Jays targetting Jeff Samardzija and/or Ryan Hanigan

[8D]

IMO Stroman doesn't even land you Samardzija. It takes Stroman and 1-2 other guys from our top-15. I actually really like Samardzija, but he just doesn't make any sense unless the FO is panicking in an effort to win in 2014 at all costs.

 

I think jobs are on a really short rope in that FO. They seem real content on getting into the postseason within the next two years. dat tree year window AA talks about. Year one was already a disaster.

[Ehjays]

I would question his motivations for extending right now unless he's guaranteed like 3 FA years at like 15 per.

 

I really wish they hadn't sold the farm last year. If AA had kept the prospects, Samardzija would make a lot of sense. We could move something like Sanchez + Nicolino + Hechavarria for Samardzija and still have a deep system. He'd be an interesting anchor for a staff that's about to break in Stroman, Syndergaard, and Hutchison. As things stand right now, I'd guess we'd be looking at something like Stroman/Sanchez + Nolin + 3rd piece, and the system really can't absorb that hit, especially if there's no extension.

 

Who would have been our SS?

[admin]

I wouldn't mind Samardzija. I just cringe thinking what AA is going to give up.

[G-Snarls]

Reds Likely To Move Ryan Hanigan

 

By Steve Adams [November 15 at 7:42am CST]

 

NOV. 15: Hanigan "is going to be traded," tweets Olney. Multiple teams are interested in Hanigan, and the Reds feel they can get a good prospect in exchange, Olney adds.

 

NOV. 8: The Reds have agreed to a two-year deal with free agent Brayan Pena, giving them three catchers on their 40-man roster: Pena, Devin Mesoraco and Ryan Hanigan. It appears that Hanigan is the odd man out, as Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports hears from a source that Hanigan is likely to be moved (Twitter link). ESPN's Buster Olney tweets that the Rays and Yankees, two teams with question marks at catcher this offseason, have liked Hanigan in the past.

 

Hanigan, 33, struggled through the worst season of his career in 2013, batting just .198/.306/.261 and tying a career-low with two home runs. MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects Hanigan to earn $2.3MM through arbitration this offseason, which should be a cheap enough sum for interested parties to take on. The main culprit in Hanigan's poor season appears to have been a .216 batting average on balls in play. That number figures to trend back toward his career mark of .283, especially when considering that Hanigan's batted-ball profile didn't radically change in 2013. In fact, Hanigan's 21.5 percent line-drive rate was actually a slight increase over his 2012 mark (21.2 percent) and is right in line with his career mark (21.9 percent).

 

Hanigan has long been known as a patient hitter that is tough to strike out, as evidenced by a career 12 percent walk rate and 10.1 percent strikeout rate. Detractors may point to the lofty walk rate as a product of him batting eighth in an NL lineup so often (one spot in front of the pitcher), but Hanigan's career walk rate in more than 300 plate appearances out of the seventh slot in the order is higher than his walk rate in 1,110+ PAs in the eighth slot.

 

Hanigan also carries a reputation as a solid defensive backstop, having led the league in caught-stealing percentage in 2013 (45 percent) and 2012 (48 percent). His 40 percent career mark is about 12 percentage points higher than the league average, which tends to be around 28 percent. He's also known as one of the best in the business in terms of pitch-framing -- an art he discussed at length with Ben Lindbergh for a Grantland piece back in May.

[z3r0s]

Reds Likely To Move Ryan Hanigan

Hanigan has long been known as a patient hitter that is tough to strike out, as evidenced by a career 12 percent walk rate and 10.1 percent strikeout rate.

 

...

 

Hanigan also carries a reputation as a solid defensive backstop, having led the league in caught-stealing percentage in 2013 (45 percent) and 2012 (48 percent).

 

He's like the anti-JPA

[G-Snarls]

He's like the anti-JPA

 

But .198/.306/.261

 

Ick. That's Thole caliber BA and SLG. Only his walk ability seems acceptable.

 

Is his defense so good it makes up for it? Maybe, don't know enough about him.

