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12th round is way too early to be drafting kids for jokes. Its possible that they have more money saved than we expect with those first 10 picks.

Grady Sizemore was an OK MLB player, but nothing to write home about. Similar to a Lourdes Gurriel today. They should have received more for Colon.

Colby Holcombe in the 9th round is interesting - he is massive and has hit ~99 in the past. He was a higher ranked prospect out of JUCO and was terribad for Miss State after transferring there. Could be a guy who figures it out as an MLB reliever.

Crazy thought: perhaps they just like Yesavage more. He is in fact ranked higher on almost every ranking.

The "best HS pitcher" has fallen in almost every draft in recent years. This is not a popular 1st round demographic anymore. Too much risk, and more often than not there ends up being one or more HS pitchers signed in the 2nd/3rd+ round who ends up being better.

17 year old HS LHP Johnny King is the Jays' 3rd rounder.

2nd round is tonight.

Sure, but the guy we got is ranked higher on pretty much every list. Given the number of posts on Caminiti you'd think he was ranked #5-10.

Someone explain why we all wanted Caminiti? Its not like he was some universal top talent no-brainer. #16 on Prospects Live. #27 on Keith Law's list. #15 on MLB.com?

Their last 3 first round picks: 1) Extreme risk HS SS with massive tools. 2) High risk HS LHP with big stuff. 3) College RHP coming off TJ surgery and a Top 10 grade pre-injury. Literally no "safe" picks among those three.

Just checked LMAO: from 2014 to 2018 Carlos Carrasco had the 7th highest fWAR among starting pitchers in the entire league @ 21.0 fWAR. 1.4 fWAR below Verlander and 0.4 fWAR better than than David Price.

This post is approaching single digit IQ. I'm pretty sure that Carrasco had something like three 5 fWAR seasons with Cleveland. Brantley had a 6+ fWAR season. Nothing to write home about indeed lol.

Are they? They are 10 games back in their division and have a 30% probability of making the playoffs this season as of today. They would be much better off this season with Varsho in CF in place of Corbin Carroll (who has been useless). That's the funny part here - they have no production in CF this season...a season wherein they are disappointing. Moreno has been a dud this season. A defense-only catcher who is 19th in fWAR at his position. As mentioned above, Gurriel is now an overpaid replacement-level player. This Jays team sucks, but at least find something relevant to complain about. You couldn't have picked a more incorrect point to try to bring up.

Nah, Norby just sucks lol.

Chapman also posted a 101 wRC+ in his final season in Oakland. So I don't quite get it - in 2018 Oakland "coached" him to a 139 wRC+, but then two years later they "ruined" him to a 101 wRC+ season? Then the Jays "coached" him to a 118 wRC+ season, but then "ruined" him to a 110 wRC+ season? Its almost as if he is simply an incredibly streaky hitter not only year over year, but also within the season itself. That couldn't be it, could it?

Bonilla is 2 for 4 with a HR today, to go with an outfield assist. I think that is 4 extra base hits in 3 games.

Once you see the pattern its almost comically predictable. One of my favourites has to be how the Lourdes Gurriel fanclub in Canada seems to have tripled as soon as he was traded away. I don't remember anyone giving a s*** about Gurriel while he was a 1-2 fWAR player making idiotic mistakes every other game with the Jays, but as soon as its convenient (Varsho struggling, Gurriel hitting better in the NL) we all of a sudden find a newfound Gurriel fan-club which won't shut up about the mistake we made trading away this "star player" .

Yes, renowned for drafting hard throwing HS pitchers and yet he traded most of them for soft-tossing MLB pitchers LOL. Did you forget that the actual rotation was Dickey, Buehrle, and Estrada in 2015, with Hutchison chewing up the 4th most games started? Stroman also morphed from a high strikeout 4-seam dominant pitching style into a "pitch to contact" sinkerballer under Anthopolous. Who's idea was that? Who knows, but to this day I'm not certain that Stroman ever truly hit his peak. Anthopoulos was learning on the fly, and if you actually evaluate objectively you can easily see that there was little rhyme or reason in the overall "plan". He harped on drafting entirely young HS players, and yet he dumped most of them for some of the oldest players in the MLB. What kind of disconnect is that between the minor league system and MLB team? There was a solid ~2 year period where it seemed like defense wasn't even a consideration, and this is something that he openly admitted was a mistake. But you still haven't even explained what your point is. You seem to be giving him credit for drafting pitchers even though most of them were traded away, but yet you fail to realize that the current front office has done the exact same thing??

