Can Dickey Blame the Offense Again?

[havok24]

I assure you there is. All mens teams that wear sliding shorts and give signals.

 

I wish I was making this up.

 

lol

[Nox]

That can't be real. What the f***?

 

It's a brave new world out there my friend. One I don't pretend to understand most of the time.

[GD]

It's a brave new world out there my friend. One I don't pretend to understand most of the time.

 

Things like that is why I hate people.

[Captain Adama]

man syndergaard is going to be a stud pitcher. f***ing hell.

 

i told you all! And people were saying he'd just be a bullpen arm!

[havok24]

i told you all! And people were saying he'd just be a bullpen arm!

 

How are you coping with the loss?

[mitchf]

i told you all! And people were saying he'd just be a bullpen arm!

?? No they weren't.

[Captain Adama]

How are you coping with the loss?

 

I taped a picture of AA to my dartboard.

 

Plus, random bouts of crying, it's made for someone pretty awkward dates.

[Captain Adama]

?? No they weren't.

 

Uhhh, yeah, they did, if I cared enough, I could dig up some quotes of Keith Law and Kevin Goldstein saying in their writeups that scouts saw him as a potential/likely bullpen arm. People seem to criminally underrate his changeup and his new slider looked really good, especially in the new videos of him pitching for St. Lucie.

[crrr]

Uhhh, yeah, they did, if I cared enough, I could dig up some quotes of Keith Law and Kevin Goldstein saying in their writeups that scouts saw him as a potential/likely bullpen arm. People seem to criminally underrate his changeup and his new slider looked really good, especially in the new videos of him pitching for St. Lucie.

 

To be fair, he's still pitching in A-ball, long time until we see how that stuff matches up vs the top tier guys

[Nox]

To be fair, he's still pitching in A-ball, long time until we see how that stuff matches up vs the top tier guys

 

There's also a very real chance he tears a labrun/rotator cuff/UCL and doesn't live up to current projections because of health alone.

[GD]

There's also a very real chance he tears a labrun/rotator cuff/UCL and doesn't live up to current projections because of health alone.

 

You could say that about any prospect, and maybe this is willful ignorance, but I don't see why he's more likely to suffer a devastating injury than any other pitching prospect. His delivery doesn't seem too f***ed up.

[crrr]

You could say that about any prospect, and maybe this is willful ignorance, but I don't see why he's more likely to suffer a devastating injury than any other pitching prospect. His delivery doesn't seem too f***ed up.

 

 

I think his main point is that you can say that about any prospect...

[crrr]

I'm not really trying to evaluate whether it was a good trade or not, I just think people around here over value the return on prospects, especially guys still IN A ball.

 

As it stands right now, if Dickey were having a half decent season this would be looking pretty good

[Nox]

You could say that about any prospect, and maybe this is willful ignorance, but I don't see why he's more likely to suffer a devastating injury than any other pitching prospect. His delivery doesn't seem too f***ed up.

 

Yah I didn't mean that he's more injury prone than any other pitching prospect. Just that he IS a pitching prospect and he has to dodge alot of health stuff in the next 5 years before he REALLY makes us all want to weep openly in public SirBJay style.

[Nox]

As it stands right now, if Dickey were having a half decent season this would be looking pretty good

 

And if d'Arnaud didn't get hurt and came up with a league average bat with good defence it would be looking like an even more thorough disaster. Again, that line of thinking works both ways.

[GD]

Yah I didn't mean that he's more injury prone than any other pitching prospect. Just that he IS a pitching prospect and he has to dodge alot of health stuff in the next 5 years before he REALLY makes us all want to weep openly in public SirBJay style.

 

Ah, then I'd agree. Although knowing this org's luck he'll probably never make a DL trip in his Mets career, which will last 20 years and involve 300 wins, 2000 Ks, and multiple dates wrecked from openly weeping, lol.

