eastcoastjaysfan Old-Timey Member Posted June 17, 2013 Author Posted June 17, 2013 Gump currently 5th in the AL for qualified CF at 1.9 WAR (ahead of Adam Jones)... On pace for 4.5-5 WAR The right play is to dump Melky to release the Gose. Gump is starting to look like the real deal.
HERPDERP Old-Timey Member Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 With Gose' struggles in the minors (though he didn't seem to be overpowered in his short call-up) I'm content with holding on Rasmus. He seems to have really cut down on his strike outs. CM is magic.
KSaw Verified Member Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 Gose isn't going to spend his first full season in the Majors as a starter. He's going to take over the Rajai Davis role in 2014 after Davis becomes a free agent.
eastcoastjaysfan Old-Timey Member Posted June 17, 2013 Author Posted June 17, 2013 With Gose' struggles in the minors (though he didn't seem to be overpowered in his short call-up) I'm content with holding on Rasmus. He seems to have really cut down on his strike outs. CM is magic. The defense would be a massive upgrade down the stretch. Melky's bat isn't good enough to justify the horrendous D.
KSaw Verified Member Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 The defense would be a massive upgrade down the stretch. Melky's bat isn't good enough to justify the horrendous D. Just a thought-- not saying its the best idea in the world but wondering if we might see this... - EE at 3b (with his surprising defense in limited innings there this year) - Davis/ Gose platoon in LF - Melky at DH - Lawrie to 2b when he returns, if EE is playing well in the field
Abomination Old-Timey Member Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 Just a thought-- not saying its the best idea in the world but wondering if we might see this... - EE at 3b (with his surprising defense in limited innings there this year) - Davis/ Gose platoon in LF - Melky at DH - Lawrie to 2b when he returns, if EE is playing well in the field It seems like EE has always had a pretty good glove at 3rd, it's just the throws that mess him up. I don't think it's a solution for the entire year, but if we could do something like this for a month or so it might help get Melky's legs back on track. That would take us to the point when trades are a more realistic possibility.
jays_fever Old-Timey Member Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 It seems like EE has always had a pretty good glove at 3rd, it's just the throws that mess him up. I don't think it's a solution for the entire year, but if we could do something like this for a month or so it might help get Melky's legs back on track. That would take us to the point when trades are a more realistic possibility. In the past EE should have never played third, but now we literally dont have any other good options out there. Izzy and Derosa cant field or hit. Even if Edwin throws balls over Linds head, he's still probably a better defender than Izzy over there. It also allows us to take the plague that is Melky out of the outfield and put in Gose
Abomination Old-Timey Member Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 In the past EE should have never played third, but now we literally dont have any other good options out there. Izzy and Derosa cant field or hit. Even if Edwin throws balls over Linds head, he's still probably a better defender than Izzy over there. It also allows us to take the plague that is Melky out of the outfield and put in Gose Normally I wouldn't be as concerned about the defense (especially in LF), but Melky is moving so poorly atm that putting Gose out there might literally save a hit a game.
eastcoastjaysfan Old-Timey Member Posted June 17, 2013 Author Posted June 17, 2013 Just a thought-- not saying its the best idea in the world but wondering if we might see this... - EE at 3b (with his surprising defense in limited innings there this year) - Davis/ Gose platoon in LF - Melky at DH - Lawrie to 2b when he returns, if EE is playing well in the field Intriguing but unlikely. Too many people shifting positions mid-season.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted June 17, 2013 Posted June 17, 2013 Rasmus is now tied for 10th in CF fWAR with 1.7. I'm preparing a trip to the Cardinals board if this holds. Boxy's mom is making pizza bagels. How many do you think we can get to join our board? I'll happily direct them here to let them know where we are.
DH12 Verified Member Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 Gose has a lot better arm in the field and better speed. Needs to improve his hitting but that will come.
eastcoastjaysfan Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Author Posted June 20, 2013 Gump keeping the party going.... .881 OPS in June with 7 XBH .875 against RHP this year. With a stricter platoon using Rajai against tough LHP.... there is no reason to think Colby can't OPS above .800 this year. Currently on pace for 4.5-5 WAR CFOTF
saskjayfan Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Gose has a lot better arm in the field and better speed. Needs to improve his hitting but that will come. That last component out of the three is the most important.....I don't think gose will ever be a good hitter. I wasn't sure about Rasmus, but his at bats have been so much better lately. He is being more selective and taking the odd walk.
sachmo55 Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Gump keeping the party going.... .881 OPS in June with 7 XBH .875 against RHP this year. With a stricter platoon using Rajai against tough LHP.... there is no reason to think Colby can't OPS above .800 this year. Currently on pace for 4.5-5 WAR CFOTF Career 1st half: 814 OPS Career 2nd half: 615 OPS Lets hope he can finally buck that trend
KSaw Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 And a career of reminding scouts of Daryl Strawberry and/ or Lloyd Moseby but just not quite there. So much talent! Would love to see him put it all together.