 

Edit: Scratch that. Looking at his whole career in BR it's clear that 2013 was a MAJOR outlier offensively. Great bounce back candidate.

 

Career .262 .359.343 .703

 

Very nice for a catcher who provides plus defense

[Frenchsoup]

But .198/.306/.261

 

Ick. That's Thole caliber BA and SLG. Only his walk ability seems acceptable.

 

Is his defense so good it makes up for it? Maybe, don't know enough about him.

 

Edit: Scratch that. Looking at his whole career in BR it's clear that 2013 was a MAJOR outlier offensively. Great bounce back candidate.

 

Career .262 .359.343 .703

 

Very nice for a catcher who provides plus defense

 

The only thing i worry about is he pretty injury prone.

[G-Snarls]

The only thing i worry about is he pretty injury prone.

 

Last thing we need, if true, is more guys like that

[eastcoastjaysfan]

A Hanigan/Chooch tagteam would be pretty intriguing.

[z3r0s]

Carlos.... it just makes sense.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

The Reds want a "good" prospect for a guy coming off a year like that?

 

Good luck with that.

[KingKat]

But .198/.306/.261

 

Ick. That's Thole caliber BA and SLG. Only his walk ability seems acceptable.

 

Is his defense so good it makes up for it? Maybe, don't know enough about him.

 

Edit: Scratch that. Looking at his whole career in BR it's clear that 2013 was a MAJOR outlier offensively. Great bounce back candidate.

 

Yeah a lot of people are poo-pooing a potential acquisition of Hanigan but if the price is right this could be a great acquisition. If his framing and game-calling are as good as stated above than this could be a Jose Molina type situation where the impact on the pitching staff more than offsets the offensive limitations. It also seems like he's more than qualified to catch Dickey which would greatly reduce the team's dependance on Thole. Finally, another big positive about Hannigan is that the Reds are a motivated seller. AA doesn't need to overwhelm them because the Reds are probably just as eager to get a deal done soon as he is. This looks like something that could get done at a reasonable cost with just a minimal amount of haggling. There's merit in that.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Throw someone like McGuire at them. Former first rounder. A possible reclamation project.

[G-Snarls]

Throw someone like McGuire at them. Former first rounder. A possible reclamation project.

 

Yep

 

If you can nab this guy for a reasonable cost and sooner rather than later, do it

[z3r0s]

If Ruiz ends us getting 20M/2 with an options, you just have to weigh the 'value' of the prospect they want back. He's projected as a 3 WAR player next year, probably something similar in 2015.

 

Hanigan is projected for 2.3 WAR next year and is a little younger. He is controllable for the next 2 years at 2.3M (projected) and something more than that for his final (4-5M depending on his season?). Add the value of whatever prospect you trade. The prospect is the key.

[ace3113]

I wonder if AA would try to expand a potential deal to include Phillips or Bailey like he did with the Marlins to get Reyes. Though in retrospect, he probably should have just traded for Reyes and expended the other assets elsewhere.

[jaysblue]

But .198/.306/.261

 

Ick. That's Thole caliber BA and SLG. Only his walk ability seems acceptable.

 

Is his defense so good it makes up for it? Maybe, don't know enough about him.

 

Edit: Scratch that. Looking at his whole career in BR it's clear that 2013 was a MAJOR outlier offensively. Great bounce back candidate.

 

Career .262 .359.343 .703

 

Very nice for a catcher who provides plus defense

 

Hanigan isn't going to hit .198 again, lets be realistic. He's a solid contact hitter who doesn't strike out a lot and could get on-base. In 2012, he was worth 2.7 WAR in 112 games, and in 2010 worth 2.1 WAR in just 70 games. From 2010-2012, he has averaged more than 2.0 WAR per season. He'd be a huge upgrade over what the Jays have right now in JPA and Thole.

 

The Jays could live with Hanigan's bat in the lineup hitting 8th or 9th. He'd be a great fit on this team and a huge upgrade behind the plate.

