Reverse Standings Thread

[G-Snarls]

Rockies, Mets and Phillies all won. Phew!

[z3r0s]

and I had it wrong last night when I said we will finish between 6th and 15th. If we win out and the Angels lose out we will have the same record and we would 'win' based on last years record.

 

We will finish between 6th and 14th as of last night.

[z3r0s]

Padres, Mariners, Giants winning.

Mets and Rockies Won.

 

Only bad new today was Philly losing. Our draft range will remain at 6-14 if the above holds up.

[z3r0s]

bad news so far in reverse standings land, at least in terms of the teams 'chasing us' . We'll be pretty much just keeping pace with our closest trailers.

 

However the Brew Crew is winning, and the Rockies are tied with us and idol. That would vault us to 8th spot in a 4 way tie with the Brews, Rockies, and Phillies.

[z3r0s]

Jays draft position currently at 8th with the big Brewers win. Currently tied with MIL and PHI but 'winning' on last years record.

 

Or draft position window has shrunk since yesterday morning and now sits at 6 - 13 with the Padres winning.

 

Magic numbers for a few teams (combination of wins or loses that shrinks our possible draft window)

- Big Giants win yesterday put them at a magic number of 1 (wins by them or loses by us)

- Games before Seattle escapes our possible grasp is now 2

[G-Snarls]

Jays draft position currently at 8th with the big Brewers win. Currently tied with MIL and PHI but 'winning' on last years record.

 

Or draft position window has shrunk since yesterday morning and now sits at 6 - 13 with the Padres winning.

 

Magic numbers for a few teams (combination of wins or loses that shrinks our possible draft window)

- Big Giants win yesterday put them at a magic number of 1 (wins by them or loses by us)

- Games before Seattle escapes our possible grasp is now 2

 

Not bad

 

Good thing we are finishing against Tampa. Rays will almost certainly hang on to a wild card spot, but still have to stay ahead of at least one Texas or Cleveland

[G-Snarls]

Actually it's interesting though because both Indians and Rangers are playing s***** teams to end the season (Twins and Angels)

 

So Tampa really does have to go all out and probably take 2/3 from us to ensure they make it

[z3r0s]

Not bad

 

Good thing we are finishing against Tampa. Rays will almost certainly hang on to a wild card spot, but still have to stay ahead of at least one Texas or Cleveland

 

How 'Blue Jays' would it be to win their first series in forever against Tampa when it doesn't matter (standing wise) and screw ourselves out of a top 10 pick.

[Jays]

How 'Blue Jays' would it be to win their first series in forever against Tampa when it doesn't matter (standing wise) and screw ourselves out of a top 10 pick.

 

and screw my second favorite team out of a playoff spot. It would be sooo 'Blue Jays'

[G-Snarls]

I don't care about Tampa particularly

 

I just want either them or Oakland to destroy the Red Sox in the playoffs

 

I don't want to see those Farrelly Sox in the World Series

[ElNik2013]

AA will probably draft 2 lefty 7-footers out of some junior college or something anyway, so don't get too excited

[G-Snarls]

The Red Sox will win the World Series. You just know it's going to happen.

 

Yeah I kind of do...

[G-Snarls]

AA will probably draft 2 lefty 7-footers out of some junior college or something anyway, so don't get too excited

 

I have an idea. Since the only good farm pieces we have are pitchers, and the high school ones are always high risk, why not draft some position players with hit tools that we know we can actually sign. Is that so crazy?????

[ElNik2013]

I have an idea. Since the only good farm pieces we have are pitchers, and the high school ones are always high risk, why not draft some position players with hit tools that we know we can actually sign. Is that so crazy?????

 

 

Yes, you are. Once a Ninja, always a Ninja!

[G-Snarls]

Yes, you are. Once a Ninja, always a Ninja!

 

Groan. I'm tired of having a farm full of "athletes" who can't hit.

[G-Snarls]

More general: I'm tired of drafting players who don't make a difference for the Blue Jays.

 

What about Snider? Arencibia? Beede? Jenkins?

 

Oh wait, now I see your point...

