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Sorry they deleted your thread. Crazy that 34 years old Wilson Contreras can hit fine and Guerrero can't. How? How is that even possible.

Not sure why that thread got deleted. I totally get if he was starting a new Red Sox thread everyday. What is wrong with a thread about another teams success? Yeah I know there are Red Sox boards. but sometimes you just want to chat about stuff with the board you know. Given expectations this has to be the worst season in Blue Jays history. Have some leeway I think to muse about why the other teams are successful.

Things not allowed. 1. Lenyn Sosa 2. Is this just another AAAA player (until 150 games of solid playing time). ? ** Things that must happen 1. Davis Schneider traded to red sox or given 160 games in lead off spot as show of apprecitation for on base percentage. (Some good posters recently asked that about Keys, "Is he just a AAAA player?" Need to wipe this thought out about player who walks and has power. On base percentage must return and there could be some failure along the way, but the alternative is worse.

Career he has played 162 games and walked 123 times but only hit .235 or so. The Jays have a tonne of guys who have low career averages in the minors but great secondary skills. For an organization last in on base percentage, last in walks, last in runs, and hopeless at the major league level this would be a welcome change if that philosophy arrives in Toronto after the strike. These types of players frustrate. Organization needs to committ to allowing players to hit .140 with a .300 on base and look bad for a month and stick with them even when it appears not to be working. Feel like just needs to be a rule, when we start bringing more of these up, they get a lot of playing time. You don't EVER sit these guys for the Lenyn Sosas of the earth.

No need for any of this s*** anymore. It needs to stop and they need to change direction. A change of direction may result in more wins compared to what they are doing. 1. Relievers used conservatively and the right amount. If too many close games in a row they use Brendan little if it comes to that. No one allowed to go over 2 outings and/or 30 pitches for 3 days. 2. If too many blow out losses in a row and Varland/Hoffman/Rogers underworked one of them opens. 3. Davis Schneider traded and team officially announces they no longer believe in on base percentage. Or if they believe in on base percentage he plays in MLB 90% of the time for rest of season. 4. Vlad given swing reconstruction and load management. Plays 9 of 10 days. Rests 3 days. Swing reconstruction 2 days. Vlad plays only 60% of the time until fixed. 5. Springer traded or plays 50% of time. And in LF when he plays so young ones can DH. 6. Keys either sent to Buffalo of plays 100% of the time. 7. All starters get openers except Cease. Even Yesavage. Openers become the Blue Jays way and players respect it. They have a big cheer for when the follower vultures a win. These are rules. Managers that don't obey them get fired.

I have no idea. You have to first identify how what the problem is with Vladimir Guerrero Jr. If it is a chronic injury that can't be fixed ever... then firing people will not do much good. Release him I guess and eat the 500 million. If it is fixable then you start thinking who, on this planet of 7 billion people can help Vlad ? And the same skills that will help Vlad will help other players get to their potential. Why is this team dead last in offense? Is it mechanics? Mental? Injuries? Random? If the first 3 identify who is good at helping players with mechanics, mental stuff and handling injuries and get people like that. So perhaps instead of thinking who should be fired, identify what the problem are, and identify what coaching, management, and health and fitness and skills you need in the organization to fix it. Then get those skills, and if needs to come at the expense of firing some people, do that then.

Fire sale? Everyone's value is down to zero. How can you even sell things that have no value.

Selling is not entirely giving up either. 98 Jays. 2025 Guardians. And I am sure many other stories. It ain't working, reconfigure to a younger players. Sometimes they go on a run. line-up post firesale. Of course this could be a disaster. Or it could be a normal team that takes walks, and hits homers, and has young bat speed and just acts normal for a 2020s offense, instead of the .245 .300 .360 s*** we see. And maybe some of the things we get in there too. (this assume Lukes, Springer, Varsho sold). 1. Davis Schneider (if not sold needs to play 50 games straight) 2. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. 3. Ernie Clement (if not sold) 4. Okamota 5. Keys (50 games straight to see what we have) 6. Kirk/Valenzuala 7. Pinago 8. Clase 9. Giminez

I don't believe this mandate would come from Rogers for profit reasons. It would come from themselves as getting under I think is worth a prospect or two. The penalties make you lose a pick and international signing money right? So if they get just under one of the threshold that is like getting a prospect.

