The Prospect/Minor Leagues Thread

[burlingtonbandit]

Who knows. Likely just command issues right now though. Trouble not grooving the FB; trouble getting the out pitches near the plate.

 

Striking out 5/9IP in A ball is really bad though. Osuna after surgery was still striking out a ton of guys even though the command wasn't there. The games I listened to he wasn't getting swings and misses either too so its overall not missing bats.

[Laika]

Striking out 5/9IP in A ball is really bad though. Osuna after surgery was still striking out a ton of guys even though the command wasn't there. The games I listened to he wasn't getting swings and misses either too so its overall not missing bats.

 

Still doesn't even have 30 innings. One big K game and his rate could look fine.

 

I wouldn't freak out just YET. Maybe next week though.

[burlingtonbandit]

Still doesn't even have 30 innings. One big K game and his rate could look fine.

 

I wouldn't freak out just YET. Maybe next week though.

 

Yeah. I mean im not freaking out but its getting to be concerning. Even hutch coming back from TJS the Ks were still there.

[baubau]

Hoffman is s*** now

 

He's no Matt Boyd! Trade him for Paps!

[Laika]

Yeah. I mean im not freaking out but its getting to be concerning. Even hutch coming back from TJS the Ks were still there.

 

In addition to coming back from TJS, Hoff is getting his first taste of pro-ball, and on top of that, he really has barely pitched with this type of stuff, because he didn't have it during his first two years of college.

 

I'm not surprised at all that he's taking some lumps in the FSL right now. He might take longer to develop than people think.

[Laika]

Alford's slump is over. 4 hit game so far, including a 2B and 3B.

[King]

Urena went deep again

[KingKat]

In addition to coming back from TJS, Hoff is getting his first taste of pro-ball, and on top of that, he really has barely pitched with this type of stuff, because he didn't have it during his first two years of college.

 

I'm not surprised at all that he's taking some lumps in the FSL right now. He might take longer to develop than people think.

 

Ding! Ding! Ding! The only issue with Hoffman is unrealistic expectations which has been an issue for awhile. He wasn't considered a finished product before his injury so there's no reason other than blind optimism to expect him be one now.

[43211234]

It's also very likely that Hoffman's pitch usage is being controlled.

[nmrch]

Ding! Ding! Ding! The only issue with Hoffman is unrealistic expectations which has been an issue for awhile. He wasn't considered a finished product before his injury so there's no reason other than blind optimism to expect him be one now.

 

No, this is just homerism, the lack of K's is concerning even if you account for TJS and lack of experience, the latter is especially nonsensical given he's supposed to be an advanced college pitcher.

 

Like someone said before the first year back from TJS does tend to be rough but its almost always command that suffers, not the swing and miss part.

 

I don't know who it was someone in this very thread brought up Hoffman's relatively unimpressive K rate in college as evidence that he shouldn't be hyped up as much as he is, he/she is proving to be right.

[KingKat]

the latter is especially nonsensical given he's supposed to be an advanced college pitcher.

 

 

College pitcher? Yes. Advanced? Don't know where you're getting that. That's a belief that's rooted in homerism. Certainly more so than any of what I said. I'm certainly not a homer on Hoffman. I've felt that he's been overrated for awhile. I'm not surprised by his results. Is it possible he's just not that good? Absolutely. I've always felt that way. Top 5 prospect in terms of talent doesn't mean as much as people seem to think it does. Mark Appel was top 5 talent. Heck Mark Appel was considered the number one talent at points and the truth is that he's just not that good.

[Laika]

I don't know who it was someone in this very thread brought up Hoffman's relatively unimpressive K rate in college as evidence that he shouldn't be hyped up as much as he is, he/she is proving to be right.

 

It was brought up by tercet, but shown to be patently false; Hoffman was 1st (maybe 2nd?) in K% in his conference during his 3rd year.

[Boxcar]

College pitcher? Yes. Advanced? Don't know where you're getting that. That's a belief that's rooted in homerism. Certainly more so than any of what I said. I'm certainly not a homer on Hoffman. I've felt that he's been overrated for awhile. I'm not surprised by his results. Is it possible he's just not that good? Absolutely. I've always felt that way. Top 5 prospect in terms of talent doesn't mean as much as people seem to think it does. Mark Appel was top 5 talent. Heck Mark Appel was considered the number one talent at points and the truth is that he's just not that good.

 

How dare you speak ill of Mark Appel

[King]

How long before we see Boyd in a Blue Jays uniform

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

It's just a matter of time!

[TheHurl]

is 14 seconds from hit to home good? Kemp is still a really interesting guy...he'll be underrated by his size

 

http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?sid=milb&content_id=171591783

[TheHurl]

if a guy is too good for AAA but not good enough for the majors he's called AAAA...what do you call a guy that kills AA but sucks in AAA? Cause that's Ryan Schimpf. Slugging just under .600 for his last 350 AA PA's OPS'ing .650 for his 310 AAA PA's.

 

http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?sid=milb&content_id=171591783

[baubau]

...what do you call a guy that kills AA but sucks in AAA?]

 

Pompey.

 

*badum pst*

[King]

Jonathan Mayo ‏@JonathanMayo 7m7 minutes ago

Rodgers and @Rockies a very good fit. Clear path to bigs, no one blocking, hitter friendly organization.

 

lol

[tercet]

It was brought up by tercet, but shown to be patently false; Hoffman was 1st (maybe 2nd?) in K% in his conference during his 3rd year.

 

But it was an issue before and seems to be an issue so far in the minors..

[tercet]

Cardona has another elbow injury/issue.. Out another year pretty much..

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Vancouver season opener too!

 

What ever became of the Kalfus dude?

 

Lol... K

[Olerud363]

Vancouver season opener too!

 

What ever became of the Kalfus dude?

 

Lol... K

 

Looked him up on twitter... said he got accepted into fire academy... sounds like a good guy

[nmrch]

But it was an issue before and seems to be an issue so far in the minors..

 

People are also vastly overestimating the first year back from TJ effect, the differences tend to be marginal, its not a night and day thing. When you cut Hoffman slack for it, his numbers are extremely troubling. Even if you double the first year back from TJ effect and subtract that from his current numbers, he's still not average.

 

Season after returning ERA HR/9 BB/9 K/9

One 5.80% 7.20% 5.00% -4.40%

Two 0.60% -2.00% 0.70% -1.60%

Three 0.20% 2.10% 0.70% -0.90%

http://www.hardballtimes.com/a-primer-on-tommy-john-surgery-part-one/

[DuckDuckGose]

It's been 6 starts, it's okay to cut him some slack for now

[burlingtonbandit]

It's been 6 starts, it's okay to cut him some slack for now

 

Everyone knows its early but that doesn't discount the fact he isn't striking anyone out. By all reports his velocity is back so in theory he should be getting whiffs even if his command isn't back. Of the 16Ks he's gotten 6 of them have been by looking which means he's barely getting whiffs.

[DuckDuckGose]

It's definitely worrisome but for now I'm happy with the command and velocity and hoping it's just taking some time for his secondaries to come along (which as we all know happens with young pitchers).

[bronson44]

[immature]

Norris: 4IP 5SO 1BB 2H

De Jong: 6IP 8SO 3BB 3H

Alford: 1/2 with a double

Locastro: 1/1 with a sac fly. This guy is a prospect. 1:1 K:BB ratio, SB machine, hitting .330 now, and plays 2B (and probably pretty well due to his speed).

Hollon pitching for Vancouver tonight.

# top 10 farm system

[Atothe]

5 so in 4 ip for Norris, 8 so in 6 ip for Dejong