[Olerud363]

I don't care about Tampa particularly

 

I just want either them or Oakland to destroy the Red Sox in the playoffs

 

I don't want to see those Farrelly Sox in the World Series

 

You probably know my view by now. But I think people misunderstand it and think I am a Farrell fan or a troll.

 

The "whispers" that I hear, keep in mind I live in the North East states and know a couple of people with "vague" family ties to the red sox. Whether they are getting inside information or not I can't verify... but even if they are only hyper-crazy fans that absorb all things red sox they probably pick up good information.

 

This is the whisper... not reality necessarrily but perhaps a grain of truth.

 

John Farrell is a good person. is a great player development guy, believes in on base percentage, great with the pitchers, There were incredible differences between Farrell and the Jays front office. There were crazy differences between Farrell and the hitting coach Murphy, and the players were getting conflicting advice. Overall it was Farrell vs. Blue Jay culture. For whatever reasons the culture is poisonous and backwards and it starts at the highest level (the Beestly level, above that no one knows anything about baseball, Beeston doesn't either but he thinks he does). Farrell had his say, no one listened, he was treated shabbelly and left.. not so much for "dream job" but to work with people who would listen to him."

 

That's the whisper I hear between listening to a lot of non-blue-jay media and people who claim vague inside connections. True or not. Who knows. I'm not an insider, and I have no idea if the whisperers really know what they are talking about.

 

But on the chance it is true I need Beeston and AA and Murphy to see Farrell with the trophy.

 

I am not a Farrell fan, I just see Farrell's success with an moneyball, on base percentage driven team, that is developing a great farm system... I see Farrell with a manager of the year award, and a world series as perhaps an avenue to get messages through to Beeston's incredibly warped head... or at the very least it is something another Rogers guy might see... then ask "Who is Paul Beeston really?? And what exactly does he know about baseball??"

[G-Snarls]

lates claydavenport.com odds for the AL Wildcard contenders:

 

AL Wild-Card

 

Rays 95.4%

Indians 77.6%

Rangers 26.9%

[flafson]

It's pretty clear to me we do an ok job at drafting people but we are terrible at developing and evaluating people.

[Olerud363]

It's pretty clear to me we do an ok job at drafting people but we are terrible at developing and evaluating people.

 

Basically you share the view of John Farrell. If you extend people to include front office personal then

 

Paul Beeston did an amazing job at drafting Alex Anthopolous, an intelligent, progressive, young up and coming baseball executive.

 

Paul Beeston did a terrible job at developing Alex Anthoplous, his underhanded, hyper-political, cruel and stupid techniques shaped Anthopoulos into a frightened characture of his former self.

 

Farrell has to win. It is that type of event that will make some other person at Rogers say "Golly gee, it says here that John Farrell led the red sox to the world series pennant... I wonder if that's the same John Farrell that we used to have??? Couldn't be, Paul said that John Farrell wasn't a team player and would go nowhere... but you know what, I'll check up on that and see if it is the same guy... maybe Paul isn't as keen as we thought".

[DuckDuckGose]

It's pretty clear to me we do an ok job at drafting people but we are terrible at developing and evaluating people.

 

I think it's impossible to isolate drafting from development. Your drafts are only as good as your development and vice versa. I think AA and the Jays have been bad at selecting and developing MLB players. You can say it's one and not the other but the fact remains that there isn't enough talent reaching the majors and contributing.

[Olerud363]

I think it's impossible to isolate drafting from development. Your drafts are only as good as your development and vice versa. I think AA and the Jays have been bad at selecting and developing MLB players. You can say it's one and not the other but the fact remains that there isn't enough talent reaching the majors and contributing.

 

Synd, Desc, Woj, Nocilino, nicely set to launch, four guys quickly to aa or higher... doing well. Good drafting. Good development (by other teams). Bad evaluation by Blue Jays??

 

Time will tell. None have thrown a pitch in the majors. But I'd be pretty comfortable handing one 2014 rotation spot to Max(Synd, Desc, Woj, Nicolino) -- switching between them as performance dictates.

