I hope JP Arencibia makes it to 1500 plate appearances in a Jays uniform

[Dick_Pole]

Why? Because he'll be dead last out of all Jays players to meet the qualified minimum of 1,500 plate appearances in BA and OBP. It's funny because with a .223 career avg and .270 OBP with both those stats heading in the wrong direction, it's not even close. Up until now 45 players have made the minimum requirement. Ed Sprague and Alex Gonzalez are last in BA at .245 and Alfredo Griffin is last in OBP at .280. Imagine if he still had his Twitter account we could point that out to him. What's kind of sad about this is that Colby is not too far off from 1,500 PA either and with a .231 BA in a Jays uniform, he'll bridge the gap between last and second last for JPA. So let's hope he has a hot streak for the rest of the year to bring that up a bit and to help us forget that we have had to live through two Jays regulars that could be the worst hitters for average the team has ever had.

 

Here's the leaderboard as it stands. Check out #11 for OBP...I wouldn't have guessed he's that high...pretty impressive list of players that he ranks above.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/TOR/leaders_bat_50.shtml

 

Batting Average (?)

Rank Player Batting Average PA

1. Paul Molitor .315 1839

2. Roberto Alomar .307 3105

3. Frank Catalanotto .299 1783

4. Shannon Stewart .298 4052

5. Tony Fernandez .297 5900

6. John Olerud .293 3689

7. Damaso Garcia .288 3756

8. George Bell .286 4883

Shawn Green .286 2766

10. Alex Rios .285 3354

11. Carlos Delgado .282 6018

12. Barry Bonnell .281 1647

Reed Johnson .281 2302

14. Rance Mulliniks .280 3470

Vernon Wells .280 5963

16. Fred McGriff .278 2322

17. Darrin Fletcher .276 1927

18. Roy Howell .272 2168

19. Orlando Hudson .270 1780

Devon White .270 2979

Al Woods .270 2171

22. Adam Lind .269 3205

23. Lyle Overbay .268 2854

24. Edwin Encarnacion .266 2136

25. Jesse Barfield .265 3869

Aaron Hill .265 3642

Willie Upshaw .265 4172

28. Bob Bailor .264 2052

29. Jose Bautista .261 2616

30. Kelly Gruber .259 3372

Eric Hinske .259 2559

32. Garth Iorg .258 2615

33. Joe Carter .257 4494

Lloyd Moseby .257 5799

Otto Velez .257 1843

36. Pat Borders .256 2463

John Mayberry .256 2102

38. Gregg Zaun .255 1922

39. Manuel Lee .254 2357

40. Ernie Whitt .253 3977

41. Rick Bosetti .252 1522

42. Jose Cruz .250 2901

43. Alfredo Griffin .249 3655

44. Alex Gonzalez .245 3634

Ed Sprague .245 3527

 

On-Base% (?)

Rank Player On-Base% PA

1. John Olerud .395 3689

2. Carlos Delgado .392 6018

3. Fred McGriff .389 2322

4. Paul Molitor .387 1839

5. Roberto Alomar .382 3105

6. Jose Bautista .380 2616

7. Otto Velez .372 1843

8. Rance Mulliniks .365 3470

Shannon Stewart .365 4052

10. Frank Catalanotto .361 1783

11. Gregg Zaun .354 1922

12. Tony Fernandez .353 5900

13. John Mayberry .352 2102

14. Lyle Overbay .350 2854

15. Edwin Encarnacion .346 2136

16. Shawn Green .344 2766

17. Reed Johnson .342 2302

18. Eric Hinske .337 2559

19. Willie Upshaw .336 4172

20. Roy Howell .335 2168

Alex Rios .335 3354

22. Jesse Barfield .334 3869

23. Lloyd Moseby .333 5799

24. Barry Bonnell .331 1647

Jose Cruz .331 2901

26. Vernon Wells .329 5963

27. Orlando Hudson .328 1780

28. Devon White .327 2979

Ernie Whitt .327 3977

30. George Bell .325 4883

Al Woods .325 2171

32. Adam Lind .321 3205

33. Darrin Fletcher .318 1927

Aaron Hill .318 3642

35. Ed Sprague .315 3527

36. Bob Bailor .314 2052

37. Damaso Garcia .312 3756

38. Joe Carter .308 4494

39. Kelly Gruber .307 3372

40. Alex Gonzalez .304 3634

Manuel Lee .304 2357

42. Garth Iorg .292 2615

43. Pat Borders .290 2463

44. Rick Bosetti .289 1522

45. Alfredo Griffin .280 3655

[Errorcebia]

He's the worst player to ever put on the uniform.

