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Grant - that was meant to be a bit of a joke.....although Law's been better for us than Pillar's been for SF. You have no idea if he had 'real' trade value. No idea why you'd suggest that. For those suggesting he had value to the current club. I can buy that to some extent (fans love him)...but let's be honest, he's posting a -0.4 WAR through the first quarter of this year. He hasn't actually provided value to anyone this season. I'm sure it won't end this bad/quickly for Pillar, but he's probably looking at a 1.0 WAR season at best.

He's only had 1 great year...

With that much evidence, there's very little room for debate. What a logical take.

What is this nonsense? Let's break it down. Good: Woodman for A.Diaz trade A.Diaz for Thornton trade Dominic Leone & Conner Greene for Grichuk Pillar for Hansen, Law & Juan De Paula (Pillar's been worth -0.1 WAR for the Giants, while Law's been worth 0.2 WAR for the Jays. Pillar sucks) Bad: Happ for Drury & McKinney Liriano for Teoscar Rodrigo Orozco for Socrates Brito Inconclusive: Oh for Spanberger & Wall Loup for Jacob Waguespack Martin for Andrew Sopko and Ronny Brito JD for Merryweather You're going to rip Atkins for the return they got when trading key assets such as Liriano, Rodrigo Orozco and a 1/8 of a season of Happ? C'mon man. I mean f***...even if all the trades under "inconclusive" fail (which most of them will) - there's been no value or assets traded away outside of an 1/8 of a season of JD and Happ. When you factor in that we ended up with Grichuk and Thornton for NOTHING - I find it pretty hard to rip Atkins. Let's wait until they actually have assets before we rip what they are getting in return for them. The cupboards were f***ing bare here when they arrived. I feel like this is the 3rd time I've had to explain this.

I wonder if Atkins has to tell Montoyo to take a bathroom break too...

Where did anyone say it was utter nonsense that the Jays attendance figures have dropped since Shatkins took over? YOU said "A major league team can not survive on the attendance figures they are posting right now."....that IS utter nonsense. We're not even bottom 10 in the league. There is profit sharing in the league. Teams can survive on 20K per night. You may not like it - but don't make s*** up to support your narrative.

That obviously seems like an option; however - let's not dismiss the fact they have a team of experts who are hired to develop a plan for physical health and development. I'm not picking on you Term, but it's incredible how quickly people with little to absolutely no idea about the topic are quick to judge and suggest alternatives. I mean sure, it would be ideal if the team took into account certain dates that you want him playing (for the casuals) - but, as has already been pointed out - this FO looks at the long term.....and - most of the best organizations in baseball - the ones that are widely considered the to be the best are utilizing this approach. Do fans want a great organization who's focused on creating a long term, competitive winner? Or one that caters to the casual fans? Just because most casual can't grasp that concept - doesn't mean you change the game plan.

a slight embellishment, but...

I wonder what's more likely to cause a batting slump. Playing everyday despite fatigue, or getting regular days off to stay fresh.

Speaking from experience Rob?

Any idea how they are using him offensively? Is he DH'ing a few times a week?

http://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance Clearly there are LOTS of teams that can survive on the Jays current attendance figures. Why are people so comfortable spewing utter nonsense? Imagine being Minnesota in a brand new stadium with one of the best records in baseball (or Tampa in a s***** stadium, but with a great team). That's a tough position.

wRC+ of only 39 over 90 PA's in AA. Absolutely no power (2 xbh) curious to see how this plays out.

Not surprisingly - it looks like Tim Tebow may fizzle out in AAA. I wonder if they give him a token call up and at bat just to say he made it?

What's up with Forrest Whitley?

whooooooosh Abom - you're better than this.

How is this thread only at 16 pages?

Apparently Carter Stewart's going to pitch in Japan... Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that Carter Stewart has signed with Fukuoka of the Japanese Pacific League. Stewart was the eighth pick of the 2018 draft, but did not sign with the Braves after concerns rose over his asymptomatic wrist issue. He filed a grievance to become a free agent, but the Braves won and Stewart elected to attend Eastern Florida State College; a two-year school that made him eligible for the 2019 draft. The stuff hasn't been as good this spring as it was last year -- Stewart was widely considered the top prep pitcher in the class -- but he still had some first-round talk. It now appears we may be seeing Stewart beginning his career in the JPL instead.

I thought this was an interesting update from Rotoworld Yasmany Tomas went 5-for-5 with four homers and eight RBI on Monday for Triple-A Reno on Monday. Tomas saw four pitches on Monday, and all four of them went over the fence. He now has 13 homers on the season, and he's slashing .311/.341/.598 in 42 games. Are pitchers in AAA stupid? The guy's hit 3 hr's on 3 pitches and the first pitch in the fourth at bat is hittable? That s*** should be in the dirt or the left handed batters box...

This is better than following the Jays box scores. Thanks BR

I think it's hilarious how upset people are getting over this - and quick they are to jump to conclusions on why it happened.

SSS, but he's been awful v. LHP. v. RHP: 152 wRC+ v. LHP: -53 wRC+ What's worse? fans not getting to see him play or fans seeing him go 0-4 v. Price? If only Drury hit lefties well (or anyone well...f*** me he sucks) Montoyo could set up a platoon!

I wonder if there might be information that they know about that the fanbase doesn't.

The thing with Sanchez is he was legitimately good in 2016 (ie, it wasn't like there were underlying numbers to suggest it was a fluke). The Jays would have had to known it was a complete mirage and sold him that offseason. I have a hard time blaming the FO for how this has played out.

because he hates watching Javy Guerra pitch. It's as simple as that Dick.