[Nox]

Ah, then I'd agree. Although knowing this org's luck he'll probably never make a DL trip in his Mets career, which will last 20 years and involve 300 wins, 2000 Ks, and multiple dates wrecked from openly weeping, lol.

 

Ha. A fully developed, healthy Synd joining Harvey, Wheeler, Niese and 1 FA stud to form a juggernaut rotation is in play. God help us.

[GD]

Ha. A fully developed, healthy Synd joining Harvey, Wheeler, Niese and 1 FA stud to form a juggernaut rotation is in play. God help us.

 

They don't even need an FA stud. It's very possible that all three of those guys could put up 4 WAR seasons simultaneously. And they have some solid guys like Domingo Tapia and Rafael Montero and Luis Mateo who could also form very nice pitchers. That's just horrifying.

[baseballsss]

No; it was in his post-game interview. The Toronto Star had it. Unless you are saying The Star is the troll.

 

Just want to clear this up. If you got this info off the old board it was a troll that made that thread and made up a quote from dickey saying it was from the star. if you cannot provide a link then it never happened.

[GD]

This was 100% a fallacy from a troll.

[CHRIS]

Although knowing this org's luck he'll probably never make a DL trip in his Mets career, which will last 20 years and involve 300 wins, 2000 Ks, and multiple dates wrecked from openly weeping, lol.

 

Well, it seems like the only repeatable skill this org has is to have prospects turn to crap once they're traded. Fingers crossed!

[GD]

Well, it seems like the only repeatable skill this org has is to have prospects turn to crap once they're traded. Fingers crossed!

 

Let's hope Syndergaard goes Zack Stewart or Brett Wallace and not Jeff Kent or Michael Young.

[IronLadle]

I'm not really trying to evaluate whether it was a good trade or not, I just think people around here over value the return on prospects, especially guys still IN A ball.

 

As it stands right now, if Dickey were having a half decent season this would be looking pretty good

 

Trading for Dickey before the season, without any understanding of how good or bad we were was a mistake. AA needed to assess the Jays potential before shipping off two of our best prospects.

[Captain Adama]

Trading for Dickey before the season, without any understanding of how good or bad we were was a mistake. AA needed to assess the Jays potential before shipping off two of our best prospects.

 

Unfortunately he did assess, but it was a terrible one, if he really wanted to trade our top 2 prospects away, they should've actually got someone younger and a better chance of staying with the org longer.

[Laika]

Unfortunately he did assess, but it was a terrible one, if he really wanted to trade our top 2 prospects away, they should've actually got someone younger and a better chance of staying with the org longer.

 

Without crunching the numbers, d'Arnaud+Syndergaard seems like more value than what they got for Halladay.

[Laika]

A top 50 pitching prospect...?

What portion of top 50 pitching prospects pitch 300 innings in the MLB?

 

I don't know. A small portion. But the ones that do tend to be pretty f***ing good. The lottery ticket has value.

 

d'Arnaud was the meat and potatoes of it anyway. Syndergaard was just a really nice looking side dish. He's grilled Zucchini.

[IronLadle]

Unfortunately he did assess, but it was a terrible one, if he really wanted to trade our top 2 prospects away, they should've actually got someone younger and a better chance of staying with the org longer.

 

An assessment before the season has started is just a guess.

[Captain Adama]

Without crunching the numbers, d'Arnaud+Syndergaard seems like more value than what they got for Halladay.

 

Value relative to the pitcher they gave up? Or just prospect value?

[Laika]

Value relative to the pitcher they gave up? Or just prospect value?

 

Just the value of the prospect package, in context.

 

i.e. the Jays paid more for old man Dickey than the Phillies paid for a *basically* prime Halladay.

 

I'm probably wrong though. I have no idea how highly regarded Taylor was.

[IronLadle]

Without crunching the numbers, d'Arnaud+Syndergaard seems like more value than what they got for Halladay.

 

Drabek was the centrepiece and was ranked 25th place on Baseball America's prospect rankings.