Can Ryan Goins stick?

gruber92 · September 11, 2013

Jesus......you got a mean on for Goins, didn't you tell me Pillar reminded you of Hunter Pence? I mean seriously bringing in comps of Goins to Alomar??? He'd be a decent 25th on the roster.

I'm comparing their defensive play ONLY. Obviously Goins will never have the bat Alomar had. The Pillar / Pence comparison was not statistically driven, more of a physical comparison. Pillar has been in the bigs for only a month.

Nox · September 11, 2013

The Pillar / Pence comparison was not statistically driven, more of a physical comparison.

Hunter Pence is 6'4" 220. Pillar is 6' 200.

You might as well have compared their bats.

gruber92 · September 11, 2013

Hunter Pence is 6'4" 220. Pillar is 6' 200.

You might as well have compared their bats.

Wow, no fooling a sharp shooter like yourself this morning eh Norman?

How about comparing their running, throwing and the way they swing the bat? Did that comparison aspect ever dawn on you? Too quick to check their physical sizes and make a quick, knee jerking statement. Why the f*** would I compare physicalities between the two, just because they're the same height and weight? Get a grip before you talk s***.

DuckDuckGose · September 11, 2013

Right. He said physical, and they are not alike physically.

They have similar-looking faces and are both somewhat fast. That's the comparison.

I can see the comp in the way they go after balls and their demeanor at the plate. Gritty fast, somewhat out of control, awhite guys.

Nox · September 11, 2013

How about comparing their running, throwing and the way they swing the bat? Did that comparison aspect ever dawn on you?

That's equally laughable though. Hunter Pence, despite being a pretty good MLB starter, looks like a baby antelope out there. Some of the most physical awkward movements you'll ever see on a baseball field. Ask any scout what they think about Hunter Pence and they'll always sort of half laugh when they give you his evaluation because he looks like a goof despite being athletic/productive.

Goins on the other hand, looks fairly smooth/normal but sucks at baseball (at the MLB level). In other words, kind of the exact opposite.

Nox · September 11, 2013

You mean Pillar.

Yup. It's unfortunately too easy to confuse these replacement level scrubs.

gruber92 · September 11, 2013

Yup. It's unfortunately too easy to confuse these replacement level scrubs.

Yeah because one is a left handed hitting slick fielding middle infielder weighing 170 lbs versus a right handed hitting corner outfielder who weighs 200 lbs. I guess their saber numbers look the same so to you they are identical. You're such a f***ing idiot,its unreal.

G-Snarls · September 11, 2013

Enough on the "physical comparison" thing and the name calling guys. Be done with it.

gruber92 · September 11, 2013

It reflects poorly on you when you call smart people idiots.

Really? So confusing Goins and Pillar physically is something a smart person should not make,especially a baseball watcher. What bugs my ass is every time someone makes an opinion on something here,and if they are not part of the hive,they get ripped for no reason. Are you trying to tell me that Pillar and Pence have no physical similarities whatsoever? I didn't say they were twins ffs. When i was in Buffalo earlier this year,Pillar's physical demeanor reminded me of Pence,especially their bow legged leg structure and the way they run. Their quick swings are a little similar also.That's it.

Can you imagine if i said that it's hard to differentiate Goins and Pillar physically? Lol..........

gruber92 · September 11, 2013

Enough on the "physical comparison" thing and the name calling guys. Be done with it.

Wow,so there are adults on this board.

Laika · September 11, 2013

What bugs my ass is every time someone makes an opinion on something here,and if they are not part of the hive,they get ripped for no reason.

Dumb opinions get ripped on.

That's it. Period.

If a member of the hive says something stupid, then we poop all over them. Ask BTS.

If a weirdo / nobody / new guy says something smart, then we send them a formal invitation to our next hive party.

Nox · September 11, 2013

Enough on the "physical comparison" thing and the name calling guys. Be done with it.

Lol

GD · September 11, 2013

Wow,so there are adults on this board.

Says Mr. "Youre such a f***ing idiot it's unreal"

He was calling you out too lmao

DuckDuckGose · September 11, 2013

I read an interesting article today on how bad Andrelton Simmons would have to hit in order to be replacement level, which can be found here; http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/a-replacement-level-andrelton-simmons/.

The author determined that this season Simmons has saved 65.2 runs with his defense (using fWAR). To be replacement level the defensive run value plus the offensive run value must equal zero (by definition a replacement level player is worth 0 runs/PA, or 0 WAR).

