Adam Lind takes his own shots at Zaun and Hayhurst

[Spoonovic]

“I know Gregg has a World Series ring, but he was a back-up and Dirk has a month in the big leagues and it’s hard for some people to accept the criticism when it comes from someone like Dirk.”

 

“We all get criticized one day or another, but for J.P. it’s been two months.”

 

From http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/grange-on-blue-jays-arencibia-playing-with-fire/

[admin]

God, just shut your mouths already, this is embarrassing.

Yeah it's been two months, because he's been terrible the whole year.

 

Pretty good article. Really threw some stats out there. I think this incident is really opening the eyes of some of the casual fans that thought he was so amazing.

[JFD]

so Lind needs to go now too.. anyone else want to say something stupid?

[Spoonovic]

God, just shut your mouths already, this is embarrassing.

Yeah it's been two months, because he's been terrible the whole year.

 

 

Pretty much. These dumbasses need to shut the f*** up and play baseball. You want the criticism to stop? Play well.

[JFD]

pretty obvious what the players think of this organization saying stuff like this. Most of them probably want out of this gong show.

[fatcowxlive]

“I know Gregg has a World Series ring, but he was a back-up and Dirk has a month in the big leagues and it’s hard for some people to accept the criticism when it comes from someone like Dirk.”

 

“We all get criticized one day or another, but for J.P. it’s been two months.”

 

From http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/grange-on-blue-jays-arencibia-playing-with-fire/

 

lol

 

#Blowup2013 please. Blow everything up except the owners and the coaching staff. Fire everyone else and ship half the team

[havok24]

Is this real life??

 

Adam Lind and JPA Arencibia of all people?

 

A terrible season continues to get more embarrassing. f*** this.

[havok24]

pretty obvious what the players think of this organization saying stuff like this. Most of them probably want out of this gong show.

 

DeRosa and Bonifacio next.

[Chappy]

LOL this is getting ridiculous. They just need to play ball and shut the f*** up. Can't this organization get some control over the players?

[havok24]

LOL this is getting ridiculous. They just need to play ball and shut the f*** up. Can't this organization get some control over the players?

 

This has literally become a soap opera. Is this f***ing Days of our Lives or something? What a f***ing clown show.

[fatcowxlive]

LOL this is getting ridiculous. They just need to play ball and shut the f*** up. Can't this organization get some control over the players?

 

The two that spoke obviously can't do that, so if they can't play ball they won't shut the f*** up

[Buster]

It's a good thing those guys don't come on this forum. Dirk and Zaunie are downright polite relative to how knowledgeable fans feel.

[8D]

LOL this is getting ridiculous. They just need to play ball and shut the f*** up. Can't this organization get some control over the players?

 

I guess as long as this distracts from the horrible play on the field and

current losing streak, they don't mind.

[Tuco]

LOL this is getting ridiculous. They just need to play ball and shut the f*** up. Can't this organization get some control over the players?

 

This is entirely on AA.

He's put together just a awful group of charachters that seem more worried about fancy dance moves and amount of twitter followers then actually winning baseball games. Theres just a blatent lack of professionalism on the team and it seems like this team just shows up whenever they feel like it. This is what you get when you put together a roster full of bad apples or guys who really only care about themselves. The sad part is that you almost get the feeling its actually going to even get worse from here on out.

[guylaroche5]

just shut up and win games, holy f***...

 

also another one of my pet peeves are celebrities that 'brag' about visiting sick kids and s*** like that. like i get it, you do some charity work, you don't have to f***ing announce every god damn time you do it. i swear to god it's gotten to a point where i can't tell if jpa genuinely cares about the kids or if he's just doing it to get a good reputation

[8D]

just shut up and win games, holy f***...

 

also another one of my pet peeves are celebrities that 'brag' about visiting sick kids and s*** like that. like i get it, you do some charity work, you don't have to f***ing announce every god damn time you do it. i swear to god it's gotten to a point where i can't tell if jpa genuinely cares about the kids or if he's just doing it to get a good reputation

 

Agreed. And a lot of times I can't distinguish whether the player has any feelings towards it.