 

Once gave rotation spots to Litsch, Marcum, McGowan... worked out fine I guess until their arms fell off, which happens.

[flafson]

I personally liked Yan Gomes, thought he did well enough to stay as backup catcher and see what we can make out of him. For some reason he is now doing really well as the first catcher in a playoff team... Obviously we missed some signs.

[DuckDuckGose]

Synd, Desc, Woj, Nocilino, nicely set to launch, four guys quickly to aa or higher... doing well. Good drafting. Good development (by other teams). Bad evaluation by Blue Jays??

 

Time will tell. None have thrown a pitch in the majors. But I'd be pretty comfortable handing one 2014 rotation spot to Max(Synd, Desc, Woj, Nicolino) -- switching between them as performance dictates.

 

Once gave rotation spots to Litsch, Marcum, McGowan... worked out fine I guess until their arms fell off, which happens.

 

Those guys were all doing well in the Jays org. Some of them took a step further this year but that doesn't mean they wouldn't have if they were still with the Jays.

[GD]

Synd, Desc, Woj, Nocilino

 

Dat K rate doe

 

And Desc probably doesn't amount to too much either

[ace3113]

I don't know why but I'm suddenly wanting the Jays to draft Beede again. It would be like going full circle with him. I know there's some bad history there but anyone think he would agree to sign the waiver to let us pick him? He'd probably be the best guy on the board if he makes it to 8.

[ElNik2013]

Synd, Desc, Woj, Nocilino, nicely set to launch, four guys quickly to aa or higher... doing well. Good drafting. Good development (by other teams). Bad evaluation by Blue Jays??

 

Time will tell. None have thrown a pitch in the majors. But I'd be pretty comfortable handing one 2014 rotation spot to Max(Synd, Desc, Woj, Nicolino) -- switching between them as performance dictates.

 

Once gave rotation spots to Litsch, Marcum, McGowan... worked out fine I guess until their arms fell off, which happens.

 

 

 

I don't see how this can be true when it comes to these guys. I mean, I get that the Jays haven't developed good players lately, but Syndergaard was dominant in the Blue Jays' system and Nicolino was pretty good. They were considered "the big 3" along with Sanchez for a reason. It's not like they were struggling. They were ranked as the organization's top prospects, same with Marisnick. I chalk it up to not wanting to wait for their top-10 ranked system, maybe top-5, to bear fruits. They just decided they'd scrap their plan of acquiring struggling younger and cheaper players with upside, (Rasmus, Morrow, Escobar), and went for older, more expensive ones with downsides, for some reason.

 

If they had been so bad at evaluating young players over the 1st 2 years of the Ninja's reign, their system wouldn't have risen to the level it did.

[KingKat]

I don't see how this can be true when it comes to these guys. I mean, I get that the Jays haven't developed good players lately, but Syndergaard was dominant in the Blue Jays' system and Nicolino was pretty good. They were considered "the big 3" along with Sanchez for a reason. It's not like they were struggling. They were ranked as the organization's top prospects, same with Marisnick. I chalk it up to not wanting to wait for their top-10 ranked system, maybe top-5, to bear fruits. They just decided they'd scrap their plan of acquiring struggling younger and cheaper players with upside, (Rasmus, Morrow, Escobar), and went for older, more expensive ones with downsides, for some reason.

 

If they had been so bad at evaluating young players over the 1st 2 years of the Ninja's reign, their system wouldn't have risen to the level it did.

 

It doesn't make sense to lump in Woj with these other guys. They moved Woj in a huge package for Happ. That's giving up on a guy. They traded Synd/Desc/Nicolino in packages to land a starting SS and the top 3 of the rotation. That's cashing in your chips. Equally foolish perhaps but they're hardly the same thing.

[admin]

f***ing Jays, probably going to sweep TB and go from 7-8 to 11. Not a huge deal, but still.

Have to admit, I thought for sure they were going on a run and going to end up mid teens.

[GD]

f***ing Jays, probably going to sweep TB and go from 7-8 to 11. Not a huge deal, but still.

 

That's a huge deal.