Stoeten "insufferable sour pusses"

[Olerud363]

I check djf about once a week these days, and rarely read entire articles. In 2011 I probably checked it twice a day. But as I mentioned before since being purchased by the Rogers empire (indirectly through the Score?? Whatever...) the site has basically become a apology operation.

 

Yesterday Stoeten took it to a new level calling 70% of fandom "insufferable sour pusses".

 

I guess the thinking is that the little people don't know what they're talking about and are complaining over-dramatically because they have a psychological disorder.

 

This year we've seen Anthony Gose crash, Brett Lawrie crash. I don't know what the word is for what Ricky Romero did (5 walks in one inning last night)?? 23 year old injury prone Henderson Alvarez is neck and neck with Johnson in WAR....

 

Brandon Morrow has crashed. 38 year old RA Dickey has crashed. Sergio Santos hasn't pitched 10 innings in 2 years. Top prospects like Osuna and Sanchez have injury flags. The first round draft pick didn't sign (again).

 

34 year old Mark Buerhle has pitched as expected. Which is very slightly above replacement level. And I guess according to Stoeten this is a good thing?? That this organization, led by a team of elite superscouts, that the best they can do is find a 34 year old replacement level pitcher at 16 million a year??

 

We have 2 regulars with a .250 obp... but this is OK right... because... on base percentage is overrated or something.

 

We are seeing our former manager leading the best team in baseball to the playoffs. We are seeing other city's media hint strongly that there is something wrong in the Toronto organization.

 

We see players out of control on Twitter, Our leftfielder suffers from steroid withdrawal. We are in last place. And I could go on and on and on....

 

But the number one point is this: When AA took over he promised that a team of "superscouts" would find hidden advantages in every move, instead they find the hidden (or even worse the obvious) disadvantage in every move. And that is what has so many fans so upset. The conventional wisdom is young players, pitching, on base percentage, farm system, young not old, patience (at the plate and with the devolopment process), build the team, have a couple of year of success before going "all-in". Tampa Bay/Oakland model (young players), the New York/Boston model (crank up the on base percentage with the payroll).

 

But AA claimed to be smarter then the conventional wisdom... the team of superscouts would find 30 somethings that would beat conventional aging... or something like that.

 

But I digress, Back to Stoeten's point, the fans are just sour pusses to believe all this Tampa Bay, Bill James, Billy Beane s***?? Right?? In AA we believe.

 

In the end we're not sour pusses... just long time fans, who have watched a lot of baseball

 

Admittedly tempers run hot... the prose isn't the greatest, but we're not paid writers for Rogers coorporation... we're just fans. I think the way we say things is a bit much... but what most of the fans are saying isn't that outrageous.

 

We think the organization is in serious, really scary serious trouble... and we could be wrong. I hope we're wrong. Nothing would make me happier.

 

Anyway Stoeten, like Wilner, has a job to do, promotions to get, people to impress. I shouldn't be to hard on him, he's just another guy earning a dollar and trying to impress Rogers suits.

[Angrioter]

What does it mean "insufferable sour pusses"?

[HERPDERP]

That fanboy blocked me on twitter because I pointed out how unreasonably biased with the Jays he is. It's almost as if he works for Rogers (oh wait he does!)

[Laika]

Jesus F'ing Christ. You just wrote an essay because Andrew Stoeten called you an insufferable sour puss.

 

Get over it?

 

p.s. this is exactly what an insufferable sour puss would do when called out as an insufferable sour puss. They would write a brief yet insufferable composition full of sour puss, all over the place.

 

The Blue Jays suck and AA isn't the franchise savior. Blah blah blah. Now go outside and get some sun.

[GeorgiaPeach]

As much as I can't stand Stoeten, his assessment is soft & light. 70% are sour pusses???

 

95% of all fans are f***ing idiots.

[o2cui2i]

As much as I can't stand Stoeten, his assessment is soft & light. 70% are sour pusses???

