Brownie19

Thanks friendo...I never knew Fangraphs added that!

What is Miller's stuff+ this year? Manoah's fell off the table last year....if he really Manoah's?

Yeah - I'm with you on that one friendo.

That's a true story. f*** that guy.

are her tits real?

That is text book public speaking. Right now could mean several things, including absolutely nothing, as "right now" is technically past as soon as you say it.

Why do you see that as a positive? I'm not sure I'm very supportive of this. I do wonder if this direction of only selling expiring contracts is simply because they want the new GM (to be named after the season) to be the one make the decisions on Gausman, Bo, Vlad, Bassitt, Berrios, etc...

The narrative that you don't like the Blue Jays FO? That's the narrative I'm trying to create? I don't think anyone needs to try and create that. I guess you may like Shapiro and hate Atkins, but Shapiro is responsible for Atkins and is the one keeping him around, so if you hate Atkins, then I'm not sure you should be super supportive of Shapiro. I mean you can like the reno's and stuff, but from a baseball perspective, you must feel Shapiro is failing Rogers and Jays fans everywhere no?

I'm going to support you for once (I'm trying new things). I suspect what you're saying is all 100% true and it's credible enough for me. But - you have to acknowledge how ridiculous that's going to sound when posted on a message board. One reads that connection and in their head it sound like it's a friend of a friend who has a cousin, who's boss plays Fortnite with a kid who's Dad was in the same room as Shapiro and the Rogers CEO. As you say - overhearing something comes with some inherent risk that they misunderstood something, or things could certainly change - but I still take it as interesting info. I'm not overly surprised, although I do think the team would be best to seriously consider trades of Bassitt, Gausman and Berrios (and Kikucci of course) if there are legit offers on the table for their services.

100% You'd have a 4th starter who sat at 87/88, struck out 5 per 9, walked 3 per 9, and threw 200 innings a year. The pitching depth and hitters were just so awful back then. The game has advanced so far.

This thread is titled "Does anyone actually trust Ross Atkins and Shapiro to be at the helm for a rebuild?" After someone posts that Shapiro is actually the one making all the decision and another post about how Larry Dolan was desperate to get rid of him and how fans hated Shapiro....you bring up a couple of critical trades that Shapiro made during his time in Cleveland and suggest "only Michael Brantley amounted to anything" and regarding the Carrasco trade say "the rest of the package was garbage". Hopefully you can you see how one might interpret that you don't think Shapiro did a good job in Cleveland and/or with those trades. I have no obsession with this front office. I have an obsession with people who only look at results to form opinions, those who can't understand probabilities and factors outside of a GM's control and who fail to see both sides of an argument. I did the exact same thing with people who complained and bitched about AA ad nauseam.

I think there were reports confirming this a few weeks ago.

Bud, you started this discussion by suggesting the returns that Shapiro got for CC and Lee weren't very good. The majority suggested that was a bad take, as getting Brantley and Carrasco for 1/2 a season of CC and 1 1/2 seasons of Lee was actually quite good. When you factor in that Shapiro got Sizemore, Phillips and Cliff Lee for 1 1/2 seasons of Bartolo Colon, it becomes pretty evident that Shapiro had a pretty good track record of executing trades during his time in Cleveland. Want to add to this? Remember when Shapiro fleeced AA by getting Yan Gomes and Mike Aviles for Esmil Rogers? Gomes immediately gave Cleveland a 4.4 and a 4.9 WAR season.

Outman might not work because he sucks.

Nobody said he was. We said he was a good return for 1 1/2 years of Cliff Lee. Try to keep up please.

I think the age and large jump in K% raised a lot of flags for Martinez - but he seems to have fought off father time yet another year.

If you squinted the past couple of years, you wouldn't have seen Schneider, Horwitz or Leo either as future big league contributors either.

She came out and said she was drunk and has checked into a rehab this morning. An apology was issued. If true, then that's sad, but good on her for recognizing the problem and taking steps to deal with it.

I'm not so sure about that. I do think at the start of the year, he was providing some positive defense, but his def is now -7.6 at the all-star break. He's on pace for one of his worst defensive seasons to date.

Agreed. We're actually quite lucky that Schneider, Leo and Horwitz look like MLB contributors, or the outlook would be even worse.

Agreed. Lux is a bust. LA f***ed one of the top prospects in baseball somehow

Why do we always forget that we used the money we would have had to pay Teo to sign KK, who was better than Teo last year. We essentially got Swanson and Macko for free. But burn Atkins on the cross!

Imagine complaining about a lottery ticket like Pinto (who's put up a 116 wRC+ at age 19 and 20 in Single A ball) when the player we gave up was Randal Grichuk...

Yeah - I liked him as a target too for similar reasons. But there was always risk he wouldn't produce much this year. He's bounced around the league over the last 4 years, during which he produced one amazing year, one solid year and 2 below average years. He's running a career high BABIP and is tied with his best season ever at the plate at age 32. No matter how you slice it - nobody should have expected this type of year from him. He's producing at the 90th percentile outcome. I don't think anyone should have been overly surprised if Joc was producing like Soler is this year (102 wRC+, 0.2 WAR). Did the Jays look into Carlos Santana? I mean we could look at those results and suggest they made a massive mistake in not brining him in. 1.7 WAR this year. Dumb Blue Jays missed out. There were like 5 or 6 reasonable free agent DH targets this year. It was like roulette as to which ones would produce and which ones would bust and I'm not sure anyone would suggest they knew which would do what. Pederson - "hit" JD Martinez - "hit" Santana - "hit" Turner - "missed" Garver - "missed" Soler - "missed" Duvall - "missed"

To be fair, the Yariel signing was more of a long term thing. I don't think the Jays expected him to have a major impact this season - he would just add to their pitching depth this year. Based on what we've seen so far, that looks like it was a really solid move. But yes, the FA signings this year haven't been great. Not nearly as good as Atkins has been between 2020 and 2023. I do wonder what the league average for this stuff is. I don't think anyone should expect a GM to be perfect with their FA signings and provide exceptional value year after year. They all swing and miss sometimes.