DeRosa is claimed.... Will AA move him?

[o2cui2i]

Yup. He's taking up a 25-man spot, and will end up putting up like 250 PA without adding wins. There's absolutely no reason to be complacent with getting 0 wins from a 25-man player going forward. Bring someone in who can contribute and not just take up space. Or at least try to do that.

 

AA gets that he needs pitching depth and has middle relievers in the ass, but he seems content with any old s*** on the bench which means any monkey could manage the team. not much guessing about the lineup when you have 3 on the bench (seldom 4) who shouldn't be playing pro ball. then compound that will 3 guys on the field who should be on the bench or in AAAA ball.

 

AA has no f***ing idea what it takes to win.

[KSaw]

Chad Jenkins

Todd Redmond

Mickey Storey

Thad Weber

 

Ryan Goins

Mauro Gomez

Munenori Kawasaki

Moises Sierra

 

8 excellent DFA candidates. Hopefully Lind will be gone. He has an expensive buy out option but they would still save 5M on his salary and they have to consider that. Would have*** been nice if we could move Izturis, Bonifacio, and DeRosa but it doesn't look like that will happen.

 

Redman, Storey, Weber and Goins will not lose roster spots. Two of them are depth SPs with options and low salaries.

[Caper]

Yup. He's taking up a 25-man spot, and will end up putting up like 250 PA without adding wins. There's absolutely no reason to be complacent with getting 0 wins from a 25-man player going forward. Bring someone in who can contribute and not just take up space. Or at least try to do that.

 

You're not going to get Mike Trout to come and sit on your bench.

[CHRIS]

Good teams improve on replacement-level players, they don't keep them around because "they haven't been that bad".

 

This reminds me of the time when they handed Thames the starting LF job, not because he earned it, but because he hadn't done anything to lose it.

 

I'm pretty certain we're going to extend DeRosa.

[Abomination]

Yup. He's taking up a 25-man spot, and will end up putting up like 250 PA without adding wins. There's absolutely no reason to be complacent with getting 0 wins from a 25-man player going forward. Bring someone in who can contribute and not just take up space. Or at least try to do that.

 

If you really want your jammies russled, go to ESPN's stats and take a look at dwar for all Jays players (this should make people hate baseball reference's WAR even more, which I think is what they use).

 

Interestingly, after looking closer at some of the numbers, Boni might actually rate positive defensively overall if you take away the ~50 innings he's played in center field. Removing the first 2 weeks or so of the season when he was a gong show at 2nd probably puts him above average defensively there too on both B-R and Fangraphs. Now if we could only get that horrid bat going.

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/fielding/_/name/tor/cat/defWARBR/toronto-blue-jays

 

edited: Included the link to ESPN's dwar.

[AuntieJPA]

If you really want your jammies russled, go to ESPN's stats and take a look at dwar for all Jays players (this should make people hate baseball reference's WAR even more, which I think is what they use).

 

Interestingly, after looking closer at some of the numbers, Boni might actually rate positive defensively overall if you take away the ~50 innings he's played in center field. Removing the first 2 weeks or so of the season when he was a gong show at 2nd probably puts him above average defensively there too on both B-R and Fangraphs. Now if we could only get that horrid bat going.

 

Yeah, but Trout is -1.4. Of course he is 7 on O. Few players on the lists have awesome DWAR. Machado is a 3.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/fielding/_/name/tor/cat/defWARBR/toronto-

[bzapple]

You're not going to get Mike Trout to come and sit on your bench.

 

Of course we're not going to have a 9-10 WAR player on the bench. The only position you can reasonably expect that kind of value from is the closer.

[Caper]

Stupid post.

 

Who is going to be our 5 war player that is going to come to Toronto and sit on the bench?

[DuckDuckGose]

Who is going to be our 5 war player that is going to come to Toronto and sit on the bench?

 

Replacement level guys by definition are AAA quality players. The bench should be filled with 1-2 WAR guy, which aren't good enough to start but too good for the minors.

[Caper]

You really shouldn't troll if your troll posts are only marginally worse than your serious posts.

 

Who is it you want to come to Toronto and sit on the bench?

[Boxcar]

Who is it you want to come to Toronto and sit on the bench?

