Blue Jays are going after Gordon Beckham (White Sox interested Sanchez-Stroman )

[The_DH]

I would take GB if the price was nothing.

[SAAviour]

What if the trade is beckham for JP? Straight up.

I'm in.

[Laika]

What if the trade is beckham for JP? Straight up.

I'm in.

 

Then Chicago can stitch JP to his clone, Tyler Flowers, and if Stuck On You has taught me anything, they could end up with a competent catcher!

[kgm1]

Guys, we don't have the assets for Chris Sale. If they're moving him, they likley won't want 30+ guys like Bautista and Edwin. I don't even think our top-4 prospects (Sanchez, Stroman, Davis, Osuna?) gets us Sale.

 

I keep reading this Sale stuff and wander what they think it take . we just don't have enough for them to deal Sale . They will want a bundle and rightly so

[bzapple]

I keep reading this Sale stuff and wander what they think it take . we just don't have enough for them to deal Sale . They will want a bundle and rightly so

 

I'm wondering how the hell a team would even get fair value for an asset like Sale. Of course all pitchers come with sizable risk but right now this is an ace with six years of affordable control. It would take a perfect storm for him to be traded.

[The_DH]

And to think we could have drafted Sale. Word was that he didn't have as much upside as the dud we selected.

[kgm1]

These rumors fly around all offseason and usually if it is in the news it won't happen . AA runs a very tight ship . And Gordon Beckham ? Might as well just go with Goins and use all your chips for pitching .

 

The first signing I want to read about is us getting a catcher .

[Anemic0ffense]

If this is true, my god... It's only October, and he's already going for Plan D?

[jaysblue]

Should have overpaid for Latos when we had a chance.

 

Many posters on here if I recall didn't want to do that at the time.

[jaysblue]

Then Chicago can stitch JP to his clone, Tyler Flowers, and if Stuck On You has taught me anything, they could end up with a competent catcher!

 

Nice Farrelly brother metaphor, though I'm sure Dumb and Dumber is better suited for a combination of Flowers and JPA.

[jays_fever]

And to think we could have drafted Sale. Word was that he didn't have as much upside as the dud we selected.

 

And to think we could have drafted Mike Trout!

[GeorgiaPeach]

Many posters on here if I recall didn't want to do that at the time.

 

I was one, and still stick by it.

 

And to those hindsighting missing out on Latos. Just because Alex overpaid for Dickey, doesn't justify changing your opinion on why we didn't overpay for a much younger, far better pitcher.

[GeorgiaPeach]

And to think we could have drafted Mike Trout!

 

And to think if Canada wasn't all over the cock of the NHL, we could've had a MLB team back in the 30's or 40's and signed Mickey Mantle & Willie Mays.

[The_DH]

And to think we could have drafted Mike Trout!

 

On that draft day there was commentary about us going for Sale. There was never any tie to Trout. So I think it's fitting.

[Abomination]

Many posters on here if I recall didn't want to do that at the time.

 

I don't remember for sure, but I think most people were fairly happy with the thought of Latos, but less so on Gio.

[Sorrow]

Why would anyone want to overpay for an asset?

 

Agreed on that front my Ottawa brother.

 

I don't know if I can do another winter of Dickey/Marlins/Astros trades and still have any interest in this organization when the other teams that I really enjoy following have finally started doing stuff.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

Fire AA immediately! He has lost his mind!

[o2cui2i]

if AA is even considering this, even at a whim, he should be shot and then fired.

 

I still dont get why Stroman didn't get a sept call up. dude is legit and AA basically ignored him. nothing says we dont care how good you are like a huge over look.

 

Jays need Sanchez-Stroman going forward. if they want to trade for beckham they can use any one of the plethora of incompetent starters they have fighting for 5th spot in the rotation and swing man. jays have 8 or 9 guys in this category and can easily trade away 3 or 4 of them.

[TheHurl]

what does AA see in GB..

 

A note on the bottom of his player card. "Would acquire"

[GD]

I still dont get why Stroman didn't get a sept call up. dude is legit and AA basically ignored him.

 

We potentially saved an option and saved a 40 man roster spot, I didn't mind it.

[Angrioter]

The Red Sox attacked the free agent with short contracts and Won the WS. The Jays destroyed his farm system and finishing in the last place.

 

The next move will be Beckham + Danks + Phegley/Flowers for Stroman + Pillar + Nolin ++

 

Our priority isn't a catcher, starters or second base, our priority is to put a thinking head in front of the damn and dysfunctional front office.