I wonder what Gausman's value is compared to Kikuchi's 2 years ago? Both will be entering the trade deadline with similar numbers. Both had their ERAs inflated by a couple of bad outings leading up to trade deadline. Kikuchi better raw stuff, younger but was very inconsistent. Gausman longer track record and recent post season success. Would Dodgers want Gausman (given injuries and Ohtani status) and give one of their outfield prospects? My understanding is that Dodgers have several good outfield prospects, with the best one untouchable but then the second or third best is still good. Who wants Springer? Who needs right handed hitting outfield/DH with greatest playoff WPA (I believe ever). When you trade for Springer you are trading for a series winning homerun. That's gotta be worth something even given his current state.

Blue Jays need to pay to send him to Fenway as a Blue Jays ambassador for consecutive win 19. He can hand them a token of appreciation for that historic moment. Like a quilt with 19 on it and some great moments from the win streak embroidered. Also, I mentioned on the Sell thread, but in the case of Blue Jays selling anyone to the Red Sox, Grant can escort them across the field to the other dug-out and wish them the best on a quest for the World Series.

Totally true - if we told you 1. Vlad .350 slugging and loses all power 2. Varsho also loses all power 3. Springer back to 2024 Springer 4. Barger, Ponce, Berrios, Satander out for season 5. Heineman goes back to .200 .250 .300 hitter, and so does Kirk. 6. Schneider has to spend most of the year in the minors where he is holding a .500 on base but they still don't call him back up. 7. Hoffman brutal for first third of season and needs to be removed from closer roll 8. Brandon Little has lost it so much he can't even stay around for 10 innings. -- all that you'd think they'd win 50 games -- put them together and it's a 70 win team.

4 teams from the East make the playoffs? This requires our poor Blue Jays to lose a lot of games against them. In the old system that would be OK to get a top 3 pick. It's a lottery though and we all know a 65 win Blue Jays team would end up picking 11th or something with the 82 win Mariners or someone getting 1st overall.

Feel good story of the year. They probably win the division. Gives us faith again that there is kindness in the world and good things happen to good people. I'm always a blue jays fan first but appreciate baseball history. Looks Jays are in line to be part of win 17 to 19, but will miss 20-24. I predict this streak is only halfway there.

You may think I am going overboard on Boston to troll the board and Grant if he still lurks. I'll admit I'm laying it on a bit thick, and there are of course bad parts of Boston, like anywhere. Most of it is factually true though. Been to Boston more than any American city. 50 times at least. For business and for the Boston Marathon. Know so many Boston fans. No one was kinder and more excited for me during last year playoffs. I have Boston fans who make me Blue Jays quilt like wall hanger decorations. I have a Boston fan who gave me a 1970s Blue Jays warm up Jacket. All the Boston fans I know gave me condolences last year. Sort of live in an New England area close enough to NY City that it is 1/3 Boston fans, 1/3 Yankees and 1/3 Mets so they learn to be not dickish to each other, since they are all mixed in.

World Series AL East this century - Boston 4, NY 2, Tampa Bay 0, Baltimore 0, Toronto 0 Playoff wins AL East this decode - NY 15, Tampa Bay 12, Toronto 10, Boston 6, Baltimore 0 How is Baltimore less deserving? They have very little. I do like Boston. Integrity, intelligence, classy fans, a left wing liberal city, smartest place in North America, home of Havard and MIT, the Boston Marathon, the start of freedom for the west at the Boston Tea Party. Sam Adams beer. Patriots. Warriors. The kindest people on the planet. Some disagree, they have not been there and are making stuff up. ALL four teams have Championships in the last 10 years I believe. They do deserve this as a people, and because of their kindness you could argue they deserve another from the Red Sox this year. I don't know as much about Baltimore as a city and their people. How classy are they? Baltimore deserves some success because they've had little lately, but they deserve it based on their integrity?