 

95% of all fans are f***ing idiots.

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

yet that group of 95% pays most of the bills.

 

 

none of the jays moves show any hope for this team getting better under current regime.

[KingKat]

That fanboy blocked me on twitter because I pointed out how unreasonably biased with the Jays he is. It's almost as if he works for Rogers (oh wait he does!)

 

Oh wait he doesn't... TheScore.com was not sold to Rogers, it continues to operate independately. Stoeten isn't a Rogers shill. He is just incredibly thin-skinned when interactin on the Internet. He doesn't really listen, his default seems to be to assume whoever he's talking to is a over-reacting knee jerk fan when it is in fact him who has a knee jerk reaction to any negativity that doesn't come from his inner circle. I like him a lot but I refrain from commenting on his blog because it's not productive to have a discussion with someone who gets instantly annoyed with you and I'm not really interested in merely annoying someone who's writing and speaking I otherwise enjoy. The funny thing about Stoeten is that he has some pretty negative opinions about the Jays himself. He's mentionned a few times on his podcast that he's sitting on a post about how despite AA being on the job some time now, the team is still heavily reliant on players originally acquired by J.P. Ricciardi and hasn't gotten nearly a much as it needed from AA's acquisitions. It's sounds like a good read but he's worried that it will enable all the fans that he has painted with a very broad brush as knee-jerk reactionnaries. It's a shame he feels the need to tie himself into knots to counter negativity (à la Wilner) and isn't more intelectually honest about the fundamental problems with the Jays.

[dineke]

So Stoeten is complaining about fans complaining again? What''s new?

[digiblader]

Mark Buehrle hasn't really crashed--his current numbers are comparable to what he was like in Chicago, and his K rate has ticked up a little.

 

And you have to understand why AA made these moves--expecting the farm system to develop tons of prospects a year isn't realistic. Heck, look at Tampa--despite all that pitching, they haven't developed an elite everyday player since Longoria. Wil Myers doesn't count(KC developed him).

 

New York is in really bleak shape--worse than Toronto. None of their prospects have progressed as planned(Austin, Heathcott and Williams have taken steps back), and most of their pitching prospects have regressed or gotten hurt.

 

And don't guarantee Boston a playoff spot yet--Texas, Baltimore, Tampa and Cleveland will determine that.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

It's been 20 years of no playoffs. If the fans WEREN'T complaining and being "insufferable," the Jays organization would really have a major problem on their hands. They should feel lucky to still have a passionate fanbase that cares despite the front office putting out a s***-ass product for the past 20 years.

[Smokey]

Mark Buehrle hasn't really crashed--his current numbers are comparable to what he was like in Chicago, and his K rate has ticked up a little.

 

And you have to understand why AA made these moves--expecting the farm system to develop tons of prospects a year isn't realistic. Heck, look at Tampa--despite all that pitching, they haven't developed an elite everyday player since Longoria. Wil Myers doesn't count(KC developed him).

 

New York is in really bleak shape--worse than Toronto. None of their prospects have progressed as planned(Austin, Heathcott and Williams have taken steps back), and most of their pitching prospects have regressed or gotten hurt.

 

And don't guarantee Boston a playoff spot yet--Texas, Baltimore, Tampa and Cleveland will determine that.

 

Speaking of insufferable fans - you're by far the worst!!!

Edited July 23, 2013 by Smokey

[TheHurl]

baseball is hard

[fatcowxlive]

Hendo isn't injury prone?

[Flashman]

His latest: http://blogs.thescore.com/djf/2013/07/23/aaron-cibias-a-twitter-quitter/

 

"I can’t say that I blame him, though, and the funny thing is, J.P. Arencibia is literally better at baseball than any of the limp dicks s***ing on him are– or will be– at anything in their entire f***ing lives. Of the tens of million who play baseball globally, at any given time the number of players on an active big league roster is just seven-hundred-and-f***ing-fifty."