Seems like they just list it like it's off a check list or categorize it as "charity" as long as they spend enough time with sick ppl, poor ppl, or disadvantaged ppl.

Or when they brag on twitter or wherever about how they spent time with a "kid with cancer."

"Hey bros, I just visited kids with cancer and now I feel better about myself. See, I'm a humanitarian too!"

Not entirely directed at JPA, but I swear sometimes that's how it is when I see him mention these things.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

AA knows he has a bunch of mouth breathing egomaniacs on his team.... However, instead of addressing the issue and bringing in talented players with character... he just throws a little vetrin presents at the situation and hopes for the best (DeRosa, Vizquel)

 

It also doesnt help when your supposed "leader" has the worst reputatuon in the bigs among managers and umps for being a massive whiny pussy.

[Flashman]

One of the most revealing things to come of all this is learning that analysts and commentators are expected to show themselves in the dressing room after criticising players. Something to do with 'integrity'. Something to bear in mind any time one accuses such people of being 'corporate homers'; it's more likely they don't want to face the players.

 

Considering this, it also makes more sense as to why Wilner supposedly cojone'd-up to criticise Cito: because he was being briefed off-the-record by the players that they had no time for him. Sycophantic actions. I never bought into the idea that Wilner was some rebel who had been silenced by The Man, but there was always a hole in the narrative. Now it all makes sense to me.

 

What. A. Shitshow.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Like what are Zaun and Hayhurst supposed to say?

 

JPA is having a good year? Are they just supposed to lie to their viewers? These guys are more insecure than teenage girls. Jesus...

[Flashman]

Like what are Zaun and Hayhurst supposed to say?

 

JPA is having a good year? Are they just supposed to lie to their viewers? These guys are more insecure than teenage girls. Jesus...

 

They ARE supposed to lie to their viewers. That's the whole point. I have listened to countless TV, radio and podcast broadcasts, but I do not ever recall hearing that critical analysts/pundits are supposed to face the players in the changing rooms. To me, that is shocking and borders on censorship.

 

This whole thing has been a clusterf***, but I'm really glad that it happened. It's been a real eye-opener. Now I understand why so many broadcasters act as nothing more than apologists for poor baseball.

[Tuco]

They ARE supposed to lie to their viewers. That's the whole point. I have listened to countless TV, radio and podcast broadcasts, but I do not ever recall hearing that critical analysts/pundits are supposed to face the players in the changing rooms. To me, that is shocking and borders on censorship.

 

This whole thing has been a clusterf***, but I'm really glad that it happened. It's been a real eye-opener. Now I understand why so many broadcasters act as nothing more than apologists for poor baseball.

 

These past 2 seasons have been a crash course that things like Charachter, professionalism and hard work really matter in pro sports. It prolly even matters more in a sport like baseball where you have to spend basically everyday of the week with these players. If this was a video game and the overall team was ranked on categories like Talent, upside they'd fare well but they would rank at the absolute bottom if there was a category classified as "intangibles". Man you just watch teams like STL or DET and they just go about their business. No shennigans. No dancing and silly celebrating. No constant off the field problems. I remember my uncle once telling me (who runs his how company) that he would rather a bunch of hard working consistant workers over more talented but lazy ones. We basically have a high maintenance roster. A tons of guys who "if everything goes right" could be stars. We just dont have enough solid day in day out PROS. I cant recall watching a pro sports team that seemed so immature and selfish but whats more worrisome is it doesnt even look like management thinks its a issue and they just allow this behavior to continue without anyone laying down the hammer.

 

I think it all starts with AA. He just doesnt seem cutout to be a lead dog. His inability to put together a consistant functioning team after this many years is hard to believe.

[G-Snarls]

LOL:

 

"But add it all up and Arencibia is really good at hitting home runs – his 15 round-trippers leads all MLB catchers – and really good at talking, be it on radio, in person or via Twitter. But otherwise there is room for improvement."

