Masterbather

Imagine if they suddenly have an 8 run bottom of the eighth.

I watched during the JP Ricciardi era. I can now survive anything.

I wish he would call the fastball up and in to righties more often with Kuch. It actually drives me nuts.

Precisely, it was always going to come down to us and Seattle. Would have been nice not to have been humiliated though but at least it will open the eyes, hopefully, of the people that were still blind.

Well I always felt it was Seattle that we were most likely to pass over. It still is, if anybody.

That should be funny but it's also true.

Yeah I'm really broken up over it. Can barely contain my misery. f*** 'em. One day too late. We probably would have flailed away at their mediocre bullpen even if they had to resort to a bullpen day anyway. Whatever, I hope the Rangers never win a world series in my lifetime.

This is just such an unlikable team. They're not fun to watch. The players I look forward to watching most in the lineup are the AAA guys because at least I know they'll have good at bats. This team will win nothing even if it stumbles and falls backwards into the playoffs. I can't believe there's still anyone who thinks that this team can win a championship. There were people that were offended at me saying that this team MIGHT be a playoff team at the beginning of the season. I'm not surprised that Guerrero continued to decline because he has been declining since the first half of 2021. Not surprised about Varsho because I saw around 50 diamondback games last year, I knew his bat was s***. Kirk had one breakout year but that's not a trend. These things are not excuses especially when we had as much good luck with the pitching staff even with Manoah regressing beyond the regression that most of us expected anyhow. This team needs a shake up and it starts with leadership. Get some f***ers in here that have a spine and will hold players accountable.

Yankees: Judge is a pretty big f***ing one, we haven't drafted a player like that in over 30 years. He beats all of them combined. You named another couple of other good ones that were better than anything we drafted already. You can throw in some lesser guys like El Duque and Tanaka as signings, Betances for a blazing while, Montgomery is a pretty good recent one too. Heck, Chad Green has done about as much as Osuna. They have us beat. I wouldn't be complaining if we had that list. If you want to go back to the 1990s you're welcome to but that's just going to make my argument stronger. Rays: The combination of guys your named are significantly better than the crap we've had over the same period of time already but to add to that: McClanahan, Cobb, Snell, even Brandon Lowe just off the top of my head. There were probably some other guys that gave them two or three solid years like Jennings which is about as much as you can say for the Jays that were named. No competition between the Rays and the Jays. They aren't just slightly better. Angels: Yeah pretty terrible but the three guys you did name trounce our guys, including one of the greatest players to ever live. Kole Calhoun had three or four good years for them. Aybar as a signing was was pretty good, again that's pretty comparable to what we've managed just with those two lousy names. They suck, but we're still worse. Cubs: Kyle Schwarber, maybe Kyle Hendricks... Yeah, Cubs are pretty rough, on the whole they were probably still better but they do suck. A's: yeah they've let go of some outstanding talent, but you still have to give them credit for the drafting and development and they did get something out of those players before trading them so those are all a credit to them. Those are some big names you put out there already. Rich harden had some big years before it fell apart for him. Huston Street, Swisher, Sean Murphy. I don't know there may be more but already, when added to the guys you mentioned, that's a lot of f***ing good names. Naw man, they've dominated us over this period. And if I did extend it until the '90s then you would get the great pitching they had in the late '90s. I still maintain that we are one of the worst if not the absolute worst in the league. Not a single true superstar that played for us since Halladay and Delgado. A couple of all star seasons here and there from some others, but we f***ing suck dude.

We haven't had a Halladay or Delgado since Halladay and Delgado. This organization gets let off way too easy by its fans and media, way too easy. That level of futility, I maintain, is unmatched. Maybe you'll find some team in the national league that's worse but good god it has been absolutely terrible. Our entire current starting rotation is made up of other teams' players that we bought free agent years from. The one fat ass that belongs to us is a pain in the ass and not as good as he thinks he is. The depressing part is if we sneak into the playoffs because of other teams failures around us, people will let things slide again. I think an epic failure down the stretch might be a nice organizational wake up call. The bar here is so low, you let players walk all over management without consequence you can't argue that. We have fat players, we have players that constantly make mistakes and don't suffer consequences. Been this way for years. And it just slides and slides and slides. You can feel the entitlement.

One of my qualifiers was at the contributed for us at the Major League level because that is also part of proving that we developed them properly but go ahead and take those two because the names we've seen so far are mostly pretty pathetic.

Does that list impress you? That's a pretty depressing list to me. Some guys in their had two or three really good seasons, certainly no superstars in there. Stroman is the best, but we stupidly did not hang on to him. No team is going to draft nothing but zero value players over 20 years but that's a pretty depressing list if that's the best we've done. Nobody should look at that list and be proud.

THANK YOU! I've been saying that all year about the pitching in general. We have one elite arm j Gausman, and then a bunch of good players but not elite. Many of our ERAs are deceptive. It is good, and it's deep in its goodness, and it's certainly not the reason we're having the problems we're having, but people think it's better than it is. The offense? Watching the game today I got excited for the innings that included the middle part of our lineup and had no hope for anybody else, and it's basically the middle of the lineup that ended up coming through. There's no real excitement when the top of our order comes up because we know how disappointing they are.

How? Dude that's already a terrible list. Terrible! If you go through most teams I guarantee you you could at least think of three or four guys that are better. That's extremely futile for 20 f***ing years.

Nobody cares about that type of stuff. Generally players go to the highest bidder anyway and teams that are ready to win. Nobody's going to sit there and say well they didn't lock up Bo Bichette therefore I refuse to sign.

I would not lock him up for the kind of money he'll want. Especially since we need to think about our next window.

Well it would take a couple of years to rebuild but there's no point holding on to a losing formula. This team ain't it because it doesn't have the horses, not really.

It's built around Bo and Vlad. That's not a winning combination. Please let somebody else pay these guys. I said early in the season, if you ever made the decision to rebuild you have a lot of assets you can use to quickly turn this thing around. But they're going to choke this window to its death and it will not produce a winner.

Thank goodness for this elite bullpen everyone talks about it. Keeping us in the game

Fine by me.

That lefty is a superstar. I wouldn't blame you for not knowing what a superstar looks like if you watched too much of the Blue Jays but that's what one looks like.

Yeah, as if we'll do jack s*** off of that pitching.

Game time: Since the turn of the century, name the five best Blue Jays to have been drafted, developed and played any sort of significant role for the Blue Jays. Now, how many teams can you think of with a more pathetic list?

It's cute how you think that.

Whomever played with the Max Scherzer voodoo doll, thanks. Probably too little too late. But the effort is appreciated.