Blue Jays: 2013 MLB Draft Signing thread

[Deadpool]

The draft was bad for Toronto no matter what happens with Bickford.... they hardly drafted any plus baseball names.

 

Rowdy Telez was the best name in the draft, bro.

[tercet]

The entire draft honestly could be a fireable offense for some scouting people or a GM..

 

You basically punt / draft guys that will sign cheaper rounds 2-10 to save money to spend it else-wise. Their is a good chance that they Jays wont spend that extra money(assuming Bickford, Brentz, and Tellez) don't sign.

 

The Jays draft strategy might backfire on them, and the results (from a month after the draft) are looking very bad.

[IronLadle]

I don't have complete memory of the draft, but, was there no good bats that we could have picked 10th overall?

 

Not really, DJ Petersen was probably the best college bat available and Shipley was probably the best college arm.

[Angrioter]

[IronLadle]

You might be too young to remember, but back in the Ricciardi era the Jays were notorious for drafting 'safe' college pitchers over higher risk high schooler's..... to much complaint from baseball forum geeks

 

Syndergaard looks to be the best pitcher drafted by the Jays in the past decade

 

Syndergaard, Sanchez and Nicolino in one draft, now if only AA would stop trading them away.

[Abomination]

I know, it's still fairly early. But you can't say he's done a good job based on the results we've seen so far.

 

You also can't say he's done a bad job either. 5 years from now we'll have a MUCH better idea.

[IronLadle]

I know, it's still fairly early. But you can't say he's done a good job based on the results we've seen so far.

 

The Jays farm system ranked as one of the best before the trades.

[ReturnOfTheYeti]

The entire draft honestly could be a fireable offense for some scouting people or a GM..

 

You basically punt / draft guys that will sign cheaper rounds 2-10 to save money to spend it else-wise. Their is a good chance that they Jays wont spend that extra money(assuming Bickford, Brentz, and Tellez) don't sign.

 

The Jays draft strategy might backfire on them, and the results (from a month after the draft) are looking very bad.

 

Maybe we should like wait and see what the deadline brings before making a judgment eh? Who knows who they will sign - if anyone. No sense getting into a tizzy yet.

[8D]

Fire anybody before they can even sign the last remaining guys? WTF

It takes like four to five years for these guys to even develop!

[theblujay]

This pick never really made sense to me because we were over drafting someone who wanted above slot. Whatever, next year the pick won't be protected so maybe we'll get a college player.

[HERPDERP]

The Jays farm system ranked as one of the best before the trades.

 

People like to conveniently forget he brought a bottom 5 system to a top 5 in a few years.

 

but f*** AA, cause that's the fashionable circlejerk here!

[imsorry4beatinU]

I know, it's still fairly early. But you can't say he's done a good job based on the results we've seen so far.

 

Without those trades in the Offseason. We would be one of the top farm system in the League!

[8D]

I prefer Brentz to Bickford right now.

I won't fret too much about Bickford unless he pulls a Beede and becomes a

top 3 pick when he's draft eligible again. I hope the Jays sign Brentz and Tellez.

Stroman>Beede?

[Deadpool]

Stroman>Beede?

 

Well, Stroman could be in the MLB this year providing value... Beede might still be 4 or 5 years away before he even starts contributing.

[8D]

Well, Stroman could be in the MLB this year providing value... Beede might still be 4 or 5 years away before he even starts contributing.

 

That's gonna be a fun one to watch.

Down the line I could also see a possibility that Stroman stays in the BP,

while Beede starts coming into his own at the MLB level.

[imsorry4beatinU]

I prefer Brentz to Bickford right now.

I won't fret too much about Bickford unless he pulls a Beede and becomes a

top 3 pick when he's draft eligible again. I hope the Jays sign Brentz and Tellez.

Stroman>Beede?

 

Anything could happen in one year and he could fall out of the top 10

[HERPDERP]

This is also his fourth full season. As some point you have to develop players and win at the Major League level.

 

Of course. But you gotta be reasonable here. As some1 mentioned earlier it takes a few years, even more when it's a high schooler. And then you have all the prospects that get traded away.

 

You can't possibly expect every draft to be 100% perfect with 100% of players drafted panned out.

[Flashman]

People like to conveniently forget he brought a bottom 5 system to a top 5 in a few years.

 

I don't think anybody forgets that. But there are three top-of-the-head responses:

 

1. the Halladay trade (and its aftermath) went a long way towards establishing that, with D'Arnaud and Gose consistently near the top of the list. That had little to do with drafting and scouting.