[Errorcebia]

This list also reminded me of how good Frank Catalanotto was

[IronLadle]

He's the worst player to ever put on the uniform.

 

He's not even the worst on the team, Thole is much worse.

[KSaw]

He's the worst player to ever put on the uniform.

 

He's not even the worst regular starter in club history. The 1977 team was a joke! The players in 78, 79, 80 and 81 were pretty horrible too.

[KSaw]

He's not even the worst on the team, Thole is much worse.

 

Guess again. Thole is a better defender and hits right handers well when he gets regular at bats.

 

JPA continues to play because it would rock the boat huge if he sat and because his power and athletic ability (supposedly) still give him a higher ceiling.

[KSaw]

This list also reminded me of how good Frank Catalanotto was

 

A strict platoon player who was moved to the outfield because he was as bad a second baseman as Bonifacio, if not worse.

[KSaw]

And I'd prefer they actually make an in division trade and ship him today to the Yankees. They could actually use him and would probably overpay. J.R Murphy and a bag of balls would work for me but AA could probably also get Slade Heathcott too. Slade has been a K machine, which would be good if he weren't an outfielder. His prospect ranking is tanking as fast as Deck McGuire's but he's still 22 and has all that toolsy upside that AA loves.

[IronLadle]

Guess again. Thole is a better defender and hits right handers well when he gets regular at bats.

 

JPA continues to play because it would rock the boat huge if he sat and because his power and athletic ability (supposedly) still give him a higher ceiling.

 

I don't have to guess. Thole has a weaker arm, his defence is insignificantly better and doesn't hit for average or power. Thole has gotten worse each year while J.P has improved each year.

[KSaw]

Huh what? JP has improved?

 

Thole hits for average. We haven't seen any sample size this year and he played almost all of 2012 while injured.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

JPAtrocious hasn't improved at all.... still garbage.

[KSaw]

Thole throws 2 mph slower (avg) and is more accurate and uses better footwork. His best time to 2b beats JPA's on the watch btw.

[Angrioter]

Thole throws 2 mph slower (avg) and is more accurate and uses better footwork. His best time to 2b beats JPA's on the watch btw.

 

...but JPA can throw from his knees; CS% is ********. Right?

[ExposFan]

17. Reed Johnson .342 2302

 

 

I miss Reed Johnson.

 

 

Let the stoning begin.

[KSaw]

...but JPA can throw from his knees; CS% is ********. Right?

 

Lol. Ya, he can ONLY throw from his knees. Loved how Thole gunned Billy Hamilton a few times this year. Wish he'd get some playing time. He was in such a groove last year with the Mets before he got hurt and he was smacking line drives all over for Buffalo. Let him play!

[Angrioter]

Lol. Ya, he can ONLY throw from his knees. Loved how Thole gunned Billy Hamilton a few times this year. Wish he'd get some playing time. He was in such a groove last year with the Mets before he got hurt and he was smacking line drives all over for Buffalo. Let him play!

 

or DFA both.

[Chappy]

I don't have to guess. Thole has a weaker arm, his defence is insignificantly better and doesn't hit for average or power. Thole has gotten worse each year while J.P has improved each year.

 

LOL at comparing arms. They both have the exact same career CS%. Arm strength is only part of it, but it means nothing if your reaction time is that of a turtle. To add to that:

 

Thole career BA/OBP: .256/327

JPA career BA/OBP: .223/.270.