Smokey Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Career 1st half: 814 OPS Career 2nd half: 615 OPS Lets hope he can finally buck that trend I've heard him say in the past that a lot of his struggles in the 2nd half were due to overtraining. I remember at times his swing was so flat and lifeless and that could definitely be a possibility. I just hope it's not more of a mental thing like most Cards fans suggest, cause those would be harder to overcome IMO.
HERPDERP Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Colby talks about himself and the work he's doing with Motor (Chad Mottola) http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/davidi-rasmus-learning-to-deal-with-failure/
eastcoastjaysfan Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Author Posted June 20, 2013 I've heard him say in the past that a lot of his struggles in the 2nd half were due to overtraining. I remember at times his swing was so flat and lifeless and that could definitely be a possibility. I just hope it's not more of a mental thing like most Cards fans suggest, cause those would be harder to overcome IMO. He's such a great athlete. That run from 2nd to 3rd last night (where he might've had a chance to tag up from 2nd and score on the deep fly to the LF gap) showed his freakish athleticism. Country strong.
eastcoastjaysfan Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Author Posted June 20, 2013 Contact rates haven risen steadily... Went from being dead last by a mile to only 10th worst in the bigs! He's pretty much at his career norms for everything.... LD% FB/GB... BB%.... He's just striking out more and hitting for a ton more power. FG also has him as their 8th best defensive CF this year He's a keeper
Stangstag Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Contact rates haven risen steadily... Went from being dead last by a mile to only 10th worst in the bigs! He's pretty much at his career norms for everything.... LD% FB/GB... BB%.... He's just striking out more and hitting for a ton more power. FG also has him as their 8th best defensive CF this year He's a keeper What about moving him to LF and having Gose in CF? Do you think that would give us a strong enough outfield?
Smokey Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 What about moving him to LF and having Gose in CF? Do you think that would give us a strong enough outfield? I don't like that idea in terms of asset management. The only real way I see both Rasmus and Gose in the outfield is if AA somehow manages to get a huge haul for Bautista - preferably a legit SP - but I doubt it will happen.
LGBJ29 Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 I hate when people on here shoot down Colby, from the SN article: "Rasmus ranked second among all big-league centre-fielders with 13 homers, third with 36 RBIs, fifth with a slugging percentage of .474, eighth with an OPS of .793, and eighth with a Wins Above Replacement of 1.9. For more than two-thirds of baseball Rasmus is an upgrade, yet people look at him and keep expecting more." apparently being a top 8 CF in the MLB isnt good enough for this board though
admin Site Manager Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 He's such a great athlete. That run from 2nd to 3rd last night (where he might've had a chance to tag up from 2nd and score on the deep fly to the LF gap) showed his freakish athleticism. Country strong. Probably the smartest base runner on the team. That was one of a few times over the last couple weeks I noticed him on the base paths. You could tell he had his mind set to go home.
LGBJ29 Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Probably the smartest base runner on the team. That was one of a few times over the last couple weeks I noticed him on the base paths. You could tell he had his mind set to go home. last series he was phenomenal on the base paths. The jump he had on Izzy's 2 run single was huge, and last night to be able to go 1st to 3rd on LeMahieu's error lead to our 4th run
DwightDM Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 The catch he made in the 9th last night in the gap, he made look very easy, but that was hit deep. He looked like a f***ing gazelle tracking it down.
Captain Adama Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Wait what? Did Sportsnet seriously bring up WAR? I'm shocked.
eastcoastjaysfan Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Author Posted June 20, 2013 last series he was phenomenal on the base paths. The jump he had on Izzy's 2 run single was huge, and last night to be able to go 1st to 3rd on LeMahieu's error lead to our 4th run Forgot about that 1st to 3rd move. That was an exceptional read on his part. He's actually above average in terms of baseball IQ. And he actually has a good approach at the plate..... He's not often hacking at terrible pitches out of the zone anymore.... Seems like he's just made up his mind to disregard contact and go for XBH (which is fine) and he just misses sometimes. He's been taking a lot of borderline pitches lately. Very promising.
Arkadium Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 The catch he made in the 9th last night in the gap, he made look very easy, but that was hit deep. He looked like a f***ing gazelle tracking it down. Haha so true about the Gazelle
Arkadium Verified Member Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 Forgot about that 1st to 3rd move. That was an exceptional read on his part. He's actually above average in terms of baseball IQ. And he actually has a good approach at the plate..... He's not often hacking at terrible pitches out of the zone anymore.... Seems like he's just made up his mind to disregard contact and go for XBH (which is fine) and he just misses sometimes. He's been taking a lot of borderline pitches lately. Very promising. I'm not sure I've ever seen Colby take a "slap" swing... reminds me of Matt Stairs in that sense.
eastcoastjaysfan Old-Timey Member Posted June 20, 2013 Author Posted June 20, 2013 I'm not sure I've ever seen Colby take a "slap" swing... reminds me of Matt Stairs in that sense. O-Zone Swing% = 28.7%... which is almost identical to Edwin. He's been fairly selective up there. Just swinging through a lot of pitches in the zone it seems. That can't be sustainable.
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