 

2. AA had a lot of decent picks over the years thanks to the supplementals. It would have been a profound failure not to significantly boost the farm with so many high selections.

 

3. it doesn't detract from individual criticisms which must be debated on their own merits, e.g. the McGuire and Beede picks, not signing Bryant and Paxton, the 'middling' strategy which didn't result in any top 3 picks despite non-contention, and so on.

[Deadpool]

I don't think anybody forgets that. But there are three top-of-the-head responses:

 

1. the Halladay trade (and its aftermath) went a long way towards establishing that, with D'Arnaud and Gose consistently near the top of the list. That had little to do with drafting and scouting.

 

2. AA had a lot of decent picks over the years thanks to the supplementals. It would have been a profound failure not to significantly boost the farm with so many high selections.

 

3. it doesn't detract from individual criticisms which must be debated on their own merits, e.g. the McGuire and Beede picks, not signing Bryant and Paxton, the 'middling' strategy which didn't result in any top 3 picks despite non-contention, and so on.

 

Two minor things...

 

1) You do have to do some scouting to know which players you want from other teams' systems, and Gose was also not the initial player, he the result of 2 additional trades from that deal.

2) No way Bryant was signing, that just wasn't going to happen no matter what.

[HERPDERP]

I don't think anybody forgets that. But there are three top-of-the-head responses:

 

1. the Halladay trade (and its aftermath) went a long way towards establishing that, with D'Arnaud and Gose consistently near the top of the list. That had little to do with drafting and scouting.

 

2. AA had a lot of decent picks over the years thanks to the supplementals. It would have been a profound failure not to significantly boost the farm with so many high selections.

 

3. it doesn't detract from individual criticisms which must be debated on their own merits, e.g. the McGuire and Beede picks, not signing Bryant and Paxton, the 'middling' strategy which didn't result in any top 3 picks despite non-contention, and so on.

 

The consensus on this forum (technically the old Blue jay forum) before the start of the season was that AA was a great, savvy GM. He exploited the system and other teams.

 

And of course, after a disaster of a season that can only get worse, he's the worst GM in the league.

 

People are just bandwagoning on him as if he's the flavor of the month.

[Flashman]

Two minor things...

 

1) You do have to do some scouting to know which players you want from other teams' systems, and Gose was also not the initial player, he the result of 2 additional trades from that deal.

 

Yeah, that's why I said 'and the aftermath' (implying the Taylor-Wallace-Gose cycle). We know that AA wanted Gose as part of the original deal, so I think it's simpler to see it as one package. But I would argue against the real impact of scouting at that point; usually the prospects have been in the system for a while, had big league coaching, and most of the scouting books out there form a general consensus around the top two or three prospects. I don't mean to minimise it to nothing, but I think it'd be a bit much to give the scouts a pat on the back for recommending Drabek and D'Arnaud.

 

2) No way Bryant was signing, that just wasn't going to happen no matter what.

 

There's the rub. Offer a stupid amount of money or don't draft the fella.

[Flashman]

The consensus on this forum (technically the old Blue jay forum) before the start of the season was that AA was a great, savvy GM. He exploited the system and other teams.

 

Too sweeping. I was never part of that consensus. I'm sure others weren't, either.

 

And of course, after a disaster of a season that can only get worse, he's the worst GM in the league.

 

I think that's an exaggeration.

 

People are just bandwagoning on him as if he's the flavor of the month.

 

Again, sweeping. The season has gone badly so far, and perhaps it has prompted a lot of fans to ask why that is the case, and to re-evaluate their previous beliefs. There's nothing wrong with that, so long as it is considered.

[G-Snarls]

The consensus on this forum (technically the old Blue jay forum) before the start of the season was that AA was a great, savvy GM. He exploited the system and other teams.

 

And of course, after a disaster of a season that can only get worse, he's the worst GM in the league.

 

People are just bandwagoning on him as if he's the flavor of the month.

 

He is neither the best nor the worst GM in the league. Reasonable people know that.

[Deadpool]

Yeah, that's why I said 'and the aftermath' (implying the Taylor-Wallace-Gose cycle). We know that AA wanted Gose as part of the original deal, so I think it's simpler to see it as one package. But I would argue against the real impact of scouting at that point; usually the prospects have been in the system for a while, had big league coaching, and most of the scouting books out there form a general consensus around the top two or three prospects. I don't mean to minimise it to nothing, but I think it'd be a bit much to give the scouts a pat on the back for recommending Drabek and D'Arnaud.

 

Fair.

 

There's the rub. Offer a stupid amount of money or don't draft the fella.

