jaysblue

Posts like these are really immature and idiotic. You're not helping the situation here as others are trying to have a reasonable discussion.

I think like you said, Gibbers has better things on his agenda than helping my DDL team. If he did, I'm sure Carlos Correa would have already been on my roster. So these claims of collusion and the both of us threatening the integrity of this league is kind of bush league if you ask me, especially after both of our track records on this forum and in other leagues. It's not like we're both just new members here. The level of anger is really overblown. If that's the case, I'll resign from all my board fantasy leagues. As for Cozart, I asked him what he wanted. In a sophisticated league with well respected posters as this one, I don't think we need our hands held when making trades. And like you've said, he probably has received very little action on Cozart to date. I've shopped guys who've had breakouts like Eddie Rosario & Lonnie Chisenhall frequently and have had no interest or PM's my way whatsoever from the other 19 teams. So if someone came in and offered me a young high upside reliever with excellent peripherals or a 1st rounder, I would likely take it without even blinking an eye. BTS kind of contradicted himself a couple of posts back when he was asking for a Top 100 guy for Givens. So if a reliever like Givens is worth a Top 100 guy, then I guess you can make an argument for Steck even if I picked him up off waivers last week. Gibbers is a prospect junkie, so he probably knew of Steck before I did. He's had a real solid career to date in the minors and has a chance to become a nice BP arm. Some guys slip through the crack all the time in 20-team leagues like this. Heck, in all my trade discussions yesterday in the LOD, mostly every team who was looking for a high pick asked me about Steck. In Miami, he now has been given the opportunity to pitch in high leverage situations, so moving forward he probably provides the same value as Givens does. Only thing Givens has is a bit of a longer track record in the Majors. So if Givens is worth a Top 100 prospect in the eyes of BTS, why is it wrong for Gibbers to view Steck as having the same value as a Top 100 guy? If that's the case, then I guess we should all rank our players/prospects according to what BTS thinks. The point I'm trying to make here is that everyone values players/pitchers/prospects differently. We shouldn't have a manager or managers determine that value for others when it comes to trades/FA acquisitions/draft picks etc. None of us need to be babied or told what to do. Not everyone is easy to get a hold of. Sammy doesn't even respond to trade proposals over Yahoo and lets them expire and rarely replies to PM's. So thats why I hardly ever look to him when trying to make a trade because I know its difficult to get a hold of him and I don't have the time to sit around and wait for a week or 10 days etc. I don't have an issue with that, though just building off with what Hurl said, we all have managers that we communicate/talk with more than others. I'll probably chat with Gibbers, CatAss, you, the Hurl, Dinger, P2F, Jays4Life etc. when its comes to trades more than others since I know how to get a hold of him and usually get a swift response. Aside from that, Tulo is also going GP's way. I'm sure other managers will laugh, though I doubt any one of the 18 managers would have traded Tulo for Cozart prior to the 2017 season. Like you said, it's not like Cozart isn't a spring chicken. The guy is 32 and the likelihood of him hitting this way next season or for the next 2-3 years are very slim.

I don't have a problem with your trade that you made and I don't care. You're a responsible poster on this board who can manage his own team. I was just using it as an example since it was ok for you to criticize and nitpick my previous trades with GP, then I guess other trades are fair game as well. And what I said about you, I think I can speak to the other 19 managers in this league and others. We're all responsible and well respected posters on here who can manage our own teams. We've never had a problem with collusion or questioning the integrity of others and we don't have a problem with that.

Haha I'm a six time champ? I wish. I've only won that league twice.

Seriously, just stop it BTS. Aiming pretty low right now!

And to think Kyle Hendricks was going to pitch like a Top 10 pitcher with his stuff moving forward was kind of a bit optimistic. Great time to sell by the other team!

Really? I guess I owe all my DDL success to Gibbers at this point.

He was pretty good in 2013 and at his age looked like one of the younger promising pitchers coming up in baseball moving forward. He took some steps back in 2014, though I'm sure he wasn't the only young arm in baseball ever to do so. Sanchez has had his problems this season with blisters and inconsistencies, so I guess he should be considered not good moving forward as well?

So its ok for you to gamble on Puig cashing in on all that talent, though for Gibbers to gamble on Myers wasn't? As for Diaz, he did fall of a cliff. Could the same happen to Cozart who is playing well above his career norms? For sure. Again, not trying to get into a heated argument with you. Just having discussion.

I think Steck and Givens are pretty much a wash moving forward this season TBH. Steck is now pitching in higher leverage situations, has a higher K rate and with the Marlins BP relying on Ziegler as their closer and with Barraclough on the DL still, Steck might get some save opportunities possibly.

Didn't you trade Carlos Correa for Yasiel Puig (when his value was at an all-time low) and Kyle Hendricks? If you're criticizing my previous deals, I'd like to see you defend that one.

How so? Castro sucked for all those years I owned him just prior to this season. Miller actually had a solid season with Atlanta after in 2015 and I remember even that season you were even questioning me as to why I was still rostering Castro!

I guess we should stop Boxy from making trades, because people have been feasting off him for years as well. Not sure whats bad about the Osuna deal. Weaver should be a decent SP in the NL and he did get my 1st/2nd/3rd round picks + my 1st and 2nd waiver draft picks next February. I gave up a lot in that deal & basically handcuffed myself.

Myers came off a season in which he won AL ROY with Tampa. He also got Profar (who at the time was still considered a top prospect and former No. 1 prospect in all of baseball). Marte was traded for Odorizzi (who looks like a pretty solid SP to me) and for Andrew Heaney (who was highly touted at the time and has actually pitched well when he was healthy). I even remember when I traded Shelby Miller to him for Starlin Castro a couple of years ago, you were even criticizing that deal FFS.

Go back and review those trades and tell me how they were completely lopsided.

Possibility of collusion given the history? What past deals have lead you to that assumption?

I guess I could shop Eddie Rosario & Lonnie Chisenhall since they're having breakouts as well and play CF?

Name me some other questionable moves? This rhetoric about Gibbers hand feeding is kind of overblown if you ask me.

Deal involves Tulo as well.

To Georgia Peach: RP Drew Steckenrider 4th 5th To Me: Zach Cozart

Having a middle-of-the-order featuring Donaldson, Stanton and Smoak in 2018 would be f***ing sweet.

Plus in the AL, always have the option to DH him in his late 30's. Could still end up being productive like David Ortiz or Nelson Cruz as a DH in the last 4-5 years of his deal. I'm not worried about the money TBH. He likely gets a similar contract as a FA, maybe with 1-2 less years. Otherwise, when you factor inflation like you said, $25-28M AAV won't seem that expensive.

Would the Marlins be in a position to demand guys like Vladdy/Bichette and Stroman though? I would be willing to deal someone like an Aaron Sanchez (who is a Boras client) and the Jays likely know that he'll be going to free agency regardless so the chances of signing him to a team friendly extension are probably moot at this point.

Was contemplating picking him up the other day actually haha.

https://sports.yahoo.com/free-giancarlo-stanton-marlins-need-trade-baseballs-home-run-king-133231299.html Shocking if its true. Blue Jays might be in a good position here based on their current position in the standings. They need a RF and Stanton would be a huge add to this lineup moving forward. Looks like the Marlins want to rid themselves of salary. You know the Yankees are going to add one or both Harper or Machado after 2018, and the Red Sox have a solid young nucleus of superstar talent. Stanton is type of player the Jays need to remain relevant in the AL East for the next 4-5 years.