Those numbers add up to +65.2 runs. So if we want a replacement-level Simmons, we want to set his batting value at -65.2 runs, over 773 plate appearances. After division, that gives us -0.084 runs per PA.

These were this season's closest offensive comparables;

What if we look just at this season, so as to enhance your perspective? Some players who have posted similar batting run values per plate appearance:

Danny Espinosa, -0.087
Laynce Nix, -0.083
Josh Thole, -0.082
Cesar Izturis, -0.081
Jimmy Paredes, -0.081

Now to bring this back to Goins. The argument was that Goins is good enough defensively to be an above replacement level player in the MLB. Well Simmons is about as good a defender as possible in the MLB. To be replacement level this season he would have to hit like Thole. I thought it would be interesting to compare Goins to Thole. Please refer to both of their AA and high A stats.

Goins;

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Thole;

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Thole was a much better hitter at the same level and a younger age.

Now consider for a second that Goins isn't the defender Simmons is and he hasn't hit as well as Thole in his career. How does that make you feel? Confident?

GD · September 11, 2013

That was a really awesome post, DDG.

For those who are presenting the "there's no one better!" argument, and for those interested period, I assembled a nice list of 2B that should be available this offseason, or SSs that could probably play 2B for us.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=c,4,6,23,37,38,11,-1,34,35,40,41,-1,50,65,61,-1,54,111,55,56,51,58&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=1609,1738,3269,9219,3442,9810,1429,4229,1849,2498,2430,166,4316,1066,5133,4251&sort=21,d

Anyone know how to embed a custom report/table/leaderboard?

16 options for somewhat cheap that are better than Goins.

gruber92 · September 11, 2013

Dumb opinions get ripped on.

That's it. Period.

If a member of the hive says something stupid, then we poop all over them. Ask BTS.

If a weirdo / nobody / new guy says something smart, then we send them a formal invitation to our next hive party.

Who the f*** are you to determine whether or not an opinion is dumb? An opinion is an opinion and should at least be respected initially. If you care to challenge the opinion in a respectful meaningful manner than do so. Stop acting like you guys are the know all that ends all.

DuckDuckGose · September 11, 2013

That was a really awesome post, DDG.

For those who are presenting the "there's no one better!" argument, and for those interested period, I assembled a nice list of 2B that should be available this offseason, or SSs that could probably play 2B for us.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=c,4,6,23,37,38,11,-1,34,35,40,41,-1,50,65,61,-1,54,111,55,56,51,58&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=1609,1738,3269,9219,3442,9810,1429,4229,1849,2498,2430,166,4316,1066,5133,4251&sort=21,d

Anyone know how to embed a custom report/table/leaderboard?

16 options for somewhat cheap that are better than Goins.

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GD · September 11, 2013

How'd you do that, DDG?

Who the f*** are you to determine whether or not an opinion is dumb? An opinion is an opinion and should at least be respected initially.

Speaking personally, I respect (or try my damnest) to give all opinions some initial leeway, but if they do, which I assume they do, and they disagree, too f***ing bad.

You have the right to an opinion, and they have a right to tell you just how f***ing stupid they think it is.

gruber92 · September 11, 2013

Nice post DDG. I don't think comparing their A and AA numbers can be accurately applied when assessing Thole and Goins (or any two hitters ) at the MLB level. It's a decent base to start from but players change or can change from those levels,either for the better or worse,or stay the same. I think we'll just have to wait for a larger SS in the bigs before realizing Goins' potential. IMO, he'll be a better MLB hitter than Thole.

DuckDuckGose · September 11, 2013

You just copy and paste but, you have to make sure to highlight the table itself and not just the text (start and end your selection outside of the table border).

gruber92 · September 11, 2013

How'd you do that, DDG?

Speaking personally, I respect (or try my damnest) to give all opinions some initial leeway, but if they do, which I assume they do, and they disagree, too f***ing bad.

You have the right to an opinion, and they have a right to tell you just how f***ing stupid they think it is.

Fair enough,but it's the dialogue in which the responses are made of is not necessary , especially the snarky sarcasm.

GD · September 11, 2013

Fair enough,but it's the dialogue in which the responses are made of is not necessary , especially the snarky sarcasm.

Did you not tell Nox he's such a f***ing idiot that it's unreal? Don't act like some victim lol.

