Can anyone say they're proud to be a fan of a team that would have Gibbons as manager

[The_DH]

I know that bothers me. Either you think managers don't matter so it's as irrelevant as who the janitor is or you think managers set the tone. Personally I remember Sparky Andersonand the effect he had. I think he was a true leader and we don't have one.

[Convo]

I know that bothers me. Either you think managers don't matter so it's as irrelevant as who the janitor is or you think managers set the tone. Personally I remember Sparky Andersonand the effect he had. I think he was a true leader and we don't have one.

 

Gibbons has nothing to do with this abyssal season.

[GD]

Omfg this again

[Atothe]

I hope a foul ball hits you in the face op

[Howard Roark]

And Obama has nothing to with how the country is governed.

 

If you actually believe that the US president decides US policy, or the Canadian prime minister decides Canadian policy, you're either very stupid or just too young to know any better.

 

Follow the money, brother. Namely, who gets to print it out of thin air and loan it to the government at interest.

[o2cui2i]

If you actually believe that the US president decides US policy, or the Canadian prime minister decides Canadian policy, you're either very stupid or just too young to know any better.

 

Follow the money, brother. Namely, who gets to print it out of thin air and loan it to the government at interest.

 

you might as well be explaining leprechauns and their pot of gold.

[Howard Roark]

And just to address the OP, it's hardly fair to blame Gibbons for the fact that the team has received absolutely nothing from Dickey, Morrow, Romero, Johnson, or Happ. The ONLY starter that has had an acceptable season is Buehrle, and he's been nothing special. How you can blame that on the manager I do not know.

 

Blaming the manager is the default position of idiot fans who are too stupid to logically assess any given situation. "Teem doing not gud?! MANGER FOLT!11!!1 FIYRE TEH MANGER!?!!!1!!"

 

If anything, the man deserves a trophy for enduring this season without snapping on one of these clowns and putting them in intensive care.

[Howard Roark]

you might as well be explaining leprechauns and their pot of gold.

 

This analogy is going over my head, I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not. =/

[Dylan]

This thread belongs on the old forum.

[Howard Roark]

Yup. Unfortunately he's probably canned the first week of October.

 

I'd be shocked if they fired him after this season. I'm very confident that he gets another year, it would be an absolute travesty if the man was thrown under the bus for a season which was derailed by every starting pitcher s***ing the bed.

 

Basically, for the second year in a row, everything that could go wrong, did.

[leaffie]

Read something yesterday that said, even though it wasn't Gibbons fault, Rogers might have something to say, just for appearance sake.

 

Might have been Davidi.

[leaffie]

At first the" fire the manager" people, said that the only thing that Gibbons did right was manage his bullpen well. Now that the bullpen is struggling because of overwork, now they are saying fire him because he can't run a bullpen.

 

He was not my choice, but this has been a season of unbelievable losses, injuries, under production, players playing out of position, and I doubt he can be blamed for any of it.

 

I will not be surprised though, if AA isn't pressured into letting him go.

[havok24]

Gibbons is probably getting fired right when the season ends. Not that he is responsible for the team's abysmal performance, but he will obviously be made a scapegoat here. Casual fans want his head and AA will do the deed of firing him.

[havok24]

Exactly. You can't win 70 games in an all-in season and not let some heads roll. That's bad PR.

 

They won 72 games last season and they are on pace to win 72 games this year lol.

[Howard Roark]

Have any first-year managers survived a season this disappointing? I just think the fans will be looking for a scapegoat, and trading Bonifacio for a bag of balls probably won't cut. I'll be very impressed with AA if he doesn't fire Gibby.

 

The way I see it, the only way AA cuts him loose this offseason is if he's ordered to by the Board. Firing Gibbons opens up AA to a whooooooooole lot of criticism and second-guessing from the media-femme cockroaches, and puts a big fat target on his own back if '14 doesn't pan out, as he would be the next logical target for the Knee-Jerk Brigade at that point.

 

Honestly, my gut puts the chances of Gibbons being fired this offseason at around 20%.