 

Nice argument ...

[IBTrini]

What does it mean "insufferable sour pusses"?

insufferable = Difficult or impossible to endure

sourpusses = A habitually gloomy or sullen person

The phrase can be used to describe a miserable/negative person who you do not like being around. e.g. without calling anyone out I would say some trolls on here fall into that category.

[IBTrini]

Jesus F'ing Christ. You just wrote an essay because Andrew Stoeten called you an insufferable sour puss.

 

Get over it?

 

p.s. this is exactly what an insufferable sour puss would do when called out as an insufferable sour puss. They would write a brief yet insufferable composition full of sour puss, all over the place.

 

The Blue Jays suck and AA isn't the franchise savior. Blah blah blah. Now go outside and get some sun.

 

This was precious - had a good laugh!

[Angrioter]

insufferable = Difficult or impossible to endure

sourpusses = A habitually gloomy or sullen person

The phrase can be used to describe a miserable/negative person who you do not like being around. e.g. without calling anyone out I would say some trolls on here fall into that category.

 

Great

 

Thanks hermano

[ExposFan]

I can’t stand Stoeten.

 

While the guy has a decent baseball IQ – one far superior to mine anyways – he just tries too damn hard to be a vulgar badass. The contrarian act can fun for a little while, but it gets tired fast enough. Essentially, he’s the Miley Cyrus of baseball bloggers.

 

Plus, dat beard.

[GeorgiaPeach]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

yet that group of 95% pays most of the bills.

 

Let them keep paying the bills. It doesn't mean they should have a speaking part.

Edited July 23, 2013 by GeorgiaPeach

[Deadpool]

His latest: http://blogs.thescore.com/djf/2013/07/23/aaron-cibias-a-twitter-quitter/

 

"I can’t say that I blame him, though, and the funny thing is, J.P. Arencibia is literally better at baseball than any of the limp dicks s***ing on him are– or will be– at anything in their entire f***ing lives. Of the tens of million who play baseball globally, at any given time the number of players on an active big league roster is just seven-hundred-and-f***ing-fifty."

 

Nice argument ...

 

I am a lot better at several things than JPA is at baseball. That's a really terrible argument. I would wager that most people who have any sort of "career" are better at that career than JPA is at his.

[vdartanian]

What does it mean "insufferable sour pusses"?

 

http://www.brainlesstales.com/images/2011/Jul/puss-on-your-face.jpg

[Laika]

I would wager that most people who have any sort of "career" are better at that career than JPA is at his.

 

No.

 

Consider JPA to be a professional baseball player, not just an MLB player. Compare him to everyone in the entire world who gets paid anything to play baseball. He's in a very small percentile, even if he's a replacement level MLBer.

[Caper]

I am a lot better at several things than JPA is at baseball. That's a really terrible argument. I would wager that most people who have any sort of "career" are better at that career than JPA is at his.

 

Really? What do you do? Are there only a few hundred people in the world that can do what you do?

[declan_44]

I am a lot better at several things than JPA is at baseball. That's a really terrible argument. I would wager that most people who have any sort of "career" are better at that career than JPA is at his.

 

His logic is even more stupid. Stoet is not one of the top 750 writers in the world (Or even sniffing that air!). So he is just as worthless as he wants to label all these fans. Pot see kettle.

[Olerud363]

How many times do you guys need to be told Stoeten doesn't work for Rogers?

 

He's talking about the people who incessantly spam his blog and twitter with apocalyptic proclamations. I'm fed up with this team too but the right response is indifference, not cataclysmic vitriol. I'll still watch games but I pay more attention to individual players.

 

Stoeten's position is understandable and correct if you look at it the right way. He knows that the season is one massive failure, but also knows there's no sense in blowing up the internet over it.