This is such a lame and obvious attempt to try to walk yourself back into the "look at me, I'm reasonable" camp, even though you are really poor at hiding your actual thoughts. Everyone already knows where you fall, you aren't tricking anyone. To correct your statement above: there is no "Pro Atkins" camp. There are a select group of posters who observe the team as it is and are optimistic by nature, so they try to see the positive outcome for moves that are made, because they want the team to succeed. This camp trolls the opposite camp (mentioned next), because why wouldn't they? There isn't a single person on here who gives a s*** if Atkins or others in the front office are replaced. Then there is the other camp that spends all offseason/season claiming that every decision that is made is the wrong decision. "Oh you signed Justin Turner? IDIOTS - why didn't they sign JD Martinez instead?", "Oh so and so went 0-4, why is he batting 5th - he should be 8th in the lineup!". Then after the next game when that same player goes 2-4 with a HR but is left out of the lineup the following game: "WTF - why are they sitting him??". This camp isn't actually rooting for the team, they are rooting for their own "predictions" to be accurate. So when Turner and IKF come out performing, it's obviously all because of luck. You can't help but chuckle when you see Biggio chumming away with a 131 wRC+, Varsho at 138 wRC+, etc. Inconceivable, right? This camp also likes to over-exaggerate the success of other players/teams when it is convenient for them to prove their attempted point about how everything that this team is doing is "wrong". For example: pretending that Gabriel Moreno was a superstar who led the D-Backs to the World Series with every seeing-eye single he hit last season (lol), or gassing up the Yankees despite the fact that they've had comparable success/failure to the team that apparently does nothing right (the Jays). I'm not rehashing it again, but of course these are the same people who will default to reminiscing about the glory-days of AA in 2015 - despite the fact that all of them wanted AA fired in 2014 LOL. You see, these clowns behaved the same way back then as they do now - but in retrospect they like to pretend that they were staunch supporters of AA, when in reality they only became supperters after he left and it was time to rag on the new front office. I wasn't even here to post during the offseason, so it's quite amusing to see people squealing after they spent ~2 months playing armchair-expert with their takes on Turner, IKF, and the Rodriguez kid.

What a strange post. 1) The vast majority of those pitchers were drafted over a ~2-3 year stretch where the system was broken and he was able to amass a stupid number of picks at the top of the draft. But even during that stretch, if you actually look at those drafts they were littered with colossal flops too (Deck McGuire, Smoral, Comer, Tyler Gonzalez, Jeremy Gabryszwski, etc, etc). So he hit on a few guys and flopped on several others - about as expected when you have that number of picks within the Top 2-3 rounds of the draft and you throw them all at pitchers. The fact that they didn't even choose the correct pitcher to trade (Syndergaard vs. Sanchez) suggests that they were just throwing s*** against the wall. Name me the pitchers that were 'developed' after that compensation pick loophole was closed and we didn't have a million picks at the top of the draft. In 2015 they drafted 3 straight pitchers: Jon Harris (lol), Brady Singer (didn't sign), Justin Maese (lol). 2) You didn't even challenge his point (that Stroman was really the only homegrown pitcher who made a lasting impression on the actual MLB team), instead you just diverted to stating that they traded pitching prospects for MLB pitchers. Okay, but this current regime has also traded numerous prospects for numerous MLB pitchers. Sean Reid-Foley and Josh Winckowski traded for Steven Matz, Kendall Williams traded for Ross Stripling, uhh...the Jose Berrios trade? Robbie Ray was also acquired in a trade. Not really sure what your point is. AA most certainly did not develop a "homegrown" staff. The entire rotation was essentially acquired from elsewhere.

Ahhh yes, it definitely helps them to "embellish" and make things up, only for those players to go elsewhere because they actually secretly had no intentions of even signing them. Because that definitely drives fan approval and makes fans happy, am I right?. I mean you're on here still bringing up Darsvish who signed in 2011 LMAO. Pray tell, how does this practice of "embellishing" help them at all? Do you know Occam's razor? There are 29 other MLB teams, all scouting and vying for the same players. The Yu Darvish "serious interest" stories being reported from the media actually came because higher-up Jays management was constantly being seen scouting his starts in Japan. Next you're going to tell me that they sent those guys to all his games in Japan so that they could "embellish" their interest and get fans' hopes up for a whopping 1-2 weeks LOL. That makes sense. Or....the interest was real, and the Rangers simply just won the bidding? Crazy theory, I know.

Ok...so we should be upset that he pitched well? What exactly is your point? Someone posted that he had a good outing; nobody said that he was Justin Verlander.

This level of attempted pseudoscience psychology is getting to borderline retarded levels. The fact that Ross Atkins wears glasses does not conclude that he is incapable of taking "risks" lmfao. What is this even backed by, btw? Has Atkins not made more "blockbuster" trades in recent years than most teams in the league? Wasn't most of the complaining last year centered on the risk he took in trading Moreno for Varsho lol? In hindsight signing Springer to that deal was a pretty bad risk. Was it not a "risk" to spend so much time courting Ohtani, knowing that he was most likely just going to go to the Dodgers anyway?

What was spotty about his 2023 apart from his injury? Yeah he had some outings with some wildness, but he was mowing down guys across all levels when he did actually pitch. Then he went to the AFL to conclude the season and won Pitcher of the Year. Tiedemann had a 16.31 K/9 in AA my guy. Worth noting is that hitters had a .415 BABIP against him which is an obvious fluke.

Joke inclusion. All you need as proof is to see BA's 70 grade on his FB. I looked at pretty much all of his starts on Statcast once he hit AAA. He had a very pedestrian whiff rate on his fastball, doesn't hold his velocity at all (ie: he'd routinely drop down to 92-93 after like 30 pitches), and was generally hittable. There is no chance his FB is a 70, otherwise the actual AAA performance makes no sense. This is typical failure to adjust from a prospect-writing perspective as they are cemented to back when he was hitting triple digits as a Blue Jay, so his FB "must" be a 70. Factor in the fact that he's a Dodgers prospect now and poof there is your Top 100 rating despite the fact that Frasso is old, his stuff has clearly declined, and his AAA performance isn't even impressive. I'm not making this up: after Mitch White cleared waivers and was sent back to AAA, he was actually throwing harder than Frasso AND getting more whiffs across the board.