Laika · September 11, 2013

Who the f*** are you to determine whether or not an opinion is dumb? An opinion is an opinion and should at least be respected initially. If you care to challenge the opinion in a respectful meaningful manner than do so. Stop acting like you guys are the know all that ends all.

Lol, wtf does this even mean? Opinions are ideas. Ideas can be flat out wrong, laughably retarded, etc.

So I can't have an opinion that someone's (your) opinion is dumb?

Ok, it is my opinion that your IQ is probably below 95, and you probably smell like multiple buttholes. You aren't allowed to think this is dumb, it's just my opinion man. Respekt.

It appears that your jimmies are slightly rustled.

If you can't play with the big dogs, then stay on the porch, pops.

gruber92 · September 11, 2013

Lol, wtf does this even mean? Opinions are ideas. Ideas can be flat out wrong, laughably retarded, etc.

So I can't have an opinion that someone's (your) opinion is dumb?

It appears that your jimmies are slightly rustled.

If you can't play with the big dogs, then stay on the porch, pops.

Lol..

DuckDuckGose · September 11, 2013

Nice post DDG. I don't think comparing their A and AA numbers can be accurately applied when assessing Thole and Goins (or any two hitters ) at the MLB level. It's a decent base to start from but players change or can change from those levels,either for the better or worse,or stay the same. I think we'll just have to wait for a larger SS in the bigs before realizing Goins' potential. IMO, he'll be a better MLB hitter than Thole.

Thanks Gruber. FYI I didn't include AAA because Thole didn't have a large enough sample of PA's but the gap in performance was about the same. It is also worth noting that Thole has been exceptionally bad at the plate this season.

The post was meant to compare Goins' and Simmons' D more than Goins' and Thole's bat. I couldn't avoid a bat comp with a Jay on the list. The timing of the Fangraphs article was perfect as we have been indirectly discussing the run value of defence over the last few days. Bottom line is Goins will have to be exceptional in the field to be an above replacement level player as he isn't going to hit a lick.

Simmons' stats go to show that you can be a very very valuable player even with a limited bat.

GD · September 11, 2013

Spot here for you:

http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/1367-A-New-Unamed-Board-Dynasty-League

How many fantasy leagues are you in? I think I'm in 4 or 5 right now. If I take this, I'm probably gonna relinquish my L3 spot, is that okay?

gruber92 · September 11, 2013

Thanks Gruber. FYI I didn't include AAA because Thole didn't have a large enough sample of PA's but the gap in performance was about the same. It is also worth noting that Thole has been exceptionally bad at the plate this season.

The post was meant to compare Goins' and Simmons' D more than Goins' and Thole's bat. I couldn't avoid a bat comp with a Jay on the list. The timing of the Fangraphs article was perfect as we have been indirectly discussing the run value of defence over the last few days. Bottom line is Goins will have to be exceptional in the field to be an above replacement level player as he isn't going to hit a lick.

Simmons' stats go to show that you can be a very very valuable player even with a limited bat.

Agreed. I still think Goins has a good enough fundamental approach at the plate where Motolla may be able to extract some lower - middle end offense (.250ish) from him. That would give him decent value. We just have to wait it out. I am liking his low K rate in the bigs so far though.

GD · September 11, 2013

It's said dynasty is the most fun you'll have. Ill probably have 4-5 for next season. L3 might end up not being around next year if most or all of the active members get to L2 with L1 and L2 dropouts).

Alright, I'm in. Thanks.

theblujay · September 12, 2013

Thanks Gruber. FYI I didn't include AAA because Thole didn't have a large enough sample of PA's but the gap in performance was about the same. It is also worth noting that Thole has been exceptionally bad at the plate this season.

The post was meant to compare Goins' and Simmons' D more than Goins' and Thole's bat. I couldn't avoid a bat comp with a Jay on the list. The timing of the Fangraphs article was perfect as we have been indirectly discussing the run value of defence over the last few days. Bottom line is Goins will have to be exceptional in the field to be an above replacement level player as he isn't going to hit a lick.

Simmons' stats go to show that you can be a very very valuable player even with a limited bat.

Thanks for actually replying to the Goins supporters with information instead of just spewing attacks and nonsense. We don't have a large enough to sample to know how great Goins' D is, but so far I'd say its pretty good. The main point is that he doesn't have to hit too much to be somewhat valuable.

gruber92 · September 12, 2013

Looked like Alomar to me. What a play..

Lol

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