[jaysblue]

Hanigan has Tampa Bay written all over him. This is a player I see the Rays going hard after.

[Sammy225]

Hanigan has Tampa Bay written all over him. This is a player I see the Rays going hard after.

 

I saw somewhere that the reds expect a good prospect from him. They don't need outfielders so Gose is out of the picture, I am not willing to give up Sanchez or Stroman for him what else do we have that they may want. Unless we expand the deal even then I really don't know where to start.

 

I am a big fan of acquiring Hanigan if it does not involve Stroman or Sanchez.

[G-Snarls]

I saw somewhere that the reds expect a good prospect from him. They don't need outfielders so Gose is out of the picture, I am not willing to give up Sanchez or Stroman for him what else do we have that they may want. Unless we expand the deal even then I really don't know where to start.

 

I am a big fan of acquiring Hanigan if it does not involve Stroman or Sanchez.

 

Yeah, I'd trade probably any other prospect for him

[z3r0s]

Hanigan isn't going to hit .198 again, lets be realistic. He's a solid contact hitter who doesn't strike out a lot and could get on-base.

 

What, his .216 BABIP isn't his norm going forward?

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Hanigan has Tampa Bay written all over him. This is a player I see the Rays going hard after.

 

Wouldn't surprise me either.

[Frenchsoup]

I saw somewhere that the reds expect a good prospect from him. They don't need outfielders so Gose is out of the picture, I am not willing to give up Sanchez or Stroman for him what else do we have that they may want. Unless we expand the deal even then I really don't know where to start.

 

I am a big fan of acquiring Hanigan if it does not involve Stroman or Sanchez.

 

 

Nolin

[Frenchsoup]

Reds are going to need some bullpen guys 2 with chapman going to the rotation most likely. I could live with giving up cecil for hanigan.

[KingKat]

I wonder if AA would try to expand a potential deal to include Phillips or Bailey like he did with the Marlins to get Reyes. Though in retrospect, he probably should have just traded for Reyes and expended the other assets elsewhere.

 

That trade started as a Josh Johnson trade actually. According to Davidi/Lott it was Marisnick/Hechavarria for Johnson which I think we all could have lived with.

[ace3113]

That trade started as a Josh Johnson trade actually. According to Davidi/Lott it was Marisnick/Hechavarria for Johnson which I think we all could have lived with.

 

Yeah that's what I meant. He wanted Johnson, but based on the pieces the Marlins wanted back he decided to expand the deal to get Reyes. I'm curious what we would have had to give up if we only wanted Reyes. Maybe Hech + Alvarez + Marisnick. We keep Nicolino and Desclafani and trade Escobar somewhere else. There were a few teams looking for a shortstop if I recall.

[KingKat]

Yeah that's what I meant. He wanted Johnson, but based on the pieces the Marlins wanted back he decided to expand the deal to get Reyes. I'm curious what we would have had to give up if we only wanted Reyes. Maybe Hech + Alvarez + Marisnick. We keep Nicolino and Desclafani and trade Escobar somewhere else. There were a few teams looking for a shortstop if I recall.

 

Escobar was kind of a toxix asset at that point. The Marlins got Derek Dietrich from TB. He would have been a good fit for the Jays if they were willing to trade within the division.

[jaysblue]

I saw somewhere that the reds expect a good prospect from him. They don't need outfielders so Gose is out of the picture, I am not willing to give up Sanchez or Stroman for him what else do we have that they may want. Unless we expand the deal even then I really don't know where to start.

 

I am a big fan of acquiring Hanigan if it does not involve Stroman or Sanchez.

 

It's not going to cost something crazy like Sanchez or Stroman. The Reds have to move him since signing Pena so it's not like they have a huge upper hand in negotiations.

[TRM]

Story?

 

Just another aspect of the internet that I routinely dominate BTS in...

[TRM]

I was asking who you were in the Survivor Pool, lol. I know who you are?!

 

HAHA f*** my bad Spanky, I owe you a beer for that one. I'm an idiot knobjockey bike or whatever!