[G-Snarls]

Like what are Zaun and Hayhurst supposed to say?

 

JPA is having a good year? Are they just supposed to lie to their viewers? These guys are more insecure than teenage girls. Jesus...

 

They should have just quoted his RBI's compared to other American League catchers.

[Tuco]

I don't understand why people keep bringing up how Zaun and Hayhurst were as players. That is totally irrelevant, being good or bad as a player has no bearing on if you can criticize or know someone is playing poorly as an analyst. Are they dumb players?

 

Half this roster comes across as soft, thin skinned whiners.

 

This is a professional sports team that is having PMS because some of the tv analysts talked badly about there very underwhelming performances?

 

They need to start acting like adults and not teenage highschoolers.

[Flashman]

I don't understand why people keep bringing up how Zaun and Hayhurst were as players. That is totally irrelevant, being good or bad as a player has no bearing on if you can criticize or know someone is playing poorly as an analyst. Are they dumb players?

 

What has become clear in the last 24 hours is that most players across baseball will be like this.

 

Why?

 

Because of the ******** unwritten rules for the media.

 

This revelation that critics are expected to go to the clubhouse to face those they criticised is censorship through intimidation. I don't think the players are dumb -- they must know they are playing poorly to have such defensive reactions.

[bendera3]

Like what are Zaun and Hayhurst supposed to say?

 

JPA is having a good year? Are they just supposed to lie to their viewers? These guys are more insecure than teenage girls. Jesus...

 

Yes. Lie. Lie big. JPA has been one of the best catchers in the league for the few years he's been in the bigs. Lind has been one of the top 1st basemen in the American League since 2006.

 

I understand that nobody likes to be criticized but if they didn't want to be in the spot light they should just retire from playing and start coaching or something. Or analyzing I'd be interested on what they would say about a catcher who can't hit or provide decent defense or a first baseman who has underperformed much of his career. I'm going to guess that they'd say the same thing has Zaun and Hayhurst.

[wilko]

Lind goes on a hot streak and builds up enough courage to bad mouth Zaun/Hayhurst. The guy's been borderline DFA the past few seasons.J PA going off again to the media digging a deeper hole for himself. Asked if he regrets bringing up the PED use because he has someone on his team that was suspended for it. "No, and I talked to him soon as I saw him. And there was no intent on him and he completely understood my point." Basically saying you're taking a shot at Zaun, but not Melky?

[TheHurl]

This ******** you have to have played the game to know the game is f***ing embarrassing. You've got a manager that has 57 MLB PA's, a hitting coach that had no more than a cup of coffee in the bigs. You've got a GM that never played a professional game. These kinds of statements are undermining each of these people's ability to analyse baseball you f***ing idiot!

 

And people think this board is bad on people that have differing opinions.

[bendera3]

Yeah there really isn't a 'point' there. He said he doesn't respect anyone who takes PEDs. Melky took PEDs. He's okay with Melky. Doesn't make any sense.

 

Melky doesn't need his respect. He's a better player.

[KSaw]

“I know Gregg has a World Series ring, but he was a back-up and Dirk has a month in the big leagues and it’s hard for some people to accept the criticism when it comes from someone like Dirk.”

 

“We all get criticized one day or another, but for J.P. it’s been two months.”

 

From http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/grange-on-blue-jays-arencibia-playing-with-fire/

 

Going on this kind of logic, Billy Beane, John Gibbons, Sparky Anderson and on and on know nothing about baseball and should have never/ should never critisize current players. It's pretty idiotic to judge knowledge by how well someone played. Many, many great managers, coaches, scouts and analysts have been failed players. Natural physical gifts and knowledge are not the same. I'd even expect that less gifted players had to work harder, learn more and experience more finite coaching during their playing days and would be better judges of what's what on a ball field.

 

There's a reason Ricky Henderson is not a coach or a TV analyst. I suppose that he should be by JPA and Lind logic.