 

JPA's OBP and OPS seems to be trending downwards too over the past 3 years. JPA is only better than Thole in the power department and that does not make up for all his other deficiencies which include the fact that he can't catch a KB and Thole can.

[IronLadle]

Huh what? JP has improved?

 

Thole hits for average. We haven't seen any sample size this year and he played almost all of 2012 while injured.

 

J.P's WAR has increased each year while Thole's has decreased

 

...but JPA can throw from his knees; CS% is ********. Right?

 

J.P had the better CS% last year.

[Deadpool]

I miss Reed Johnson.

 

 

Let the stoning begin.

 

Don't worry, there's a good chance he'll be a September call-up...

 

Yes King, I posted this JUST to make you rage!

[wardhenke1]

I think Griffin said it best in his column; Beeston and AA didn't choose to send D'arnaud to the Mets over JPA; New York demanded him as part of the package with Syndergaard (God help us with this trade in 2 years). The Mets simply knew what all of Baseball knew, namely that D'arnaud is a better catching prospect than JPA will ever be.

 

I never thought JPA would be this bad though; how sad is it when I find myself longing for the days of Yan Gomes?

Edited July 25, 2013 by wardhenke1

[KSaw]

J.P's WAR has increased each year while Thole's has decreased

 

 

 

J.P had the better CS% last year.

 

Did you watch a Mets game last year? Thole was badly injured and came off the DL and played the season way below 100% and caught Dickey every 5th day. Melky has played this year in better health than Thole did in 2012.

[IronLadle]

LOL at comparing arms. They both have the exact same career CS%. Arm strength is only part of it, but it means nothing if your reaction time is that of a turtle. To add to that:

 

Thole career BA/OBP: .256/327

JPA career BA/OBP: .223/.270.

 

JPA's OBP and OPS seems to be trending downwards too over the past 3 years. JPA is only better than Thole in the power department and that does not make up for all his other deficiencies which include the fact that he can't catch a KB and Thole can.

 

Thole wOBA

2011 - .307

2012 - .257

2013 - .205

 

J.P wOBA

2011 - .311

2012 - .304

2013 - .295

 

Overall J.P has been the better hitter the last two and a half seasons.

[IronLadle]

Did you watch a Mets game last year? Thole was badly injured and came off the DL and played the season way below 100% and caught Dickey every 5th day. Melky has played this year in better health than Thole did in 2012.

 

How do you think I knew he was no significant upgrade?

[IronLadle]

I think Griffin said it best in his column; Beeston and AA didn't choose to send D'arnaud to the Mets over JPA; New York demanded him as part of the package with Syndergaard (God help us with this trade in 2 years). The Mets simply knew what all of Baseball knew, namely that D'arnaud is a better catching prospect that JPA will ever be.

 

I never thought JPA would be this bad though; how sad is it when I find myself longing for the days of Yan Gomes?

 

Such a ridiculous trade, why we needed Thole and Nickeas and Blanco is beyond me

[KSaw]

Well agree to disagree. That was a nasty concussion and he was carrying an OBP above .350 at the time. Not bad for a guy who really is a platoon specialist who can't hit leftys, though has faced many. He receives better, calls a better game and can actually block a ball to his right.

[Smokey]

 

J.P wOBA

2011 - .311

2012 - .304

2013 - .295

 

Yup, he has definitely "improved each year".

[Angrioter]

Yup, he has definitely "improved each year".

 

wOBA = ERA?

If so, he improvement over the years.

#Top10Catcher #JaysCatcheroftheFuture

[Smokey]

wOBA = ERA?

If so, he improvement over the years.

#Top10Catcher #JaysCatcheroftheFuture

 

Let's get him signed to an extension before his value goes through the roof.

 

#cottoncandy4life

[Angrioter]

Let's get him signed to an extension before his value goes through the roof.

 

#cottoncandy4life

 

Posey kind of deal? ---- Oh wait, JPA pop >> Posey pop

 

f***, 250M for sure

[Errorcebia]

His WAR has not improved every year. He is only worth 0.3 WAR this season. He's way off pace to meet his dismal total from last year. He is actually regressing.