[Howard Roark]

It is true that a new manager next season would be the 4th in 5 seasons under AA, which does look bad and put the target on his back the next time things go wrong.

 

Exactly. Keeping Gibbons around for next year buys Alex more time in case things stay on this same s***** course next season. Like I said, I just don't see how AA can throw him under the bus at this point as that puts him directly in the fans' line of fire next year if things don't turn around. Of course, if Nadir and the rest of the **********s on the Board order it, Alex has no choice, but I just don't see that happening yet.

 

The blame for this season is 70% on the starters, with 30% of the blame going to the Luck Dragon.

[Howard Roark]

EDIT: double-post. Deleted.

[Anemic0ffense]

I don't really have much to add here that hasn't already been said, but I'd be shocked if Gibbons is fired... I think we know AA well enough now to know that his ego is as big as his stomach... He won't axe his guy after one year... Makes him look bad

[TheHurl]

Like almost everything with this team...I think think the re-assessment happens middle of next season.

[Anemic0ffense]

Like almost everything with this team...I think think the re-assessment happens middle of next season.

 

When they're double digits out of a playoff spot by May 31st... Textbook Jays front office

[Howard Roark]

This offseason is going to be very interesting, I can't see them standing pat.

 

Got a nice rum n' coke buzz going right now. Just thought I'd share that. =D

[Clojojo]

Ripken wants to manage next year

hopefully we can gibbons and sign him, instant leadership

[Caper]

put it this way...we have, bar none, the worst coaching staff in MLB. and it starts with the manager. the ONLY f***ing thing gibbons is not good, but great at is how he handles the bullpen.

 

if gibbons is the manager next year, i won't be watching. i stopped watching after they laid a huge egg after the all-star break. i had watched/listened to every game until then.

 

gibbons is a piece of s*** puppet. face it. he didn't do a damn thing the first go-around, and he sure as hell isn't doing a damn thing this time.

 

 

 

Who is the manager that would have this group in the playoffs right now?

[jays_fever]

Who is the manager that would have this group in the playoffs right now?

 

Bobby CoX. Dude is a proven winner. Imagine if those elite rotatons of the 90's/early 2000's didnt have him! Boy they would have went no where

[CHRIS]

Basically, for the second year in a row, everything that could go wrong, did.

 

Unfortunately, this is not really true. Rasmus being solid all season, a productive season from Lind, good years from Bautista and EE, a very good bullpen for most of the year. A lot has gone wrong to be sure, but it could have been worse, sadly.

 

I still don't thing Gibbons should be fired though. It would be pretty sad if he lost his job but Beeston and AA got to keep theirs.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I know that bothers me. Either you think managers don't matter so it's as irrelevant as who the janitor is or you think managers set the tone. Personally I remember Sparky Andersonand the effect he had. I think he was a true leader and we don't have one.

 

Remember the mutiny with Cito? If this veteran-laden team had enough of Gibbons we'd know.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Exactly. You can't win 70 games in an all-in season and not let some heads roll. That's bad PR.

 

Ruben Amaro recently found the reason to the Phills debacle.

[The_DH]

Remember the mutiny with Cito? If this veteran-laden team had enough of Gibbons we'd know.

 

I dont think that's the problem. I think this team has no cohesion. It's why players keep swinging for the fences and getting caught at 2b. They don't believe there will be scoring otherwise. That's a leadership problem. Aren't we the worse hitting with RISP?

[GeorgiaPeach]

I dont think that's the problem. I think this team has no cohesion. It's why players keep swinging for the fences and getting caught at 2b. They don't believe there will be scoring otherwise. That's a leadership problem. Aren't we the worse hitting with RISP?

 

Well then its all on the players. Early in the year I listened to a lengthy segment on the Fan with Chad Mottola who preached using the whole field...working counts etc. If the players aren't taking good advice, which what Mottola was saying was good. Then its on the players who are all adults to adhere to coaching instruction.

[gruber92]

The nucleus of this whole horror story is AA's love with JPA. The Dickey trade never happens if not for that reason. Now AA will fast track Jiminez to the MLB because he was too late in realizing JPA is not a MLB starting catcher. What a sorry assed goof.