 

18th round, I'm willing to take a chance that he's bluffing on his college commitment in the 18th round.

[KingKat]

Some were saying Chris Sale but some were also saying Josh Sale. It's hindsight 20/20

 

Josh Sale is a jerk and he's certainly no Chris Sale but I'd still trade Deck for him.

[ace3113]

What a piece of s*** draft strategy. Should have just taken Shipley.

 

Exactly. Simply retarded from the get go. Shipley's upside is as a number 2 starter (worst case number 3/4), and he'll be ready within a year-and-a-half to two years. Bickford could be a number 1 starter or a reliever (depending on how his secondaries come along) but it will take at least 4-5 years to find out which. Look how well Stroman's doing and Shipleys stuff is at least as good as Stroman's. I realize next year's draft is very good, but our strategy in this draft was just idiotic. I'm reasonably certain that half the members of this board could have conducted a better draft than Brian Parker did. I'm hoping we don't get any of Brentz, Bickford, or Tellez to sign, so that this front office looks even more like the clown show that they've been this year. Clear these bums out!

 

Money quote here from our "brilliant" scouting director, Brian Parker, about Bickford.

 

“I talked to him briefly this spring when I was out seeing him.

 

Gee, you'd think you would want to talk to your potential first round pick more than "briefly" moron. lol

[Chappy]

Possibly 3 first rounders next year in a deeper draft is pretty darn good. Who gives a f*** about Bickford.

[ace3113]

A recent-ish article on Rowdy Tellez from PG:

 

http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=8724

 

'A blessing' for Gatewood and Tellez

Sam Brazenas

 

Published: Saturday, June 29, 2013

 

Tellez, another great prospect for the Show, hit a 400-foot homerun in Friday’s game against the East Cobb Padres 17u. He also won the Rawlings Home Run Challenge at the 2012 National Showcase in Minneapolis.

 

“That was crazy,” said Tellez about winning the home run derby, “That was awesome because you hit it up in the Metrodome.

 

 

 

2012 PG All-American Rowdy Tellez hit a 400-foot home run on Friday.

 

“A lot of people had hype around Clint (Frazier), and I ended up beating Clint in the championship. We ended up being teammates here last year for the summer team and we’d just have our own homerun derby in the games,” explained Tellez. “It was a blast, it was a cool experience.”

 

Tellez is a big boy, towering at 6-foot-5 and weighing 220-pounds.

 

“He’s a big body guy,” said Cain about Tellez, “He kind of reminds me of Hoss Cartwright from Bonanza back in the day. He’s just a big strong, country-fried kid.

 

“I think at times people think he’s got this hard core, (but deep down inside he just wants to play baseball. (He’s) a lot of fun to be around.”

 

Tellez is from Elk Grove, California and graduated this past year from Elk Grove High School. He played first base and right field on the Elk Grove baseball team.

 

“We won sections, (which) in California (is) the best you can do,” explained Tellez, “I had a good year, I would say.”

 

Tellez was recognized as a first team All-American in 2012 and was also selected to participate in the Perfect Game All-American Classic, where his two-run triple propelled his West team to a 7-6 victory over the East. He was also recognized this year as a first team Rawlings Preseason All-American.

 

“That was awesome,” said Tellez about being a PG All-American in 2012. “The fans were coming (from) everywhere. It gives you the big league experience and you get to be around some of the best players in the country; guys who got drafted in the first round. It was just a blessing.”

 

Tellez is also committed to play at USC along with Gatewood. He was drafted by the Blue Jays in the 30th round and has not made a decision on whether or not he should go pro or go to college. He said he’s “just waiting until the end of summer to see what happens.”

[Caper]

can we stop with this s***? Why can't we draft more Stromans? Every pitcher is from High School, and they aren't panning out!

 

Noah Syndergaard. Drafted out of High school........ panning out.

Aaron Sanchez. Drafted out of High school............. panning out.

Justin Nicolino drafted out of high school............... panning out.

 

Tyler Beede. Though not signed, looks to be a top round selection next year.

 

If there is one thing I wouldn't stop... it's drafting high school guys.

[Laika]

Possibly 3 first rounders next year in a deeper draft is pretty darn good. Who gives a f*** about Bickford.

 

It's entirely possible that they just looked at the two draft classes and decided that they'd prefer the 11th pick next year.

 

I wouldn't really give them that much credit though. Who knows.

 

11 + 20ish + supplemental for JJ = neato!

 

Although at this point, JJ might just accept a qualifying offer. And the Jays would probably just overdraft 3 high school arms with those picks anyway.