitch-framer, so your point is moot.

[G-Snarls]

MLBTR:

 

Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports that Arencibia will earn $1.8MM in 2014 and has an additional $300K worth of incentives in his deal

[kcjaysfan]

People drawing new conclusions based on newly acquired data that paints a totally new picture? Shocker!

 

Oh, don't get me started on this. I have to refrain myself from pummeling people when they tell me that science has failed when scientists come out with new theories, or modify existing ones.

[G-Snarls]

Exactly the amount I figured AA was trying to reasonable sign him to to avoid arbitration.

[TwistedLogic]

Yeah and JPA leaves on the most douchebag f***ing note he could possibly leave on. Had he accepted this deal before the non-tender deadline, the Rangers have said that they would have traded for him. They were ready to make the trade with the Jays if Arencibia had accepted a new deal to avoid arbitration. He clearly didn't except, since the Jays lost a potential piece (no matter how insignificant it was) non-tendered him. That guy has hurt this organization in every possible way that is virtually possible.

[Brenner]

Good riddance, this guy was like a poison pill. His offensive was so attractive he convinced AA to go all in on him but once consumed destroyed the team from the inside out. He might be out of baseball soon unless he can pull a Napoli and convert to 1b/DH but he has to develop that bat. Right now he is a Dunn-lite hitter wannabe who can't get one base. Edited December 6, 2013 by Brenner

[Dick_Pole]

Yeah and JPA leaves on the most douchebag f***ing note he could possibly leave on. Had he accepted this deal before the non-tender deadline, the Rangers have said that they would have traded for him. They were ready to make the trade with the Jays if Arencibia had accepted a new deal to avoid arbitration. He clearly didn't except, since the Jays lost a potential piece (no matter how insignificant it was) non-tendered him. That guy has hurt this organization in every possible way that is virtually possible.

 

???

 

If the Jays traded him to Texas wouldn't they have to go to arb with him and pay the higher amount? I don't think any player would try to circumvent the collectively bargained framework and the union to get paid less just so his old team could get something of value.

[G-Snarls]

???

 

If the Jays traded him to Texas wouldn't they have to go to arb with him and pay the higher amount? I don't think any player would try to circumvent the collectively bargained framework and the union to get paid less just so his old team could get something of value.

 

He meant he should have signed the same deal with the Jays to avoid arbitration and then AA trades him to Texas. I expect AA would have agreed to 1.8M.

 

Regardless this works out better for Rangers anyway

[Dick_Pole]

He meant he should have signed the same deal with the Jays to avoid arbitration and then AA trades him to Texas. I expect AA would have agreed to 1.8M.

 

Regardless this works out better for Rangers anyway

 

But what would be the point of that, from his perspective?

 

He's due more in arbitration, but he should accept less to make his GM's decision a little easier?

 

If I was in his position I'd do the same. Either give me the money or let me walk. Then as a free agent I know I have to accept the less favourable deal but as long as I'm with the team there's a chance they'll accept the arb ruling. We might not like him as a player but fair is fair.

 

If anyone here was in a position where they were about to get laid off from their work and are due a severance package, would you quit just beforehand just so your bosses have an easier time and don't have to pay you out? I highly doubt that. Arencibia may be a douche but he's not a douche for this reason.

[TwistedLogic]

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If the Jays traded him to Texas wouldn't they have to go to arb with him and pay the higher amount? I don't think any player would try to circumvent the collectively bargained framework and the union to get paid less just so his old team could get something of value.

 

No they would not. It's very common to agree to pre-arb deals. Look on MLBTR and you'll see hundreds of posts on their website over the years titled "(team) avoid arbitration with (player)". The Jays would have traded Arencibia to the Rangers, and the Rangers would have given him a contract that would replace his arbitration for that given year (sort of like a one-year extension if you can call it that).

 

Up until last year I think, the Jays had a very long history of never even going into arbitration with their players because they were so efficient at working out deals with their arb-eligible players.

 

But what would be the point of that, from his perspective?

 

He's due more in arbitration, but he should accept less to make his GM's decision a little easier?

 

If I was in his position I'd do the same. Either give me the money or let me walk. Then as a free agent I know I have to accept the less favourable deal but as long as I'm with the team there's a chance they'll accept the arb ruling. We might not like him as a player but fair is fair.

 

If anyone here was in a position where they were about to get laid off from their work and are due a severance package, would you quit just beforehand just so your bosses have an easier time and don't have to pay you out? I highly doubt that. Arencibia may be a douche but he's not a douche for this reason.

 

It doesn't matter if he's due more in arbitration, because he signed with the exact team that he was already talking to prior to being non-tendered. In other words it's basically the exact same plan, procedure and result, with the only difference being that had he done this exact same deal prior to being non-tendered, the Jays would have received a player or cash for it. Yeah, he can be an egotistical douchebag and refuse that option, and let the Jays lose him for nothing (which is what happened) as a form of spite, or he can look at is as repaying (in a very small way) a team for supporting him through three years of absolutely f***ing horrendous, god-awful production, and trusting him as their starting catcher in one of their most "all-in" years in franchise history. The Jays irrationally and unjustifiably stood behind him, even to go as far as making him the opening day catcher in front of a kunckleball.

 

The guy did nothing but s*** all over the baseball field, spit on the franchise by making an ass of himself in the public eye, and act as the self-proclaimed voice of the locker room while attracting more negative press since the Hillenbrand days. If you're the worst employee that you can possibly be and do the worst job you can possibly do, costing your employer money, time and respect in the eyes of the public, and then you get fired, no you should not be a self-entitled f***ing prick and have the audacity to put down an ultimatum like "pay me or let me walk".

[AdamGreenwood]

Generally, when your GM announces that they need to upgrade your position to the press, and then non-tenders, you aren't looking to do the club any favors at that point.

One positive thing about JP is that he loved Toronto, and really made an effort to engage with the fans. I can pretty much guarantee he's going to be trash-talking Toronto management next year.

 

Besides which, we weren't going to get too much in trade value for him.

[G-Snarls]

Whoooooo Geeeeeeffffs A Faaaaaaaawwwwwwkk!!

 

Well put, sir

[G-Snarls]

His first tweet in months: