Jays + Rangers in on Garza

[Abomination]

AA may as well bring ex-Jay (our former Ace) back to TO during the off-season.

 

I'm totally on board with that IF it's done early in the off-season and Halladay is put immediately on the Delabar program (and if the contract isn't stupid).

[8D]

It's interesting that Chris Davis was traded by the Rangers along with Tommy Hunter to the O's for Koji Uehara. This is exactly the sort of trade AA should be looking to make and he has more than one reliever to trade so let's hope he sees that even with a good bullpen, his team sucks.

 

Fun to look back:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14673

 

80-power... mah gawd!!!

[BlueJayWay]

It's interesting that Chris Davis was traded by the Rangers along with Tommy Hunter to the O's for Koji Uehara. This is exactly the sort of trade AA should be looking to make and he has more than one reliever to trade so let's hope he sees that even with a good bullpen, his team sucks.

This is exactly the type of trade I'm hoping the Jays do. Janssen might be our Uehara in this scenario.

[G-Snarls]

Fun to look back:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14673

 

80-power... mah gawd!!!

 

At the plate, Davis has elite-level power potential (80), but the swing has a lot of miss in it, he struggles with pitch recognition, and loads up every swing like he is swinging for his life. It’s a bad approach and exploitable at the higher levels. He could run into 30-plus bombs if he could make enough contact, but the strikeout totals make Rob Deer feel better about himself. Davis is also a player that lives in a very small sample, meaning he lets single at-bats linger in his thoughts, affecting the subsequent adjustments that need to be made as the game (or even at-bat) continue. In simpler terms: Davis is hard on himself and it can affect his performance.

[G-Snarls]

At the plate, Davis has elite-level power potential (80), but the swing has a lot of miss in it, he struggles with pitch recognition, and loads up every swing like he is swinging for his life. It’s a bad approach and exploitable at the higher levels. He could run into 30-plus bombs if he could make enough contact, but the strikeout totals make Rob Deer feel better about himself. Davis is also a player that lives in a very small sample, meaning he lets single at-bats linger in his thoughts, affecting the subsequent adjustments that need to be made as the game (or even at-bat) continue. In simpler terms: Davis is hard on himself and it can affect his performance.

 

I guess he improved his approach, huh?

[8D]

As a tweener type (for now), Davis needs to have as many major-league opportunities as possible to help end the Quad-A debate. If he can shorten his stroke and refine his approach to put himself in better situations to hit, Davis can put up stupid power numbers.

 

I think he's doing this now

[Angrioter]

It's interesting that Chris Davis was traded by the Rangers along with Tommy Hunter to the O's for Koji Uehara. This is exactly the sort of trade AA should be looking to make and he has more than one reliever to trade so let's hope he sees that even with a good bullpen, his team sucks.

 

AA did it first (Rasmus for s***)

[G-Snarls]

AA did it first (Rasmus for s***)

 

Not fair. Dotel and scrabble helped the Cards win the WS.

[Angrioter]

Not fair. Dotel and scrabble helped the Cards win the WS.

 

Dotel and Zep weren't factor in that World Series.

[Angrioter]

Sorry but......................

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[ElNik2013]

AA did it first (Rasmus for s***)

 

 

That's another example. Let's hope he pulls another trade like that one.

[Caper]

Dotel and Zep weren't factor in that World Series.

 

I don't know if they were a factor in the playoffs... but I'm sure they stabilized the bull pen enough to help the cards get there. I'm not even sure if they were in a playoff spot at the time of the trade.

[DuckDuckGose]

I'd like to say that there is a 0% chance of this happening, but AA's trade history won't let me.

 

- Traded young assets for 1/2 a year of Brandon Lyon, when the team had virtually no chance of making the playoffs.

- In the Dickey trade, dealt a heck of a lot for 1 year of control, showing that he'll include extensions (contingent or possible) into his trade calculus.

 

Assuming the Cubs can't get a type A prospect for Garza, in a Wheeler-for-Beltran type of rental raping, then I could see AA sending B pieces for him and trying hard to get an extension done. Because, you know, Garza had a decent ERA for a few years in the AL East back when he was on the other side of his physical prime.

 

Ugh

 

#LOLThisTeam!

 

Cubs have been talking with Garza's reps for awhile now too. If the trade talks heat up AA will at least know exactly what Garza is asking for before he pulls the trigger.

[ElNik2013]

Cubs have been talking with Garza's reps for awhile now too. If the trade talks heat up AA will at least know exactly what Garza is asking for before he pulls the trigger.

 

 

And you think the Cubs would be honest in telling AA how much Garza wants? AA would be setting himself up for getting bent over again if he's involved in trade talks for Garza.

[DuckDuckGose]

And you think the Cubs would be honest in telling AA how much Garza wants? AA would be setting himself up for getting bent over again if he's involved in trade talks for Garza.

 

If the trade hinges on an extension I think he'd absolutely know, if AA is just dealing for a rental then he'll talk to the agent when he lands him.

[Chappy]

And you think the Cubs would be honest in telling AA how much Garza wants? AA would be setting himself up for getting bent over again if he's involved in trade talks for Garza.

 

Sure they would, but chances are they wouldn't even divulge that info. If they did they wouldn't be stupid enough to burn bridges by making s*** up.

[ElNik2013]

If the trade hinges on an extension I think he'd absolutely know, if AA is just dealing for a rental then he'll talk to the agent when he lands him.

 

 

I'd be shocked if AA gets Garza and probably dismayed at what he would have given up to get him. We'll see what happens. AA trades aren't usually rumored a few days before they happen. I hope he trades high on his bullpen pieces and gets a Rasmus type player in return.

[ElNik2013]

Sure they would, but chances are they wouldn't even divulge that info. If they did they wouldn't be stupid enough to burn bridges by making s*** up.

 

 

I shouldn't have said honest at all, I don't think they'd tell him at all, like you say. Anyway, I doubt AA is involved in getting Garza.

[ElNik2013]

Why wouldn't he be? He still believes we can make a playoff push

 

 

If he believes that then he's setting himself up to be bent over again, like I said before. At this point, you go with what you already overpaid for and hope for the best, it makes no sense to give up what little is left of your once highly touted farm system when you're 8-9 games out of a playoff spot, but hey, he's the GM.

[G-Snarls]

Why wouldn't he be? He still believes we can make a playoff push

 

2-3 weeks ago he did.

 

I'm sure he's more realistic now

[The_DH]

I think it's more like they're trying to gauge the market for JJ and leverage off that trade.

[Abomination]

I don't know if they were a factor in the playoffs... but I'm sure they stabilized the bull pen enough to help the cards get there. I'm not even sure if they were in a playoff spot at the time of the trade.

 

If I remember right they were pretty much out of it at the time of the trade, and it took an epic collapse by another team for them to even squeak in.

[jays_fever]

I don't know if they were a factor in the playoffs... but I'm sure they stabilized the bull pen enough to help the cards get there. I'm not even sure if they were in a playoff spot at the time of the trade.

 

They weren't. The braves collapsed as hard as the Sox did that one year. They shouldnt have made the post season

[Angrioter]

Garza Likely To Be Traded This Week

 

12:51pm: Kaplan is hearing that Garza will be moved by Saturday, though the Cubs will still make sure that someone meets their price as opposed to rushing a trade. One AL scout tells Kaplan that the Cubs are in a "phenomenal spot to land a tremendous deal" because Garza has looked so strong of late

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[eastcoastjaysfan]

This could get super ugly, super fast.

[G-Snarls]

This could get super ugly, super fast.

 

Yep

 

I don't know what to hope for

 

Garza with an extension = good, but why would be agree to one for a new team when he won't for the Cubs?

 

Garza with no extension = completely useless for us

 

I'd guess the Rangers or Indians land him TBH. Makes more sense for them.

[Chappy]

Yep

 

I don't know what to hope for

 

Garza with an extension = good, but why would be agree to one for a new team when he won't for the Cubs?

 

Garza with no extension = completely useless for us

 

I'd guess the Rangers or Indians land him TBH. Makes more sense for them.

 

Only way we get him is with an extension and that seems unlikely.

[G-Snarls]

Only way we get him is with an extension and that seems unlikely.

 

Yep

 

Rangers can have the honor of overpaying for him

[z3r0s]

Theo has actually been doing pretty well down in Chicago.

[G-Snarls]

Theo did pretty ok on Boston too.

 

Most moves worked out except for Carl Crawford. And yeah 2 WS.