JP Arencibia and Rangers "progressing toward deal" - reported 2M

[fatcowxlive]

 

Merry Christmas Texas Fans!

[havok24]

lol. I'm just glad he is finally gone.

[Fearthedoc]

Is this going to be the first incentive based deal to include passed balls?

[fatcowxlive]

Is this going to be the first incentive based deal to include passed balls?

 

Nope, first incentive based deal to include twitter followers

[leaffie]

Well if JP had agreed to a deal with the Rangers before the non tender deadline, the Jays would have at least got some type of prospect.

[Chappy]

Well if JP had agreed to a deal with the Rangers before the non tender deadline, the Jays would have at least got some type of prospect.

 

It would have likely been a nothing prospect. Besides that, JP had no reason to agree to a new deal knowing he was going to be a FA.

[Frenchsoup]

Texas just screwed themselves, from world series contender to 3rd place in there division.

[flafson]

I wish him all the best and i hope he succeeds.

[Anemic0ffense]

20 bucks he takes a Jays starter deep and takes a walk in his first game against us...

[Convo]

JPA slugging .767 in Arlington over the past 3 years.

[Fearthedoc]

Nope, first incentive based deal to include twitter followers

 

It will have a clause where he earns an extra $250,000 if he finishes the season with more walks than passed balls.

[8D]

JPA in Texas could be dange... nah!!

[TwistedLogic]

Saw this coming from a mile away. I always felt like I couldn't imagine him any uniform other than a Rangers one. Even when he was a Blue Jay, he just always looked like a Ranger to me. I don't know why, some players I just can't picture in any other jersey. Like Ellsbury, no matter how hard I try, I can't imagine him in Pinstripes. Seems awkward as f***.

 

I actually think Arencibia can provide positive value in Arlington. I'm not going to say he's going to go nuts, but I could see him possibly getting his s*** together and being a 1-2 win player there, with potential for a bit more. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he came across the right coach and posted a 4 win season some day.

 

Happy as f*** that he's gone though.

[BlueJayWay]

Saw this coming from a mile away. I always felt like I couldn't imagine him any uniform other than a Rangers one. Even when he was a Blue Jay, he just always looked like a Ranger to me. I don't know why, some players I just can't picture in any other jersey. Like Ellsbury, no matter how hard I try, I can't imagine him in Pinstripes. Seems awkward as f***.

I know. Sometimes it comes to fruition though. I couldn't picture someone like Mark Buerhle in a Blue Jays uniform before last year.

[G-Snarls]

Texas is exactly where I figured he'd end up

 

Don't know what to hope for. I don't hate the person at all. Just glad he's not playing for us anymore.

[Key22]

It's actually kind of sad because I remember that first game he played here and it was hard not to get excited - 2 bombs (one to right field) four hits. Coming off a big 30+ homer season in the minors - it was an exciting game and there was a bit of hope that maybe he could be something in the Mike Piazza realm - a big power hitter with mediocre defense but young enough to learn defense to maybe become "average" which would have been ok.

 

148K to 15BB and .200 and poor defense is just so poor. If he could have been a 110k 50BB guy with a .230 average and 20 homers and just be "average" behind the plate he'd be fine.

[flafson]

I think he was focusing on his defense too much which got it up to about average at the price of being a disaster at the plate.

I would bet 10 bucks he's going to be something special in Texas.

[kgm1]

Saw this coming from a mile away. I always felt like I couldn't imagine him any uniform other than a Rangers one. Even when he was a Blue Jay, he just always looked like a Ranger to me. I don't know why, some players I just can't picture in any other jersey. Like Ellsbury, no matter how hard I try, I can't imagine him in Pinstripes. Seems awkward as f***.

 

I actually think Arencibia can provide positive value in Arlington. I'm not going to say he's going to go nuts, but I could see him possibly getting his s*** together and being a 1-2 win player there, with potential for a bit more. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he came across the right coach and posted a 4 win season some day.

 

Happy as f*** that he's gone though.

 

For 1/5 of the salary , about 500 K I would have brought him to ST hoping he had a good spring and we could deal him and if not then DFA him. . Navarro scares the s*** out of me . What Dioner do we get , the Fat lazy one who played for the Rays and LA or the refocused one that had about 225 AB,s in Chicago .

 

JPA could easily put up a higher war than Dioner . Ruiz was the guy ,If not then Hannigan . Hope we get the refocused Navvaro

[kgm1]

I think he was focusing on his defense too much which got it up to about average at the price of being a disaster at the plate.

I would bet 10 bucks he's going to be something special in Texas.

 

Wow are you ever going to get beat up on that post . I only wanted him in AAA cause he had options

[TheHurl]

JPA has 3 options still. On a salary less than his arbitration salary he's well worth taking for a team. His interviews and twitter comments alone show that he's never been taught that K's might be a bad thing. Education could seriously do him some good. Maybe the humility of being dropped will show him that he should actually listen to it.

[flafson]

Wow are you ever going to get beat up on that post . I only wanted him in AAA cause he had options

 

People beat up on my posts all the time, you get used to it.

You should do what some of the other posters do and quote me in your signature, i find it funny.

[kgm1]

It's actually kind of sad because I remember that first game he played here and it was hard not to get excited - 2 bombs (one to right field) four hits. Coming off a big 30+ homer season in the minors - it was an exciting game and there was a bit of hope that maybe he could be something in the Mike Piazza realm - a big power hitter with mediocre defense but young enough to learn defense to maybe become "average" which would have been ok.