 

Eric Chavez is an example of a good bench player. Incredible that you seem to think that DeRosa could only possibly be replaced on the bench by an MVP calibre player. Are you high?

[G-Snarls]

I have no problem with a 2014 bench that includes DeRosa. I like the versatility that he and Izturis provide. An upgrade at 2B with those two on bench would be fine with me.

[KSaw]

I have no problem with a 2014 bench that includes DeRosa. I like the versatility that he and Izturis provide. An upgrade at 2B with those two on bench would be fine with me.

 

I don't think that people mind DeRosa so much. It's more that seeing a young rising player in the role would be nice. I'm not sure that attaching a roster spot to a 24th or 25th man before Spring Training is a very effective way to manage a roster either.

[GD]

Who is it you want to come to Toronto and sit on the bench?

 

Johnny Gomes, Eric Chavez, Jeff Baker, Ryan Rayburn... f***, there was an article on it.

 

2013's Valuable Bench Pieces | Fangraphs

 

Not that hard.

[KSaw]

Forget Buck. Ruiz or McCann.

[Caper]

Johnny Gomes, Eric Chavez, Jeff Baker, Ryan Rayburn... f***, there was an article on it.

 

2013's Valuable Bench Pieces | Fangraphs

 

Not that hard.

 

 

So you named 4 guys... who have made almost no difference between them and Derossa.

 

And not that hard. I'm sure you would have been singing from the roof tops if back in December if AA signed Ryan Rayburn coming off a season where he ops'd .430 coming off 4 straight years of declining numbers.... I'm sure you completely called that rebound.

 

 

Yeah I would definitely agree that hindsight is not that hard.

[Caper]

Stupid post from a stupid poster. A win may not seem like a big deal, but I promise that it is.

 

Thanks for that promise... you're exactly right. If we won last night instead of lost, the season would be completely different.

[GD]

So you named 4 guys... who have made almost no difference between them and Derossa.

 

Lol

[Caper]

No, it wouldn't be. But if we won 88 instead of 89 things could be extremely different. Unfortunately, the same process that led to rostering Mark DeRosa has resulted in a wasted season. If you weren't stupid this wouldn't cloud your assessment of the value of a win but, alas, you are stupid.

 

No, starting pitching has led to a wasted season.... that's 90% of it.

[Boxcar]

Thanks for that promise... you're exactly right. If we won last night instead of lost, the season would be completely different.

 

Jesus Christ, Miltstar? Is that you?

[GD]

"The Jays pulled DeRosa off waivers the moment he was claimed, underlining the value the classy veteran infielder has brought to the club in a troubled season." http://www.thestar.com/sports/baseball/2013/08/09/blue_jays_veteran_mark_derosa_has_winning_attitude.html

 

This f***ing team

[Arkadium]

"The Jays pulled DeRosa off waivers the moment he was claimed, underlining the value the classy veteran infielder has brought to the club in a troubled season." http://www.thestar.com/sports/baseball/2013/08/09/blue_jays_veteran_mark_derosa_has_winning_attitude.html

 

This f***ing team

 

Why put him on waivers to begin with?

[Save Dtieb]

Why put him on waivers to begin with?

 

Yeah, you've got to wonder. Maybe because of the off chance another team might offer a prospect the Jays like.

[GD]

Why put him on waivers to begin with?

 

"club policy" or some s***

[Abomination]

"club policy" or some s***

 

It makes sense. If you put everyone on waivers, no one's feelings are hurt. It also gives the club a chance to gauge other team's interest in various players.

[Save Dtieb]

Maybe De Rosa is being groomed to replace Pat Tabler.

[GD]

Maybe De Rosa is being groomed to replace Pat Tabler.

 

I would actually enjoy this.

[jays_fever]

And the f***ing circus continues. We werent getting anything good for DeRosa, but what the hell is veteran leadership on a OLD f***ing team that sucks

[Save Dtieb]

"club policy" or some s***

 

Club Policy: Future Colourmen must have played at least 2 full seasons.

[Arkadium]

It makes sense. If you put everyone on waivers, no one's feelings are hurt. It also gives the club a chance to gauge other team's interest in various players.

 

I guess we treat our players like little babies then...