It's like Cito's 94-97 Jays without 2 World Series wins to give him rope... Last in walks, last in on base percentage, only an injury could stop Lenyn Sosa,

Never a big fan of Joe Carter. For 30 years I always thought, great moment but they would have won in 1993 anyway. It was only game 6, would have won it the next day, or in extras if they only got one run in. or someone else would have done it... but obviously not. Perspective changed a lot after 2025 World Series. Jays had 15 chances in game 6 and 7 when a homerun would have won it and never came up with the big hit. A single fly ball, or one more hit would have won it. Probably 21 chances when you include the 8th inning of both those games. Like a single extra hit, to get an extra guy home even in the 8th would have done it. Thank you Joe Carter and Dave Winfield (1992) you are true men that have given us older ones a moment of happiness the young ones have never felt. They have had the odd joy here and there, but mostly pain and never complete victory.

Trade would have to be Jays get - Soto, Bichette Mets get - Vlad, Varland, Cease, Nimalla, Parker, the other Parker, King, Perry, Bullard, Keys, 1 billion US dollars, 1 million international bonus money.

Soto - projected .300 .400 .550 6 WAR a year for 12 years paid 600 million worth 700 million Vlad - projected .240 .320 .290 -2 WAR a year for 14 years paid 500 million worth -300 million The value difference of Soto and Vlad is probably 1 billion doillars.

This is why you consider trading Clement and Rogers. Are we aiming for 2027? 2028? A 2027 half season? If the latter do you roll with the half season? Or just totally tank the half season and concentrate on 2028? (like the Red Sox and Orioles kind of tanked the Covid season, and got good draft positions and international money for only 2 months of pain).

I personally think the Jays should pay for Grant to go to Fenway park, and when Gaussman, Clement, and Davis Schneider cross the field into the other dug-out, to join the Red Sox for their 18th in a row, Grant should escort them, and hand them over to Dave Portnoy. Grant should apologize for dissing the Red Sox so much, and on behalf of the Blue Jays organization and fans wish the Sox well on their quest for World Series Victory 5 (this century). Of course in return the Jays receive Justin Gonzales, some other pieces and hope for 2028. I think such a ceremony would even improve the vibes for the rest of 2026. Change the mood by acknowledging and apologizing for our sins. Main reason now this trade won't happen is Red Sox are too hot, and perfect as they are, and don't need or want our players. Maybe need to make the trade right now before Red Sox realize this.

Now 3.5 games behind the Red Sox. I know a lot of Red Sox fans and the Joy they feel during this streak, during this miracle season is something to see... but not 'woe is us', we had such last year. Every dog has it's day. But only if you recognize when to fold. We had 2025, we could have 2028. Time to sell. Even if you still have hope, surely you recognize that the current situation isn't working? Like if miracle run is destined to happen, just as likely with Goerge Springer, Gaussman and Schneider, and Hoffman, and others finding good homes and the young players in return surprising. Davis Schneider in particular. Please find him a good home. I still say Red Sox. If he becomes a hero there it will up us too, force Jays to re-evaluate our processes and treat the next Davis Schneider better.

2027 - No World Series (canceled lockout) 2028 - No World Series (canceled lockout) 2029 - World Series Dodgers 4-peat Starting line-up Ohtani Mike Trout James Woods Dodgers-super-prospect Vladimir Guerrero Jr (rehabilatated) Abrahams Corbin Will Smith Jazz

That is why there is no baseball until at least 2028. If you are looking to win there is one team to go to, then a second choice (Yankees). But the second choice is like 200 million (when you take into account taxes) from the first choice. But two teams that don't have losing seasons ever. Only 2. Mets/Blue Jays. Yes same brother different mother. Similar in all respects. Both, along with the Yankees will want to limit the Dodgers somehow. If you are a great player and the Dodgers want you the Dodgers get you, so need a salary cap to stop that.