 

148K to 15BB and .200 and poor defense is just so poor. If he could have been a 110k 50BB guy with a .230 average and 20 homers and just be "average" behind the plate he'd be fine.

 

 

Yea , Before that all the Sabermetric guys were screaming for JPA to get playing time and running Molina out of town . They hated Molina and JPA was their Darling . Then War started adding good Defensive metrics and Pitch framing came along and wow 100 % switch.

 

I think that is why they hate JPA so much . I think he could go either way . He can refocus and work hard and succeed or this NON tender could get into his head and it's all downhill

[G-Snarls]

JPA has 3 options still. On a salary less than his arbitration salary he's well worth taking for a team. His interviews and twitter comments alone show that he's never been taught that K's might be a bad thing. Education could seriously do him some good. Maybe the humility of being dropped will show him that he should actually listen to it.

 

Will Ron Washington be a postive or useless influence on him?

[kcjaysfan]

Will Ron Washington be a postive or useless influence on him?

 

I suppose that depends on whether Arencibia wants to start doing cocaine.

[Smokey]

His interviews and twitter comments alone show that he's never been taught that K's might be a bad thing. Education could seriously do him some good.

 

I agree. It almost seemed like he couldn't differentiate between K's and BB's. Apparently no one told him that laying off some of those outside pitches will earn him more pitches to hit in the future and increase his productivity as a whole. Same thing could be said about him throwing from his knees, although that changed a bit when they finally got him a catching coach (at the end of the season ).

 

I don't mind not ever watching JPA in a Jays uni again but having this organization continuously mismanage its talents is getting tiresome to say the least.

Edited December 6, 2013 by Smokey

[KingKat]

Yea , Before that all the Sabermetric guys were screaming for JPA to get playing time and running Molina out of town . They hated Molina and JPA was their Darling

 

Nice job rewriting history. People hated John Buck getting playing time over Arrencibia. Molina was just a backup and wasn't even getting much playing time anyways. And you know something... even knowing everything we know now about JPA, there isn't a single reason to regret feeling like he should have had more playing time at the time. So he didn't turn out to the catcher of the future, how exactly did not playing him help determine that? Oh right, it didn't. Of course you play him hoping he does well but if he doesn't there's still value in giving a young guy some playing time. In a lost season it's a no-brainer. I don't think Goins is the 2B of the future but that doesn't mean I don't think it was helpful both to him and to the team to get playing time last season.

[The Cats Ass]

I think he was focusing on his defense too much which got it up to about average at the price of being a disaster at the plate.

I would bet 10 bucks he's going to be something special in Texas.

 

Just because something's special doesn't mean it's good.

[kgm1]

Nice job rewriting history. People hated John Buck getting playing time over Arrencibia. Molina was just a backup and wasn't even getting much playing time anyways. And you know something... even knowing everything we know now about JPA, there isn't a single reason to regret feeling like he should have had more playing time at the time. So he didn't turn out to the catcher of the future, how exactly did not playing him help determine that? Oh right, it didn't. Of course you play him hoping he does well but if he doesn't there's still value in giving a young guy some playing time. In a lost season it's a no-brainer. I don't think Goins is the 2B of the future but that doesn't mean I don't think it was helpful both to him and to the team to get playing time last season.

 

What I'm trying to point out is every time someone invents a new stat a lot of guys jump on that bandwagon and love guys they hated and hate guys they loved . WAR is one stat that while not perfected at least trys to cover all the metrics. I love war and don't care what all goes into it .

[KingKat]

What I'm trying to point out is every time someone invents a new stat a lot of guys jump on that bandwagon and love guys they hated and hate guys they loved .

 

Well I can't speak for others but I'm totally on the pitch framing bandwagon. I don't really see that as merely a new stat because it's a whole new dataset. It's information that we simply didn't have before and it's information that has yet to be accounted for in WAR or elsewhere. Until it gets rolled into WAR, there's no way I'm going to feel comfortable evaluating a catcher's worth that way.

 

My opinion on Molina has absolutely gone 180 but frankly I don't see why it wouldn't in light of new information. I used to hate the way Molina refused to drop to his knees to block pitches. I used to agree with all the announcers who harped about it. Now, I realize that Molina's reluctance to drop to his knees behing the plate may have had something to do with his commitment to being as quiet as possible behind the plate and I'm fine with it (the skills aren't necessarilly mutually exclusive, some catchers are good at both, some at neither but I won't argue with what Molina does anymore because his overall approach nets positive results).

[kgm1]

Well I can't speak for others but I'm totally on the pitch framing bandwagon. I don't really see that as merely a new stat because it's a whole new dataset. It's information that we simply didn't have before and it's information that has yet to be accounted for in WAR or elsewhere. Until it gets rolled into WAR, there's no way I'm going to feel comfortable evaluating a catcher's worth that way.

 

My opinion on Molina has absolutely gone 180 but frankly I don't see why it wouldn't in light of new information. I used to hate the way Molina refused to drop to his knees to block pitches. I used to agree with all the announcers who harped about it. Now, I realize that Molina's reluctance to drop to his knees behing the plate may have had something to do with his commitment to being as quiet as possible behind the plate and I'm fine with it (the skills aren't necessarilly mutually exclusive, some catchers are good at both, some at neither but I won't argue with what Molina does anymore because his overall approach nets positive results).

 

I liked Molina because I have always been a defense first catcher . But I look at a catcher as more than pitch framing. With these young pitchers coming up so soon you need a guy to call good games . Defense and speed up the middle power on the corners and Pitching Pitching and more Pitching . That is what us OLD guys used to say . Compare that to winning teams .