saskjayfan

Well we will be losing something when we sign Mookie Betts to a monumental deal next year!

based on how he finished, if Paxton has a good year next year he's going get paid a high AAV and a lot of years for a pitcher turning 32.

So just so we're clear. You like the Ryu deal. If it doesn't pan out we can look back at this day and call you an idiot.

Johnson was the guy they initially targeted, but how can you say johnson who had 1 year of control was the center piece. AA gambled that he would be healthy come spring and that he would return to be an ace. He was definitely a key cog, but Reyes was close to a 6 win player in 4 of his previous 7 years and he was the glittering gold.

Reyes was the prize in the trade. We took on 92 mil for 5 years of Reyes who was 30 in the first year of that commitment and would have been 34 in his last year. The idea that you knew Reyes was going to fall apart the moment the trade was announced is laughable. Buehrle put up almost 8 wins in 3 years. We just spent 80 mil on a pitcher who will be 33 in the first year of this deal. Please state your opinion of the Ryu deal now, because it's going to be really easy to state whether it's a good deal or not 4 years from now. I personally love the Ryu deal. There's risk in taking on any big money player. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't.

A Clevinger trade starts with Pearson and either SWR or Pardinho and likely another piece. Are you really willing to make that trade? I typicall am a proponent of trading prospects, but Clevinger would cost too much even for me.

I wouldn't close the door on Price, but there's really no way of knowing if Boston would eat 25% of his salary 40% or 60% and what they might want in return depending on the salary amounts they were willing to cover.

man I just checked the schedule. Opening day is March 26. That's even earlier than last year. I'm pumped it's early again this year. Bring on the Red Sox.

I don't see atkins apologizing, but a wack load of cash should serve as a sufficient apology. It's not going to happen regardless.

If by exceptional, you mean below average centre fielder and average corner outfielder, then I agree.

Ryu surrendered the fewest walks per inning of all starters in the MLB. The guy has never relied on velocity. I think his stuff will age much better than the average pitchers stuff would. It all comes down to health. If he remains mostly healthy, I think his 4th year will be quite good.

I feel like this could be the case. I think the jays put the offer out a few days ago and boras was trying to get a match or better from someone else.

The Martin contract worked out fine. Ryu is such a brilliant signing. It's so important to have that linchpin going into next year's off season. I am truly shocked and pleased with this signing.

Eddie on the cheap is a 25 percent above league average hitter who mentors the young guys and at a reasonable cost you can flip him for something at the deadline to a contender

If they landed Ryu and signed Eddie this off season would go from a D to a B and I would start cutting this management some slack and offer some praise for the strong finish.

So who's in on Ryu. The white sox are presumably out. The twins are still there. The Angels, but with the bad luck they've had with injury prone pitchers they might not be willing to go the distance. The Dodgers are there, but I'm not so sure they will be willing to go 4 years. The Jays have reportedly made an offer and the perceived price seems to be dropping. Might the Jays actually have a shot at him?

Edwin's 2 and half years younger than Nelson Cruz. There's still time for old Eddie! I understand your sentiment, but it would be more helpful if you suggested a couple names rather than an idea.

Seems a bit spiteful..lol. This kid's only 30 years old. Can't have a ton of experience. I'm not saying he won't be good, but it's quite a young hire.

I don't know how you turn down that LA offer. You get 2 quality prospects and if Seager has a great season, you have a shot at competing. You can trade him at the deadline with a year an a half left or at the end of the season with a year left and get another haul.

So where does Lindor go if he gets traded? Will the cost be astronomically high?

Gio at 1 and 5 plus a club option for a 2nd year seems like a great deal for the Sox.

no one is giving jose 5 150. Irresponsible journalism is the cause of most of this fuss. Jose has a number he wants. He's entitled to wait. There's risk on both ends. If Jose has a great year someone will probably give him 4 100 or 5 110. The Jays will have to decide if they want to match that level of commitment. Jose and Sandoval are polar opposites. Sandoval got big years and dollars because he was young, but he does't take care of his body and his contract isn't a great one. Jose despite being old may very well keep his level of play up and earn his 4 year 90 or 100 or whatever he ends up getting. 39 no good is just the norm. Jose could be the outlier and be 39 and very good, but there's no guarantees in baseball. That's what makes it interesting. Why do you make s*** up. This is the my exact quote from Feb 23, 2016 when Bautista was coming off a 5 win season. I would have likely given him a 4 and 100, but I clearly outlayed the risks and coming off that 5 win season there were plenty of people suggesting an extension was appropriate and even a fangraphs article suggesting he was worth a 100 mil extension. You think anyone over 30 is going to be garbage. Giles isn't even 30 yet. If we signed him for his age 30, 31 and 32 seasons that would be 21, 22 and 23. Do we have no intentions of competing? Giles FIP has ranged from 1.34 to a career high of 3.08. A few years ago relievers like this were getting big AAVs and multiple years. If we are talking about risk if this off season has taught us anything it is difficult to convince guys to sign here. Giles is a guy who is already here and you can gauge if he's open to staying. Getting Paxton to sign here is going to be a monumental challenge next off season. If Pearson performs fantastic it becomes a little bit easier. If he has mixed results it becomes even harder, but you can at least sell the upside. Having an anchor to your bullpen for 3 years will make the job of selling Paxton, Odorizzi or a bauer on Toronto a hell of a lot easier. I think a 3 and 39 taking him through his age 32 season is not that unreasonable. We can trade him and get prospects, but that makes the job of making significant signings in 2021 a lot harder and you push your window to 2022.

So what did Gio sign for? Any contract details yet?

I was talking about not trading him before the deadline and making a choice to extend him or trade him at that point depending on how the team was developing. The health risks are the same, just for this year. Betances partially tore his achilles in September. That, plus the shoulder makes him a definite risk. Personally, I'd keep Giles till the deadline and sign Betances, because I'm a risk taker.

Betances missed almost the entire year with shoulder problems and then he partially tore his achilles. You guys are scared shitless of Giles health issues, but you have no worries about Betances? The guy might not even pitch in 2020.