[Howard Roark]

Should have overpaid for Latos when we had a chance.

 

Should have posted a cant-top bid of $75M for the right to host a tea party for Yu Darvish when we had the chance.

[Angrioter]

Vete a la mierda KLaw. Jim Callis is the man

http://wapc.mlb.com/tor/play/?content_id=31169989&topic_id=52579316&c_id=tor

[Howard Roark]

That was still much more of a risk. I wanted Yu I really did but I could understand why they didn't want to throw all money at him. The prospects that it took us to get Dickey + Buehrle + Reyes could have landed us Latos and Gio Gonzalez a year prior and possibly more. You never buy high for veterans. You buy high for great young pitching with track record but are still arbitration eligible. This is why Chris Sale should come into play but I'm doubtful we have the pieces to even make that happen at this point.

 

No risk involved asset-wise, just a teeny tiny slice of ownership's annual profit. All it would have cost is money, no prospects/players going the other way. Of course he might have busted, but in hindsight, missing out on him hurts.

 

No way we could have landed BOTH Gio and Latos for Syndergaard, D'Arnaud, Alvarez, Hechavarria, Nicolino et al........

[Olerud363]

A note on the bottom of his player card. "Would acquire"

 

Beckham is 27 next year... I wouldn't hate this move. Obviously it depends on what they give up.

 

His strikeout rate is ok. Not sure about the other data, line drive rate and such. Is there any reason to believe he's got more potential then he's shown so far??

 

If I squint I see Kelly Gruber or Aaron Hill. Maybe he just hasn't had a good year yet?? We all know these guys go up and down like crazy.

 

I guess I just like the fact he'll be 27, 28, 29. If you are going to bet on a player like this, now is the time to do it, rather then betting on some guy's 32, 33, 34 seasons.

 

And before the peanut gallery starts s***ing on me "Kelly Gruber bro??" I didn't say he'll be Gruber 1990, or Hill 2009. I just said that if your going to bet on some guy to break out... age 27 is a good time to do it.

[Olerud363]

And just to add the obvious... Guys like this can be found cheaply... so yeah... if the price is a top prospect then it's not worth it.

 

Gruber I think was a rule 5 -- for whatever reason that has fallen out of favour. Better things to do with a 40 man roster spot/25 man spot then buy a lottery ticket?? I guess 8 man bullpens ended the rule 5.

[Kelly Gruber]

If we are trading for Sale it is a guarantee he is injured and the Sox know he will never pitch again. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice sham on me, fool me thrice.....???

[Stangstag]

If we are trading for Sale it is a guarantee he is injured and the Sox know he will never pitch again. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice sham on me, fool me thrice.....???

 

Fool me thrice, I should no longer be a general manager

[Olerud363]

If we are trading for Sale it is a guarantee he is injured and the Sox know he will never pitch again. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice sham on me, fool me thrice.....???

 

Wasn't that why we didn't draft him in the first place???

 

Bill James wrote this story about a kid he knew who drove like a maniac and drank like a fish, and everyone thought for sure he'd die in a car wreck before 25. Didn't happen. He made it to almost 35 before dying in a car wreck.

 

The point being just because something you thought would happen by now, hasn't happened by now, it doesn't mean it won't still happen.

 

If the Jays had injury concerns about Sale, and they are still confident in their scouting/analysis process... then maybe Sale isn't a good bet... and if Chicago is willing to trade him maybe they know something.

[leaffie]

From ESPN insider this morning:

 

 

Second base was a bit of an offensive black hole for the Toronto Blue Jays this past season. A six-headed combination of Mark DeRosa, Emilio Bonifacio, Munenori Kawasaki, Ryan Goins, Maicer Izturis and Brett Lawrie put together an anemic 2013 stat line -- a .216 batting average, a .297 slugging percentage, 47 RBIs and only eight stolen bases. Clearly, it's a position the team is hoping to upgrade.

 

One player whose name has already entered the conversation is Chicago White Sox second baseman Gordon Beckham. According to Scott Merkin of MLB.com, the Blue Jays explored a possible trade for Beckham last off-season and are still interested in making a deal.

 

The arbitration eligible Beckham won't be a free agent until 2016, which means that in order to acquire him, Toronto might have to give up a couple of prospects such as pitchers Aaron Sanchez, Marcus Stroman, John Stilson and Roberto Osuna, and/or catcher AJ Jimenez, in order to seal the deal. However, the White Sox would probably have to feel confident that Marcus Semien, who hit .261 in 69 September at-bats with the team, would be ready to step in at the position going forward in order to pull the trigger.