 

I don't know who is "seriously" predicting apocalyptic proclamations. Occasionally some have (mostly in jest) suggested 2050 as the new goal. I'm not aware of many who would seriously spam Stoeten's site and twitter. I've never interacted with the guy myself. But maybe there is a world I'm not paying attention to.

 

So most people who are incredibly negative aren't predicting the apocalypse but just feel it's time to switch course, time for another rebuild. And that needs to be done by a new regime.

 

If this exact same team team had been together 5 years, had a couple of playoff appearances, then grown old... nobody would think that's a crazy view. That would be the nature of the cycle.

 

The fact that this team was built 9 months ago... the Phillies without the playoff appearances many have called it... makes for an awkward situation. It's hard to gracefully and tactfully explain that AAs moves basically served to skip the winning years, and go from promising farm system, to over the hill without any winning, or even contention.

[Olerud363]

How many times do you guys need to be told Stoeten doesn't work for Rogers?

 

He's talking about the people who incessantly spam his blog and twitter with apocalyptic proclamations. I'm fed up with this team too but the right response is indifference, not cataclysmic vitriol. I'll still watch games but I pay more attention to individual players.

 

Stoeten's position is understandable and correct if you look at it the right way. He knows that the season is one massive failure, but also knows there's no sense in blowing up the internet over it.

 

Isn't the Score owned by Rogers?? Having worked for a small "independent" company, that was purchased by a large conglomarate I have a hard time believing the score is independent. Ussually this situation means the Rogers suits watch the score, could crush Stoeten if they wanted to but wouldn't bother filthying themsleves actually interacting with Score employees. They probably hire a consultant to do that.

[Olerud363]

Mark Buehrle hasn't really crashed--his current numbers are comparable to what he was like in Chicago, and his K rate has ticked up a little.

 

And you have to understand why AA made these moves--expecting the farm system to develop tons of prospects a year isn't realistic. Heck, look at Tampa--despite all that pitching, they haven't developed an elite everyday player since Longoria. Wil Myers doesn't count(KC developed him).

 

New York is in really bleak shape--worse than Toronto. None of their prospects have progressed as planned(Austin, Heathcott and Williams have taken steps back), and most of their pitching prospects have regressed or gotten hurt.

 

And don't guarantee Boston a playoff spot yet--Texas, Baltimore, Tampa and Cleveland will determine that.

 

I didn't say Buerhle crashed... this is what I said about Buerhle

 

"34 year old Mark Buerhle has pitched as expected. Which is very slightly above replacement level. And I guess according to Stoeten this is a good thing?? That this organization, led by a team of elite superscouts, that the best they can do is find a 34 year old replacement level pitcher at 16 million a year??"

[BigCecil]

Its easy to look at it so bleakly the way this season is going. Now...even the long anticipated pen meltdown has come. How long did we think Perez would throw shutout innings for? Cecil has been BC of old lately, but he will come back around. I still think this team has talent and lots of it. I am not a Gibby fan and never was. Don't "blame" him but would not be opposed to change. Think AA needs another year. This yr and last are back to back perfect storms IMO. I think real test for AA is handling this years abject adversity at deadline and off season. We know the holes and he will know the allowable spend. Lets see what he can do to right the ship.

[KingKat]

Isn't the Score owned by Rogers?? Having worked for a small "independent" company, that was purchased by a large conglomarate I have a hard time believing the score is independent. Ussually this situation means the Rogers suits watch the score, could crush Stoeten if they wanted to but wouldn't bother filthying themsleves actually interacting with Score employees. They probably hire a consultant to do that.

 

TheScore.com was not purchased by Rogers. Only the television network was purchased by Rogers and they don't even call it The Score anymore, they call it Sportsnet 360. So when people say TheScore.com is independant, they don't mean that they have maintained a level of independance, they mean it is litterally independant i.e. was not included in the sale to Rogers i.e. it is a seperate company that is not owned by Rogers.

[John_Havok]

Is there such a thing as " insufferable positive pusses?"